Mr Number

[+ DrownedBoy]

21 hours ago, Runningguyindc said:

@DrownedBoy Wait. Wtf. You had to get security involved?! Holy shit.

yeah, mine just got physical, demanded more money after 20 minutes.. and when I said no, he said, “all you (ethnic group) guys are the same…” 

at that point I wanted to leave but he physically wouldn’t let me. I totally get they can be desperate for $$, but this is no way to get it. 

He was on roids and threatened the hotel manager. That's when security got called. 

[Simon Suraci]

On 7/24/2024 at 1:48 AM, APPLE1 said:

1) Are you able to leave positive reviews that contradict the comments of others? 2) Do you, if in fact you have a good experience with the person?

1) When I have neutral or positive experiences with a negatively reviewed client, I leave positive comments. Nothing that descriptive other than he is safe to see, followed through, and contradict any negative comments i.e. the “client paid my rate”, in contrast to comments like: “he didn’t pay”, “cheap client”, or “has no money”. I’ll mention he was respectful if he had other comments on his number saying he was rude, abrasive, or creepy.

2) After a positive meeting, I leave no comments when the client has nothing listed in the first place, which is most commonly the case. Same if he has only positive comments, which is very rare. Mr Number is not designed to be a referral system. It’s supposed to be for reporting spam and fraud. We providers use it unofficially as a warning beacon to flag chronic problem clients and help keep us safe. That’s why you hardly find any neutral or positive comments. It’s about managing risk, not a tool to find or refer better clients.

The best clients have no comments on Mr Number because they are not behaving in a way that would motivate a provider to go out of his way to flag it.

Really horrible clients might not have comments because they have either a) been lucky to not use providers who report on Mr Number, or b) regularly change their burner number for this express purpose - kind of like a provider making a new profile when he receives a bad review. Both behaviors are childish. Everyone treat one another with respect and we don’t have to play these games. Alas, bad apples populate both sides of hiring.

Speaking for myself here, but I’m sure others feel the same: I don’t care if the client is attractive or nice or a millionaire, and this wouldn’t be the place to discern or share such information anyway. We just want to avoid trouble and wasting our time. Remember: an escort’s (and masseur’s) most valuable asset is his time.

Here are some common Mr Number flags, which sometimes are true, sometimes not:

Law enforcement (often not true)

No-shower (usually true)

Disrespect

Verbal abuse

Trolling behavior

Bargaining behavior 

Won’t pay

Drug use

Mental instability 

No boundaries

Wants to outsource all risk and responsibility for his own sexual health to escorts i.e. show me your prescription, rapid test in person, etc. There is no satisfying this unreasonable client, even if you test in person, send all documents, etc. It never ends. Immediate block.

“Gross” clients (inexperienced providers write these, very common, it’s unprofessional)

“Time Waster” - see blurb below.

 

Less common:

Violence

Catfishing

Other

 

”Time Waster” and variants therof:

This is the most common comment of all. Most of these are from immature providers. They have no concept of what reasonably constitutes time wasting behavior. Just today I saw a comment saying a client was a time waster because he canceled last minute in 2022…because he tested positive for COVID. Now, we don’t know if that was a lame made up excuse (I hear them all), but anyone sick should cancel! Just like a provider testing positive for an STI should cancel, however inconvenient that may be for each party.

Car accidents, sick relatives, and business emergencies tend to occur conveniently right before so many appointments. After a while you catch on. But sometimes that really is what happened. While unfortunate, canceling for real, compelling reasons is a normal, natural part of life. You can’t be considered a “time waster” because you are a human being with a life.

At the same time, reporting these incidents shows us patterns. Like, how many times does this John get COVID before an appointment, or “fall asleep” and stop responding (unacceptable btw). Maybe he really does care for a sick relative needing constant care…in which case he should get coverage with another caregiver before booking an appointment. Your lack of planning does not make everyday occurrences “emergencies”, where you have to cancel every other time you book. Figure your shit out. Be an adult. Get a sitter. Or just…don’t book!

We see the patterns and measure our risk.

On the flip side, lots of clients do waste our time in ways they shouldn’t. Answering questions about our rates and services is not timewasting behavior. Not booking but asking the same questions over and over is. These too:

Client sexting

Client demanding affirmation

Discussing minutiae of an appointment obviously for wanking purposes

Demanding our attention at all hours outside appointment times, over many days, weeks, or even months. I have to block clients who feel entitled to hours of my attention because they got a one hour massage from me one time. Thanks, but no thanks.

[Daniel84]

After a client pulled a knife on me in Baltimore. I now check everybody's number with Mr number. If I would have checked his  number I would have seen his  30 plus reviews of him being dangerous etc. 

