+ glutes Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Never ever pay someone in advance of even meeting them. ketut, Wanderoz, peter831 and 20 others 8 2 5 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastBtm Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Ensure mutual expectations on safe sex, drug use, behavior in public places, sexual dos and don'ts, and travel costs are conversations that happen BEFORE any meeting. deepsf, peter831, lonely_john and 11 others 8 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattlebottom Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 I've found that guys who are into PNP are not dependable. For example, IF they show they won't be able to perform. Self identified gay guys don't guarantee you a good time. raife, peter831, Danny-Darko and 6 others 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaboom35 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 If they are hosting, confirm if they live alone or have roommates. I can’t even tell you the amount of roommate awkward situations I have been in. Cliff, + glutes, Monarchy79 and 15 others 6 1 1 5 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ azdr0710 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 in pre-meet communication, tell the provider that.... 1. you are an honest person and will pay for his time at the end of the meeting 2. you do not want to talk about money at the meeting and than ask him to confirm this is ok...... you may have to flash the cash or similar at the beginning, I suppose, but always keep the money in your control (or in view in your wallet over there in your pants on the floor!)....... msclwrsper, ICTJOCK, ketut and 5 others 4 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carp86 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) My worst experience was being greeted upon arrival with some rant about how people don't do cash anymore (before meeting I have asked whether Zelle or Venmo could work, to which he said yes), followed by him demanding Zelle payment before anything happened. I wished I had run away. His whole demeanor in those initial 3 minutes were enough red flags to foreshadow the waste of money this was going to be. I should have left... but didn't. I regret it to this day. My worst experience to date. Edited November 4, 2021 by carp86 + glutes, HoseMaster, xyz48B and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epigonos Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) Don' take for certain ANYTHING you read on rentmen. ----- vet, Vet, VET. research, Research, RESEARCH. Edited November 4, 2021 by Epigonos Luvfurrytops, jgoo, lonely_john and 12 others 11 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ glutes Posted November 4, 2021 Author Share Posted November 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Epigonos said: Don' take for certain ANYTHING you read on rentmen. ----- vet, Vet, VET. research, Research, RESEARCH. due diligence NOUN 1Law Reasonable steps taken by a person in order to satisfy a legal requirement, especially in buying or selling something. ‘If trading is carried on, however, there is a duty to manage with due diligence in doing so.’ HoseMaster, ICTJOCK and harlow 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeezifonly Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Remember, he is offering time in exchange for payment. Expectations of anything beyond sharing time in the same space can lead to disappointment. I always bring some knitting just in case - that way it’s only money being wasted 🤓 + KensingtonHomo, claym, Cruiser7 and 11 others 1 1 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ lookingforfunny Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 5 hours ago, azdr0710 said: in pre-meet communication, tell the provider that.... 1. you are an honest person and will pay for his time at the end of the meeting 2. you do not want to talk about money at the meeting and than ask him to confirm this is ok...... you may have to flash the cash or similar at the beginning, I suppose, but always keep the money in your control (or in view in your wallet over there in your pants on the floor!)....... This is a smart suggestion. Thank you @azdr0710 I have not booked in a while, because this continues to come up. I feel as if I have missed a change in protocol. Mostly, in secondary markets. I find that providers are requesting advance payment or prior to the start of the meeting. I do not know of anyone who agrees with this method who also has a success story to share, afterwards. + glutes and ICTJOCK 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ bashful Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Providers are people. Some days are better than others. lonely_john, Whippoorwill, jtwalker and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiser7 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 On 11/4/2021 at 5:20 PM, carp86 said: My worst experience was being greeted upon arrival with some rant about how people don't do cash anymore (before meeting I have asked whether Zelle or Venmo could work, to which he said yes), followed by him demanding Zelle payment before anything happened. Does Zelle offer anonymity? I know from personal experience Venmo doesn’t. I used it once with a provider and was mortified when he said “Got it. You’re [my full real name], right?” Won’t use Venmo anymore until they change that. + KensingtonHomo and Spiritualadvisor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MikeThomas Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Cruiser7 said: Does Zelle offer anonymity? I know from personal experience Venmo doesn’t. I used it once with a provider and was mortified when he said “Got it. You’re [my full real name], right?” Won’t use Venmo anymore until they change that. Unless you set your privacy settings properly, Venmo will also share your transaction details with other Venmo users you are friends with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ DrownedBoy Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 If you agree on a price, but the provider asks for more money later, cancel immediately. Cliff, HoseMaster, peter831 and 8 others 2 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carp86 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 6 hours ago, Cruiser7 said: Does Zelle offer