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??? ... Did I misread, or are you paraphrasing what Dean Obeidallah actually said? Because the words I saw were ... I don't see how any part of that observation constitutes "living in fantasy land." Sure, some folks may watch the Roseanne reboot because of her bigotry, or because they take pleasure in muddle-headed loudmouths, or because they don't care (or maybe haven't paid attention to) her political views ... or because of better aspects of her show. But it is no fantasy that others will be disgusted by her and stay away, no fantasy that corporations have grown much more sensitive about their affiliations, no fantasy that consumer boycotts and/or public outcry have influenced stores removing products, networks removing anchors, actors losing jobs, famous assholes being banished to PariahLand.

Add me to the list of those who refuse to watch her show. (Even if I enjoyed the original. Even if I admire some of the actors involved.) I can't agree with those who say it's "just television" and, so, are willing to give this despicable woman a pass on all the fake news, utter stupidity and naked hate she spews. Dean Obeidallah mentions some of what she's said in the article below. It should disgust us all. What 'Roseanne' better worry about By Dean Obeidallah, CNN, Sunday, April 1 ... Trump and Barr have much in common when it comes to spewing bigotry and intolerance. What is surprising is the apparent blind eye turned by the people who have brought us this "rebooted" Roseanne -- a decision that ABC may regret. Times are different from what they were when Trump got elected. There was no #MeToo movement, no Women's March, no teens leading an awe-inspiring charge against gun violence. The passivity from many voters that allowed Trump to get elected, even as he said terrible things about many Americans, has given way to a new energy and activism. In today's America, nothing is immune from politics, and it's quite possible that even a series with a successful rollout cannot escape that. Like her eponymous show, Barr's history of bigotry is now in a new spotlight. And many will not tolerate her rhetorical kinship with the President. To begin: Barr has repeatedly shared inflammatory views about Muslims. One of her retweets equated Islam with Nazism, saying both want "world domination" and the "destruction of all Jews," according to an account last year in the Daily Beast. (Some of the tweets have since been deleted, but screengrabs can be found on several news sites.) Barr has also tweeted about what she calls "Islamic rape pedo culture," and retweeted memes that gin up fear of Muslims. Like Trump, Barr has also used Twitter to viciously go after those she perceives as enemies, even if the allegations aren't true. For example, Barr tweeted in 2016 that then-Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin, who is Muslim and at the time was married to Anthony Weiner, was a "Jew hater," adding, "hillary clinton's handler huma weiner is a filthy nazi whore." And Barr, like Trump, shares an affinity for the conspiracy-loving Alex Jones -- the man who claimedthat the 2012 Sandy Hook massacre, which left 20 school children dead, was a "hoax." Trump appeared on Jones' show during the 2016 presidential campaign and, according to Roger Stone -- Trump's former political strategist and a campaign adviser -- the two speak on the phone from time to time. Barr also appeared on Jones' , and has shared tweets from his Infowars website, including retweeting his claim that "5.7 million illegals" voted in the 2016 presidential election -- her apparent effort to explain why Trump lost the popular vote. The "Roseanne" star has also been accused of spewing transphobic comments on Twitter. Even Barr's recent responses to charges of such bigotry have a familiar Trump-like ring to them, one Americans have had to get used to over the past 13 months of this presidency. When asked by a reporter for USA today about accusations that she is transphobic or anti-Muslim, Barr responded "it's easy for people to attack." She then added, "I don't care. Just spell my name right." Truly, Barr and Trump are a couple made in bigotry heaven. ... [but] in an election, people can vote for who they want anonymously -- there is no personal brand you need to think about protecting when you throw the lever in a voting booth. In the corporate world, your decision has a different meaning. Does the network -- which is a part of Disney -- want to be associated with a person with Barr's history? Will Disney shareholders -- will its advertisers -- want it? It is surprising that the network, which has just renewed Barr's show for a second season, has not voiced concerns over its star's history of hate. Sure, the ratings were great for the show -- Trump's widely publicized call undoubtedly will help. But it is deeply disturbing that ABC has been silent on Barr's views. By either pretending they are not there, or worse, are harmless, the network abets the distortion of American norms of decency; it normalizes them -- as does Trump's praising Barr without any reservations. In today's America, where activism is on the rise -- Black Lives Matter, immigrant rights, protests against gun violence -- ABC shouldn't be surprised if it sees a boycott of the show, targeting advertisers to take a stand on Barr. Trump and ABC executives may not care about Barr's past views, but I'll bet advertisers will.

Poor Lorna. Always playing third fiddle to Judy and Liza. Tacked on to a 12-year-old thread about her big sister instead of getting one of her own. And a brain tumor. Jeez.

I agree about the closed casket (if there's to be any visitation at all). To me, an open casket "viewing" is the weirdest of all funeral customs. As to my "remains," I have long said that I'd prefer cremation, but I might consider green burial. Being a tree in my next life doesn't sound so bad.