[caramelsub]

As a client I’ve had to block providers on two different occasions. One is a very popular and highly reviewed provider on rentmen. He got upset with me when I cancelled with sufficient notice, and I hung up the phone when he called me trying to talk me into booking him. After I blocked him he then texted me with a different number, and must have googled my number, because he addressed me by my real name, which I never I gave to him. So I blocked that number too.
On another occasion a provider kept texting me “what you decide”, after talking with him on the phone, for days. He couldn’t host, so I couldn’t meet with him. I blocked him, then he texts me from another number insulting me, so I blocked that number too. 
So it’s not just providers that need to be careful, clients need to be careful about who they hire too. I always recommend communicating on rentmen first and feeling them out before doing anything else on your private phone number. I hate to say this, but this profession attracts a lot of shady, unstable people. 

[+ APPLE1]

5 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

1) When I have neutral or positive experiences with a negatively reviewed client, I leave positive comments. Nothing that descriptive other than he is safe to see, followed through, and contradict any negative comments i.e. the “client paid my rate”, in contrast to comments like: “he didn’t pay”, “cheap client”, or “has no money”. I’ll mention he was respectful if he had other comments on his number saying he was rude, abrasive, or creepy.

2) After a positive meeting, I leave no comments when the client has nothing listed in the first place, which is most commonly the case. Same if he has only positive comments, which is very rare. Mr Number is not designed to be a referral system. It’s supposed to be for reporting spam and fraud. We providers use it unofficially as a warning beacon to flag chronic problem clients and help keep us safe. That’s why you hardly find any neutral or positive comments. It’s about managing risk, not a tool to find or refer better clients.

The best clients have no comments on Mr Number because they are not behaving in a way that would motivate a provider to go out of his way to flag it.

Really horrible clients might not have comments because they have either a) been lucky to not use providers who report on Mr Number, or b) regularly change their burner number for this express purpose - kind of like a provider making a new profile when he receives a bad review. Both behaviors are childish. Everyone treat one another with respect and we don’t have to play these games. Alas, bad apples populate both sides of hiring.

Speaking for myself here, but I’m sure others feel the same: I don’t care if the client is attractive or nice or a millionaire, and this wouldn’t be the place to discern or share such information anyway. We just want to avoid trouble and wasting our time. Remember: an escort’s (and masseur’s) most valuable asset is his time.

Here are some common Mr Number flags, which sometimes are true, sometimes not:

Law enforcement (often not true)

No-shower (usually true)

Disrespect

Verbal abuse

Trolling behavior

Bargaining behavior 

Won’t pay

Drug use

Mental instability 

No boundaries

Wants to outsource all risk and responsibility for his own sexual health to escorts i.e. show me your prescription, rapid test in person, etc. There is no satisfying this unreasonable client, even if you test in person, send all documents, etc. It never ends. Immediate block.

“Gross” clients (inexperienced providers write these, very common, it’s unprofessional)

“Time Waster” - see blurb below.

 

Less common:

Violence

Catfishing

Other

 

”Time Waster” and variants therof:

This is the most common comment of all. Most of these are from immature providers. They have no concept of what reasonably constitutes time wasting behavior. Just today I saw a comment saying a client was a time waster because he canceled last minute in 2022…because he tested positive for COVID. Now, we don’t know if that was a lame made up excuse (I hear them all), but anyone sick should cancel! Just like a provider testing positive for an STI should cancel, however inconvenient that may be for each party.

Car accidents, sick relatives, and business emergencies tend to occur conveniently right before so many appointments. After a while you catch on. But sometimes that really is what happened. While unfortunate, canceling for real, compelling reasons is a normal, natural part of life. You can’t be considered a “time waster” because you are a human being with a life.

At the same time, reporting these incidents shows us patterns. Like, how many times does this John get COVID before an appointment, or “fall asleep” and stop responding (unacceptable btw). Maybe he really does care for a sick relative needing constant care…in which case he should get coverage with another caregiver before booking an appointment. Your lack of planning does not make everyday occurrences “emergencies”, where you have to cancel every other time you book. Figure your shit out. Be an adult. Get a sitter. Or just…don’t book!

We see the patterns and measure our risk.

On the flip side, lots of clients do waste our time in ways they shouldn’t. Answering questions about our rates and services is not timewasting behavior. Not booking but asking the same questions over and over is. These too:

Client sexting

Client demanding affirmation

Discussing minutiae of an appointment obviously for wanking purposes

Demanding our attention at all hours outside appointment times, over many days, weeks, or even months. I have to block clients who feel entitled to hours of my attention because they got a one hour massage from me one time. Thanks, but no thanks.

Glad to hear that you post good comments about clients when others providers comments have been negative. I must say though, I was surprised to hear that you don't post positive comments if there is nothing about your client there already. I feel like it would be an added service I'd welcome from a provider, especially if he were a regular. More importantly, it would seem to be a plus in helping ensure sane piece of mind and safety for other providers.