anonymity? I know from personal experience Venmo doesn’t. I used it once with a provider and was mortified when he said “Got it. You’re [my full real name], right?” Won’t use Venmo anymore until they change that. No, it doesn't. It was my first time using Zelle and I was also annoyed at that. In Venmo I only use my initials, and all transactions are set to private. Whippoorwill and Cruiser7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MscleLovr Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 When I hired, I always kept in mind CAVEAT EMPTOR. So, as @Epigonos and @glutes suggested, I always checked every detail ahead of a possible date. I also insisted on checking the two of us were compatible by saying how limited my skills in bed were (“I’m only a top, and I’m selfish and lazy”) and saying precisely what I enjoy (“I need you to suck me off to completion”). As a result, some hirings never resulted in a date. But overall, my success rate was high. Over the years, I only had dates with 2 scammers who obviously just wanted to get paid the maximum for doing the minimum. ketut and tenderloin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ glutes Posted November 6, 2021 Author Share Posted November 6, 2021 Age-shavers are my pet peeve. What I do with a suspected liar, I ask them what year they were born. As soon as they hesitate or stumble, you know you've caught them. Pd1_jap, + Pensant, xyz48B and 2 others 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckguy Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Repeated changes in appt. time, esp. if it’s more than an hour. ketut, + MakeMeCowboy, + bashful and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coriolis888 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) On 11/4/2021 at 4:57 PM, jeezifonly said: Remember, he is offering time in exchange for payment. Expectations of anything beyond sharing time in the same space can lead to disappointment. I always bring some knitting just in case - that way it’s only money being wasted 🤓 Is the provider really exchanging only "time" for the money he will be paid? I think we all know the foolish term of "time" is used only because of possible law enforcement entrapment reasons. In real life, we know why clients contact providers and vice-versa. Too bad that "honesty is the best policy" cannot apply to escorting. Edited November 6, 2021 by coriolis888 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeezifonly Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, coriolis888 said: Is the provider really exchanging only "time" for the money he will be paid? I think we all know the foolish term of "time" is used only because of possible law enforcement entrapment reasons. In real life, we know why clients contact providers and vice-versa. Too bad that "honesty is the best policy" cannot apply to escorting. It’s relevant only if you and provider have some sort of misunderstanding about the how much, the how long, the goings-on. Pro’s obligation is time for fee, client’s obligation is fee for time. It’s gray (ymmv) outside of those two quantifiable bits. Code violations are what they are, (until they’re not, which can be hoped for). Civil disagreements must be settled privately. By which I mean, on Twitter. 😱🤑 + bashful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiser7 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 20 hours ago, carp86 said: No, it doesn't. It was my first time using Zelle and I was also annoyed at that. In Venmo I only use my initials, and all transactions are set to private. Thanks for the tip. I didn’t know that was possible. I’ll check into that. Whippoorwill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rand Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 On 11/6/2021 at 6:03 AM, Cruiser7 said: Does Zelle offer anonymity? I know from personal experience Venmo doesn’t. I used it once with a provider and was mortified when he said “Got it. You’re [my full real name], right?” Won’t use Venmo anymore until they change that. You can change your name in Venmo to anything you like. Literally. Zelle works about the same but with even less anonymity and less control over your data being shared. Cruiser7 and Whippoorwill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ ButchAtl Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 19 hours ago, buckguy said: Repeated changes in appt. time, esp. if it’s more than an hour. I understand things can happen at the last minute, but I get a little leery when I have an appointment scheduled with a provider for a time, and get a text (usually about 45 minutes or so before the time), asking can we change it to xxx time, usually 30-60 minutes later. I immediately get the sense he's trying to squeeze in another appointment, which irritates me. Its especially annoying when I am already on the way to the meeting. Most recently, I've simply declined the change only to find, all of a sudden, the original time is fine. Thoughts? + MakeMeCowboy, xyz48B, claym and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiser7 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 18 hours ago, Rand said: You can change your name in Venmo to anything you like. Literally. Zelle works about the same but with even less anonymity and less control over your data being shared. Thank you, @Rand. I did it this weekend, changed the name. I had no idea and wish I knew that ahead of time. Whippoorwill and Rand 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MscleLovr Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 21 hours ago, ButchAtl said: I get a little leery when I have an appointment scheduled with a provider…and get a text…asking can we change it to xxx time, usually 30-60 minutes later. …Its especially annoying when I am already on the way to the meeting. Most recently, I've simply declined the change only to find, all of a sudden, the original time is fine. I had that happen to me 2x over the years. Once I was accommodating and the eventual date was so-so. With the second man, I took your approach @ButchAtl and said ‘if you have to postpone, I understand but I’ll have to see you another day’…and as you related, suddenly it was fine to go ahead as planned and we had a good date. Pd1_jap and claym 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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