minimal expectations

[BigD]

Do you agree with my list of minimal expectations from the escort?

1) Charge a fair market rate based on what you have to offer.

2) Show up. No excuse not to unless you are hospitalized.

3) Be on time. No excuse not to.

4) Turn your cell phone off. How rude to take calls on my time.

5) It has to get hard. No excuse not to.

6) Be able to cum if I want you to; I'll let you know.

7) Don't call me more than once to ask if I want you to come back.

Are any of these unfair?

[basket]

It seems to me that number two should be number one.

[SAdler]

Since on a daily basis I appear to be digging my grave deeper and deeper, I figured I'd take the shovel two more feet before I started to claw my way up.

 

I admit that some of my recent posts have been filled with emotion and slightly unfair at times and I will be apologizing/explaining them accordingly after the 4th. This was referred to me and I couldn't help but respond IMMEDIATELY.

 

While some of the "expectations" are valid, others are QUITE out of left field and again completely selfish. While I understand your thoughts that you are paying for a service (being us), we are people too and should be treated as such. There are also minimal expectations that we have that are rarely met. If you want to impose rules on us, perhaps you should hear some of what we would like to see happening as well.

 

>1) Charge a fair market rate based on what you have to offer.

 

Market based rate. I'm not starting another escort fees thread within here. The point is, if you have a certain price, look for someone you can afford. Does Gucci charge the same thing for a T-Shirt that Hanes does? Hell no. Do they do it? Yes. There is no market, this is PURELY based on each escort's individual value.

 

>2) Show up. No excuse not to unless you are hospitalized.

 

Well there are MANY excuses beside hospitalizations. Perhaps a death in the family. Think outside the BODY. An escort that doesn't show up and doesn't CANCEL is QUITE another story. Being courteous and calling to cancel is quite valid, perhaps the clients of America should take a cue from that.

 

>3) Be on time. No excuse not to.

 

Have you ever lived in LA or New York? I guarantee you traffic is one of MANY EXCUSES that are valid. I'd love to discuss some of the ones I've heard

 

>4) Turn your cell phone off. How rude to take calls on my

>time.

 

Yes and no. Taking calls regularly is quite rude and completely unforgiveable. Leaving your phone on vibrate and discreetly looking to see if it's an important call is perfectly fine. As long as answering doesn't become a habit. If my mother calls and I don't answer I'm assumed dead or in jail. Have you had a Jewish mother?

 

>5) It has to get hard. No excuse not to.

 

Yes and no. This will go to certain points I bring up in the Ten Client Commandments. There are MANY clients that provide their working boys with a viagra when they walk in. I'm not saying it's a requirement but I'm sure you've tried to get hard and had a fluke day? I'm happy to send you my paper on Male Prostitution and Performance Anxiety if you'd like to read something academic

 

>6) Be able to cum if I want you to; I'll let you know.

 

I agree. Some escorts will hate me for that. With the exception of not getting hard, if you can get hard and have came so many times in one day then I would be a little annoyed. Not being hard is a general fluke. Being hard but not cumming is just working/playing too much. I only see one person per day max and I try not to hookup/jerk off before a client. It's part of the service. But really in the lng run what matters is the client cumming.

 

>7) Don't call me more than once to ask if I want you to come

>back.

 

I didn't realize it was our job to ever call you! LOL. But yeah, I've never called a client, I've waited for them to call me. Guys who do that are probably just a little money hungry. The only contact I have with a new client after we meet is to thank them for a good time (if it was).

 

now for the TEN CLIENT COMMANDMENTS:

 

I. Thou shalt have good hygeine

II. Thou shalt be on time

III. To thine own self keep thy hands and be discreet in public places

IV. Thou shalt not attempt to milk every last drop figuratively and literally

V. Thou shalt not call me outside of NORMAL hours

VI. Thou shalt cancel or notify as soon as a problem arises

VII. Thou shalt have the money on the table and/or visible and available.

VIII. Mine dick after an orgasm is sensitive, please don’t think its name is Bessie.

IX. The phrases “no” and “I’m not into that” MEAN what they say.

X. Thou shalt understand before and respect the rates after without attempts to bargain.

 

I’m happy to explain ANY of them if they need to be clarified but I actually have to run now and wanted to get this up  Again, my last post was somewhat misconstrued. This isn’t meant to OFFEND anyone, this is just saying this is sometimes a common problem. Unless it’s been addressed with you as a client you probably don’t have anything to worry about.