When a provider sees a new client, I assume there's always at least a bit of anxiety about who is showing up at their door. I also assume that the anxiety would be at least a little less if they see that 1 other provider had a safe experience with the client.

Not to mention, if a provider has 2 offers for Sun afternoon. Client A has put a provider(s) at risk in the past,  but has no reviews because they change their number or their previous providers didn't use MN. Client B has no reviews because they've only been a great client. Wouldn't it be prudent to write that client B was "good" in order to keep another provider from choosing client A?

Edited July 26 by APPLE1

[Simon Suraci]

49 minutes ago, APPLE1 said:

feel like it would be an added service I'd welcome from a provider

^What you suggest is an unpaid service  costing us a bit of our most valuable asset (time) which the client more than likely will never see, know about, or appreciate. Giving even more of our time away for free? Nope!

We don’t want all our clients to be aware of such a platform in the first place. It’s not for clients. The platform is for providers. We only really spend time adding comments for extreme cases as a courtesy to other providers. We don’t spend additional time “reviewing” our everyday clients like you would a restaurant on Yelp. Besides, we are not the consumers anyway.

49 minutes ago, APPLE1 said:

there's always at least a bit of anxiety about who is showing up at their door

^Not the case at all. An experienced professional makes peace with the fact that anyone can be on the other side of their door. Yet he is ready to attend to his client’s needs anyway. A good provider does not have such anxiety. I know I don’t.

49 minutes ago, APPLE1 said:

Wouldn't it be prudent to write that client B was "good" in order to keep another provider from choosing client A?

We can’t control client behavior. Who is to say the client is as good with everyone as he was with me? It’s not our responsibility to build or maintain our clients’ reputations. If anything, the less we say, the better, so as not to jeopardize client discretion or give a false impression of safety. He didn’t murder me, so surely he won’t murder you, right?!

[BaronArtz]

I heard from a well known and respected erotic masseur in NY that some escorts deliberately write bad reviews of clients so that they can ' keep the client to themselves ...

He mentioned another web based verification tool

www.beenverified.com

Anyone has experience?

Edited July 31 by BaronArtz

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 7/25/2024 at 8:49 PM, Daniel84 said:

After a client pulled a knife on me in Baltimore. I now check everybody's number with Mr number. If I would have checked his  number I would have seen his  30 plus reviews of him being dangerous etc. 

that is horrible. I just had a bad experience myself; however he had no reviews on Mr. Number but my assistant did find (after he already stood me up) where back in 2019, he flaked on me and showed me aggressive behavior. This time I put him on Mr. Number and reported him to both RM sites.

⚠️ ANYONE IN NEW YORK OR SAINT LOUIS BEWARE OF THIS GUY. 🚨 Drug user, probably has STDs and might give it to you

#1: he tells me the day before that another escort “filled him with a load twice, even sending me his profile name THE DAY BEFORE WE WERE SCHEDULED.

#2: I’m in touch with him the next day, and he goes and cancels moments prior to me heading to his hotel.

 

#3: Refuses to pay the rest he owes for session and then gets belligerent. So I put out a fraud alert:

 

I told RM: this is why we need a private portal for us providers. And I give a shit if clients know about it or not. Ever heard of a credit report? Credit karma? We need a credit karma for clients. Let them know, that we can find out about their dirt. 

This is why I prefer dealing with select clients only. Some of these other guys I feel like I’m dealing with middle and high school kids, not 50 year old men 🤦🏾‍♂️ Clients are lucky if all they get is a Mr. Number review. People try to rip off a drug dealer, they’re coming for their life. They usually have to move cities.

Edited July 31 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ DrownedBoy]

Make an "approved client" list. I don't like how these a@@holes make it harder for the honest to hire.

[marylander1940]

Here

29 minutes ago, Aceface said:

Does anyone know what site escorts get to review their clients. I know that there is one out there as I have had two tell me about it. One said they had seen a pic of me and my instagram handle was linked.

 

[Aceface]

How do you find out information about yourself on Mr.Number? I looked up my phone and it only had my name and no comments. Is there something else I’m supposed to do?

[Simon Suraci]

9 minutes ago, Aceface said:

How do you find out information about yourself on Mr.Number? I looked up my phone and it only had my name and no comments. Is there something else I’m supposed to do?

No, that’s a good sign. You should only see comments if a provider left one. Again, this platform is NOT for clients. It is NOT designed to establish, build, or maintain client reputations, so please do not read into it. It is only for warning other escorts of problem behavior, and reporting other general spam/scams.

Honestly you’re better off not seeing anything that has been written about you (if there is anything at all). Some providers are really immature and post bogus comments. Imagine that: 20 year olds without life experience and sometimes using English as a secondary language blasting off with no spelling or grammar skills about some normal situation like a client asking for rates and not booking, saying the client is a “time waster” (or time “waiste”, etc), or someone is “creepy” simply because he is over 60 ie a normal common client age range.