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I have no information about either RexB or DeepSouthDad53, but the one person I know who became a "Guest" on this site did so at his request. He initially asked for his account to be deleted and was informed by the administrator that this isn't done. Instead, he was converted to "Guest" status, meaning that his existing posts now carry that designation and his Profile Page is gone (or inaccessible). (There are also many posters designated as "Guests" in the very oldest threads on the site, so my guess is that -- probably during some site update -- a number of them who hadn't contributed in years were converted to that status.) I don't think that's generally how people who are timed-out or banished from the site are handled. One of the more infamous of The Banished is still listed as a "Viscount" (although his Profile Page is unavailable) and there are other posters with the punitive designation "Time-out" (also with unavailable Profile Pages).

The Sinister Influence of Charles Manson By Jeffrey Toobin, The New Yorker, November 20, 2017 The trial of O. J. Simpson took place in the charmless Los Angeles Criminal Courts Building, on West Temple Street, in 1995. When court broke for the day, those of us who covered the trial would walk out the front door and stare at the empty hulk across the street—the Hall of Justice, which had been built in 1925 but was damaged in an earthquake, and stood unoccupied and abandoned. Still, in some way, we knew that our work had been invented in that crumbling structure, because that’s where the trial of Charles Manson took place. Manson died on Sunday—remarkably, he was eighty-three years old. His era had long passed by the time of his death, but his legacy was surprisingly durable. In media, in criminal law, and in popular culture, Manson created a template that, for better or worse, is still familiar today. Manson’s name is virtually synonymous with mass murder, so for people who are only vaguely aware of his story it often comes as a surprise to learn that he never killed anyone. In the late nineteen-sixties, he was the leader of a cult called the Family—the trial ushered in the wide use of the term “cult,” to note one example of Manson’s broad influence. Based on a ranch in the desert outside Los Angeles, Manson exercised mesmerizing power over a small band of followers. On the night of August 8, 1969, Charles (Tex) Watson and three women, acting on Manson’s direction, went to the Hollywood Hills home of Sharon Tate, an actress who was eight and a half months pregnant, and slaughtered her and four of her friends. Two nights later, at a house in a different Los Angeles neighborhood, the same quartet, this time joined by two more Family members and Manson, killed Leno and Rosemary LaBianca. (Manson left before the murders were committed.) Manson and his followers were arrested some weeks later (on suspicion of stealing cars), and it took some time not only for police to connect them to the murders but even for the two sets of killings to be linked to each other. Manson’s trial in the Tate case began in June, 1970. The case was a media spectacle; although cameras were not allowed in courtrooms at that time, it helped create the demand for them. Manson had a dark charisma, and he enjoyed the attention. The trial was such a sensation that President Richard Nixon pronounced Manson guilty before the jury had gone out; the judge declined a request for a mistrial. (This anticipated President Donald Trump’s public condemnation of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, before his court martial for desertion was over.) But it was really in the aftermath of the trial that the case, and Manson himself, became fixed in the public imagination. Vincent Bugliosi, the lead prosecutor, wrote an account of it, called “Helter Skelter,”after the Beatles song that Manson said had served as his inspiration. The book helped create the true-crime genre, which remains a publishing institution. The Manson “Family” both anticipated and inspired the growth of sinister cults in American life, especially in California. In the decade that followed the Manson murders, the Symbionese Liberation Army kidnapped Patty Hearst, in Berkeley, and Jim Jones’s Peoples Temple, in San Francisco, transfixed supporters, more than nine hundred of whom committed mass suicide in Guyana. Before Manson, it was more or less a given that criminals chose to associate with one another in gangs or in crime families. But Manson told the world that people became criminals through the influence of others as well. Our fascination with Stockholm syndrome and brainwashing owes much to what the world saw in the Manson case. The Hall of Justice reopened a few years ago, after a thorough renovation. Many who practice in its courtrooms today were not even born when Manson stood trial. But, whether they know it or not, the lawyers there, and the journalists who follow them, are working in the long shadow of the man who just died.

Don't miss this piece on Joni Mitchell in the November 2017 issue of The Atlantic ... https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/the-unknowable-joni-mitchell/540618/ " ...Mitchell turns 74 this month, and may or may not make music again. She will almost certainly never seek out the Boomer-in-winter adulation that has proved so lucrative for many of her contemporaries. Nor does she need to. Her influence on popular music is staggering, heard in artists ranging from Taylor Swift to Frank Ocean to James Blake to Lorde. And it is only growing. “I am a lonely painter / I live in a box of paints,” Mitchell sang in “A Case of You” nearly 50 years ago. The box is still hers, but today we all live there."

From Movieline.com (2011): Mr. Yunioshi is shocking to behold. To say the character and performance don't hold up today is an understatement; at the time the caricature may have been accepted and written off as merely colorful comedic slapstick, but many decades of social progression later, it's clearly downright racist. "Miss Go-right-ry!" Rooney calls to Hepburn, affecting an outlandishly extreme "Asian" accent. With his gnarly prosthetic teeth, slicked back hair, Coke-bottle glasses and squinty eyes, he's an uncanny personification of WWII-era anti-Japanese propaganda cartoons. He's skeevy to boot; the film mines laughs out of his features, accent and behavior, not to mention Holly's efforts to shrug off Yunioshi's efforts to get her upstairs into his apartment for a private photography session. It may have been just another blip in a long history of movies featuring insulting ethnic stereotypes, but in the middle of an otherwise lovely film it became one of the more cutting examples of institutionalized racism in Hollywood.

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