[BobbyThompson]

Ok, my expectations for clients:

1) For visitors to LA. Check out the traffic report on the 405 at 5pm. I'm late because of the three car pile-up and not because I was at home watching Buffy and eating potato chips.

2) Brush your teeth and wash yourself. Seriously.

3) Don't send one sentence emails lacking any respect for grammar and the written word. For example, "Looking for hot btm for hr. What r u in2? rate?" These get a laugh and go straight into the trashbin.

4) Don't complain if escorts charge more than you would like them to. Just don't hire them.

5) Stop calling me from blocked phone numbers. I *promise* not to call you everyday and ask how your day went at work.

6) Don't make an appointment with me that you aren't at least 90% sure that you can keep, and I will do the same.

7) Men4RentNow browsers: When you call last-minute and I say that I'm busy tonight, don't respond with, "What, do you have a client already?" If I say that I have a test to study for tomorrow, don't say, "Are you sure you can't come by for just an hour?" It's offensive. I know it's a surprise, but escorts don't spend their entire lives in their apartments waiting for client emails and phone calls. We're not escorting-machines. We have friends and responibilities that we value.

8) Pllllease don't call at 3 a.m. and expect me not to grunt and throw the phone at the wall.

9) Kissing should be a dance and not an attack. Don't try and eat my face.

10) Understand my sense of humor.

 

Toodles.

Bobby Thompson

http://www.AllAboutBobby.com

[guptasa1]

My opinion:

 

1) Charge a fair market rate based on what you have to offer.

 

I think an escort should be able to charge whatever he wants given he follows through with what he promises. After all, if it's too high, clients won't see him. So I think that more or less ends up resolving itself.

 

 

2) Show up. No excuse not to unless you are hospitalized.

 

I'd agree with this for the most part. I think things do come up where an escort can't see the client (family/friend hurt, etc.), but I think it's only right the escort notify the client ASAP and do everything he can to make it right.

 

 

3) Be on time. No excuse not to.

 

I agree with this, unless again something comes up where they couldn't help being a bit late. People do get lost, traffic problems can happen, etc. But I think it's only right to notify the client if at all possible if you are running late.

 

 

4) Turn your cell phone off. How rude to take calls on my time.

 

Agreed.

 

 

5) It has to get hard. No excuse not to.

 

Escorts can have bad nights I'm sure, and as long as they tried to make me happy, I wouldn't personally hold this against them, though I might not see them again either. Obviously it's awesome when they get hard. lol.

 

 

6) Be able to cum if I want you to; I'll let you know.

 

Same as #5, but I definitely prefer it. =oP

 

 

7) Don't call me more than once to ask if I want you to come back.

Are any of these unfair?

 

I wouldn't mind this unless they become a pest (and in that case I'd ask them to kindly not call). I actually like to keep in contact with the guys I enjoy spending time with though as long as it's reasonable.

 

Just my two cents.

[JT Brooklyn]

What are the "Expectations" After your "Minimal List"? Doesn't Sound like "Sexy with a Personality" is on your List? As far as #7 Goes, at least in my Experiences in NYC..I have never been "Contacted" about Future Hookups After the Fact! :+

[BigD]

"While I understand your thoughts that you are paying for a service (being us), we are people too and should be treated as such".

 

I want to respond to this statement. I for one am very sensitive to the needs of the escorts I see. I treat them with respect because I have a great respect for their work. It adds significantly to my well being. My post was prompted because I want to be treated as "people" too. More often than not, my respect is met with respect and I have good relationships with several escorts. However, recently, an escort I had been seing weekly for about 3 months called 15 minutes after our appt to tell me he was running late, that a friend had dropped by and they started drinking and the "time just flew by" and before he knew it he had forgotton our date!!! He said he could be over in about an hour!! I told him not to bother and he just cooly stated I should call him when I wanted to reschedule. Yeah! So after that experience, I emailed a new escort and after a few exchanges we set a date. He was a no show. Never called. Foolishly, I called him and he said he had forgotten and wanted to know if I wanted to reschedule. Yeah! All of the other things have happened to me before. And has for # 7, both of these characters have called back wanting to know when I wanted to see them. Give me a break - I am a person too!

[Guest 2004]

>

>>1) Charge a fair market rate based on what you have to

>offer.

>

>Market based rate. I'm not starting another escort fees

>thread within here. The point is, if you have a certain

>price, look for someone you can afford. Does Gucci charge the

>same thing for a T-Shirt that Hanes does? Hell no. Do they

>do it? Yes. There is no market, this is PURELY based on each

>escort's individual value.

 

Actually there is a market. Your statement in factually incorrect. Also, there is a fair market value for escort prices. Paying too much is stupid. If an escort is as valuable as he thinks he is then he should not be offended if a client elects to negotiate his rate. Does Gucci become upsetif you feel his T-shirts are too expensive?

 

 

>>4) Turn your cell phone off. How rude to take calls on my

>>time.

>

>Yes and no. Taking calls regularly is quite rude and

>completely unforgiveable. Leaving your phone on vibrate and

>discreetly looking to see if it's an important call is

>perfectly fine. As long as answering doesn't become a habit.

>If my mother calls and I don't answer I'm assumed dead or in

>jail. Have you had a Jewish mother?

 

I'm wondering how many people who work for any company of size are allowed to leave their cell phone on and take calls as they wish, any? Turn your fucking cell phone off. Mommy is tougher than you think.

 

>

>>5) It has to get hard. No excuse not to.

>

>Yes and no. This will go to certain points I bring up in the

>Ten Client Commandments. There are MANY clients that provide

>their working boys with a viagra when they walk in. I'm not

>saying it's a requirement but I'm sure you've tried to get

>hard and had a fluke day? I'm happy to send you my paper on

>Male Prostitution and Performance Anxiety if you'd like to

>read something academic

 

If you need viagra to get hard buy your own. Why should the client provide it? After all he is paying the escort an amount of money to perform, if he can't do the trick without tools then bring them with him.

 

>>7) Don't call me more than once to ask if I want you to come

>>back.

>

>I didn't realize it was our job to ever call you! LOL.

 

It isn't your job and you know this. However too many escorts will continue to call a client more times than is appropriate.

 

>now for the TEN CLIENT COMMANDMENTS:

>

>I. Thou shalt have good hygeine

>II. Thou shalt be on time

 

Wait a minute have you ever been in the traffic in LA or NYC? Didn't you remark above that it isn't always possible to be on time yet the client should be?

 

>V. Thou shalt not call me outside of NORMAL hours

 

Where do YOU list your "NORMAL hours?" If they are not listed somehwere how is a client to know what they are?

 

.

>X. Thou shalt understand before and respect the rates after

>without attempts to bargain.

 

If I'm in the mood to bargin I do so. If you or Gucci become offended then maybe you're in the wrong business. Also, how can one understand YOUR rates when you don't list them and only spring them upon the client AFTER you have met?

 

---/

Some have said I'm so yesterday.

[noviceny]

Now this is a good thread !!!

 

About clients :

 

1) Shit guys, are we really not bathing or brushing our teeth before an encounter ???!!! That is fucken nasty, but it also makes me laugh and feel bad for the escorts that have to deal with that...I cant believe that people who come dirty to an appointment are not mentally disturbed.

 

2) The thing about dick sensitivity is so true !!! How disturbing that someone would continue to play with the head after an ejaculation. I had to tell 2 escorts the same thing...One said, "but I like it" and the other one thankfully stopped when I removed his hand. Love the penis, do not manhandle it !!

 

3) As for time, well being a little late is always acceptable in my book for the escort. I could care less if someone arrives 15 minutes late. I try to always be on time, but it would be great if someone is late for under 15 minutes, that there would be a grace period. Everyone has problems with arriving late and even early...would be nice if we could be a bit more forgiving to each other.

 

I agree with the rest of Scott's commandments...

 

Bobby's Expectations :

 

1) I am rarely late even by a few minutes for an escort, but I am often late for meeting friends cause of Charmed, Angel or Buffy...even Growing Up Gotti or Dog the Bounty Hunter can fuck up my plans

 

2)Again, poor hygiene has got to be a huge turn off and a sign of mental instability

 

3) I think Ive cancelled one appointment that I had with an escort (Talvin DeMaccio) about 2 days in advance...definitely agree to cancel if necessary but not to schedule unless certain

 

4) I just wont initiate kissing...its very intimate to me and I dont want to force that on someone...

 

5) The emails that I take the most time with are ones to escorts. They never include things like..do u give head ? looking for later...how much u cost ?

 

 

For myself, I dont care if the escort gets hard or cums, unless they want to...I can see it being a deal breaker for others though

[N.N.]

>Leaving your phone on vibrate and

>discreetly looking to see if it's an important call is

>perfectly fine.

 

If it's just an hour or two, I appreciate when an escort

can keep their attention on just the two of us.

 

In ancient times (30 years ago) people managed to live

without cell phones.

 

 

>But really in the lng run

>what matters is the client cumming.

 

It kills me when an escort tells the client what really matters.

[UDH]

I do not brush (immediately) before meeting an escort ~ and before you all say "oh disgusting", let me say I use mouth wash and mints, brushing and flossing is done hours before.

My logic and (believe) have read somewhere that you should not brush or floss before sex as they may cause micro abrasions to your gums which could lead to possible HIV transmission.

 

For the record I do take a shower before meeting and trim the hair in my ears!

:+ :+

[Zippy]

People who venture into what's supposed to be a fun, and fairly spontaneous meeting with too many expectations are bound to be disappointed. It sounds to me like many of you would be better off simply not hiring. That is the only way to guarantee that you won't be disappointed with the outcome.

[DelawareGuy]

I think Zippy makes an excellent point. I long ago gave up on having too many expectations. Many of the items discussed here (cleanliness, promptness, etc) are merely indications of courtesy and politeness. I liken the hiring experience to picking up someone in a bar or club: You can go home with the hottest guy there and the sex may be only so-so. However, that ordinary-looking guy sitting at the end of the bar might very well rock your world.

 

So, I guess my only real expectation is that there will be sex. If it's good, I'll meet him again. At least with an escort (unlike the stud in the club), I know I can have seconds!

[Guest Jesse Dane]

>9) Kissing should be a dance and not an attack. Don't try and

>eat my face.

 

 

YES!!!

 

Especially if you guys have facial hair or lots of stubble. It's no fun to get your face all scratched up when kissing. And when that's how a session starts it totally throws me off focus for the rest of the session if my face is in pain.

[augustman]

I would like to second the motion about being a good thread and how pleasant that the acrimony that could have taken this thread over has been held down. I think most this discussion comes down to two things; mutual respect by all parties involved and communication.

 

I believe each client and escort had different ideas as to what makes a good encounter. As clients we have to give escorts a good idea what we are looking for be flexible about what might happen. I have good encounters where the sex was not the greatest but was almost secondary because I really enjoyed the person I was with. I am a person who typically takes a great deal of time to set up the encounter, so when things go awry I get a bit flustered, but I have learned to go with the flow and even those times go much better than expected because I took it as having an omlet rather than the plain two eggs. I have also learned that even annoying cell phones can be handled well if both parties are aware of the situation and try to handle it. I recently had encounter where I needed to have my cell phone on, I took the call but I made sure the escort was not unattended and this actually added to the fun. However, I do not appreciate the escort stopping the middle of a passionate fuck, get out of bed, talk to another potential client, go pull his calendar out and come back 10 minutes later and "Well did you get yourself off."

 

I believe once a type of encounter is agreed to neither party should try to change after the fact like if the escort says he does not bottom, client should not try to push it (heard of this type of stuff and saw it happen once). But being person who likes to be a bottom and state it clearly and the escort is plenty hard, I do expect it and several times it has happened the escort has not, once no condom (I have learned on that one, keep an assortment and ask) the other three times no excuse given. I would not have hired if they would not top.

 

I actually believe all situations can be handled if we simply take a moment, breathe, communicate and respect the other person(s). Also despite all the info sometimes encounters just do not work.

[+ Charlie]

My minimal expectations of an escort:

 

1. He looks like his photo or fits his verbal description.

2. He does what he says he will do, whatever that may be.

3. He charges what he says he charges.

4. He focuses his attention on me, and spends no more than 15 minutes of the hour on casual chitchat.

 

In my many years of hiring, I can remember only two occasions when escorts called me to solicit another session; both times were unwanted intrusions, and I never called them again.

[KY_TOP]

This is actually a good subject thread but, it probably should be in the Lounge the way the conversation has gone. I'm always reluctant to respond here, not being an Escort, so my apologies for responding.

 

The Escort response by Scott and Bobby really show to me how different even Escorts and their turn offs or turn ons can be. I think personal hygiene is always a must for ALL concerned.

 

Scott mentions keeping one's hands to one's self in public places yet, it is with Escorts I have had this happen. My most memorable was a pinch on the ass while in line for Space Mountain and a quick kiss in a dark area of Pirates of the Caribbean. I might add that I was not offended at all. :+

 

Kissing is one of my favorite sexual activities and I somewhat agree that it should be a dance. Yet I've had many Escorts that are very aggressive kissers, though they usually ease up to the aggressiveness from small pecks. I have found this to be very arousing, except for the one Escort that almost chipped my tooth from crashing his teeth into mine. OUCH

 

It would be interesting to see more Client's and Escort's personal dos and don'ts.

[Rick Munroe]

>It seems to me that number two should be number one.

 

Wouldn't that get confusing? You wouldn't know whether to choose the urinal or the bowl.

[Rick Munroe]

>Does Gucci charge the

>same thing for a T-Shirt that Hanes does? Hell no. Do they

>do it? Yes.

 

Personally, I prefer to get my T-shirts at Old Navy or the Salvation Army.

 

>Have you ever lived in LA or New York? I guarantee you

>traffic is one of MANY EXCUSES that are valid.

 

That's true, but it's a good idea to call when you know you are going to be late (unless you're stuck in the subway with no reception).

 

>Leaving your phone on vibrate and

>discreetly looking to see if it's an important call is

>perfectly fine.

 

I disagree. Derek and I always turn our phones off before we knock on the hotel room door, or before someone arrives at our place. If we forget and it rings, we immediately turn the power off without looking to see who it is.

 

>If my mother calls and I don't answer I'm assumed dead or in

>jail. Have you had a Jewish mother?

 

I have one, and I ignore her calls all the time. Even she knows that people (even sons) have lives and are not always able to answer a cell phone. Also, it's a good idea to let Mom worry needlessly every now and then. Keeps 'em feeling alive.

 

>There are MANY clients that provide

>their working boys with a viagra when they walk in.

 

Really? I've never had that happen to me (and I would never take a prescription drug from anyone, even if it's just Viagra; I'm just a baby that way).

 

>But really in the lng run

>what matters is the client cumming.

 

That's not always true. Some clients need to see the escort cum and don't need to cum themselves; for others, the opposite is true. And for some others, they don't care if either person cums. I think what really matters in the long run is being a nice person and making sure the client is happy (even if he's submissive and only wants to please the escort; you're still making him happy by letting him make you feel good).

 

>now for the TEN CLIENT COMMANDMENTS:

>V. Thou shalt not call me outside of NORMAL hours

 

What are normal hours? 9-5? Just turn your phone off when you are not available.

[Rick Munroe]

>My logic and (believe) have read somewhere that you should not

>brush or floss before sex as they may cause micro abrasions to

>your gums which could lead to possible HIV transmission.

 

You're absolutely right and it's a smart thing to do.

 

>For the record I do take a shower before meeting and trim the

>hair in my ears!

 

What about the nose hairs??

[Rick Munroe]

>3) Don't send one sentence emails lacking any respect for

>grammar and the written word. For example, "Looking for hot

>btm for hr. What r u in2? rate?" These get a laugh and go

>straight into the trashbin.

 

Really? I answer all emails, even if they're just brief notes like that. Some people just aren't good at writing or using a computer. I don't hold it against them.

 

>5) Stop calling me from blocked phone numbers. I *promise* not

>to call you everyday and ask how your day went at work.

 

Some guys are married or closeted and paranoid about anyone having any of their personal info. I respect that and don't care if I get calls from blocked numbers. Some of those have turned out to be regular and trustworthy clients.

 

>8) Pllllease don't call at 3 a.m. and expect me not to grunt

>and throw the phone at the wall.

 

Why don't you just turn your phone off when you go to bed? :o

[Rick Munroe]

>People who venture into what's supposed to be a fun, and

>fairly spontaneous meeting with too many expectations are

>bound to be disappointed.

 

That's true. Do you know what it's like to have someone email you and say, "I want it to be just like in Reviews # 13 and 22." :o

[Rick Munroe]

>7) Don't call me more than once to ask if I want you to come

>back.

 

Wow, do escorts really do that? I'd feel so weird if I called anyone after a meeting...I have always left any follow-ups to the client.

[SAdler]

I can totally understand your point of view. But that's the thing. Shit happens. You can choose to deal with it calmly and move on or you can make a big deal out of it. Sounds like you chose the latter.

 

Sorry to say the same things happen to us and we have no recourse but to just deal with it. Sorry for tearing into you but perhaps you should have pre-empted your post that some situation had just happened.

 

Anyway ... yeah. Just relax and if these clowns can't hold up their ends of the bargain, they're not worth YOUR time. Plenty of fish in the sea. You may have to fish for a while till you find the right one but you'll find a catch

[SAdler]

>Actually there is a market. Your statement in factually

>incorrect. Also, there is a fair market value for escort

>prices. Paying too much is stupid. If an escort is as valuable

>as he thinks he is then he should not be offended if a client

>elects to negotiate his rate. Does Gucci become upsetif you

>feel his T-shirts are too expensive?

 

I encourage you to read the Escort Fees thread. I don't recall you being involved in it so I'm not going to waste my typing repeating EVERYTHING And yes, if you told Tom Ford that his clothing wasn't worth his prices he'd (depending on who you were) laugh at you or be insulted. There really wouldn't be a middle ground there.

>

 

>I'm wondering how many people who work for any company of size

>are allowed to leave their cell phone on and take calls as

>they wish, any? Turn your fucking cell phone off. Mommy is

>tougher than you think.

 

LOL. Talk to me when we're discussing corporate mergers and acquisitions. This is dinner. LIGHTEN UP!

>

>If you need viagra to get hard buy your own. Why should the

>client provide it? After all he is paying the escort an amount

>of money to perform, if he can't do the trick without tools

>then bring them with him.

 

Never said I needed it. I'm speaking to the general commentary. You want to bring big business into it? OK. A celebrity is asked to perform at an event, do they pay for that limo? No, the company hiring them does.

>

>It isn't your job and you know this. However too many escorts

>will continue to call a client more times than is appropriate.

 

Again, just general commentary. Any reason you've decided to make attacks on me?

>

>

>>now for the TEN CLIENT COMMANDMENTS:

>>

>Wait a minute have you ever been in the traffic in LA or NYC?

>Didn't you remark above that it isn't always possible to be on

>time yet the client should be?

 

There's a difference between saying there is no excuse to being late and asking to be on time. I've obviously addressed that promptness is expected but the event of a traffic problem is ok as long as you NOTIFY the escort.

>

>Where do YOU list your "NORMAL hours?" If they are not listed

>somehwere how is a client to know what they are?

 

Come on! Do I have to answer this? Would you call someone you don't know at 11 at night or 5 in the morning? Of course not. Common courtesy and social cues that we all have grown up with should be able to answer this for you ... now if you were raised by wolves, you're excused.

>

>

>If I'm in the mood to bargin I do so. If you or Gucci become

>offended then maybe you're in the wrong business. Also, how

>can one understand YOUR rates when you don't list them and

>only spring them upon the client AFTER you have met?

 

LOL. I ALWAYS discuss my rates in advance. There's NO question of that. Again. Read the escort Fees thread. You're way out of your league on this chat. Catch up and get back to me