I wouldn’t want to put any of that garbage into your head and let it bother you. The good, mature, experienced escorts look right past that crap and disregard it anyway. If you’re doing a good job at picking the right guys, it won’t matter if you have these types of common comments on your number. Follow the advice on CoM about how to communicate with providers and you will be just FINE!!!
 

[+ ThroatCummer]

This is a great discussion and love @Simon Suraci's comments here. 

What I think we need to remember is that escorting is like any other business.  There is someone selling a product and there is a person buying the product. 

The sellers (escorts) are like Amazon and every other business. Their customers review them, they get stars, written reviews, and their reputation needs to be impeccable in order to stay in business. They need to touch (pun intended!) reach customer in the right ways to make them come back.  Word of mouth is everything as well. 

But individual customers are never reviewed by Amazon or Target or the restaurant down the street.  Other than the airlines, there is no master database of blacklisted customers somewhere. Yes, Amazon can ban a customer or a restaurant can refuse to service. But the other restaurants in town all still needs business, so they aren't going to turn away a paying customer just because that customer had a problem with another restaurant. Each business will form its own opinion on each customer that walks in the front door. 

Yes, if a person decides to fuck with every restaurant in town, they will eventually run out of places to eat and word will get around. 

But make no mistake, one of these is the service/product provider and one of these is the person paying. Amazon, restaurants, the barber shop, or escorting. It's no different. 

Mr. Number can help escorts decide not to engage a person but it's 1000x easier for the customer to get a new number than it is for an escort to change their entire business name, profile page, reviews, and location. 

It kind of sucks to read but it's just the reality. 

[+ keroscenefire]

I don't think most clients are on Mr Number. I got it just to check if my number was on there and it was not. And I've hired quite a lot. Haha. But I am glad the resource exists for escorts to make sure their clients are safe and not scammy. 

[+ JamesB]

A few providers have mentioned that they check Mr. Number to see if potential clients are flagged for violent behavior or scams. If they come across a report like "time waster" or something similar, they don't give it much weight. I suppose that makes sense.

[marylander1940]

On 7/25/2024 at 9:49 PM, Daniel84 said:

After a client pulled a knife on me in Baltimore. I now check everybody's number with Mr number. If I would have checked his  number I would have seen his  30 plus reviews of him being dangerous etc. 

And don't you forget about certain "doctor" in Virginia. I can't find the thread where you warned DMV escorts about him.

I asked Daddy to openly post his 2 numbers in the Forum after many escorts mentioned him, not only because of getting scammed at the end of their "business relationship" but the crazy stories they had about him, but Daddy didn't allow me to post it. 

He's been reported multiple times! I just checked his two numbers in Mr. Number and there even more negative reports about him!

Edited August 30 by marylander1940

[Daniel84]

On 8/30/2024 at 5:43 PM, marylander1940 said:

And don't you forget about certain "doctor" in Virginia. I can't find the thread where you warned DMV escorts about him.

I asked Daddy to openly post his 2 numbers in the Forum after many escorts mentioned him, not only because of getting scammed at the end of their "business relationship" but the crazy stories they had about him, but Daddy didn't allow me to post it. 

He's been reported multiple times! I just checked his two numbers in Mr. Number and there even more negative reports about him!

Send me a pm I am curious and I need to block him 

[marylander1940]

46 minutes ago, Daniel84 said:

Send me a pm I am curious and I need to block him 

Sent!

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

As with any review platform, you risk being dinged if you act in unbecoming ways.

Mr Number- as well as any other blacklists- exist to warn escorts of potential pitfalls.

That doesn't mean they won't be abused.  Like bad escort reviews, you can get yourself a black mark for any number of reasons.

I'd offer that clients understand and use apps like Burner to better protect themselves.

[marylander1940]

1 hour ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

As with any review platform, you risk being dinged if you act in unbecoming ways.

Mr Number- as well as any other blacklists- exist to warn escorts of potential pitfalls.

That doesn't mean they won't be abused.  Like bad escort reviews, you can get yourself a black mark for any number of reasons.

I'd offer that clients understand and use apps like Burner to better protect themselves.

Burner numbers have made escorting more difficult. People are flakier than ever before because now they can get away with it. They can simply download another number and pretend to be someone else right away.

Many escorts won't consider an appointment serious if the potential client is using a burner number to contact them.

 

 

[+ JamesB]

 I’ve always used a burner number when dealing with providers. Why would I give someone I’ll only see once my real phone number? If they become a regular, then and only then do they get my actual number. The same goes for my address. The first meet is always an incall. I don’t want every provider I try to know where I live. Plus, seeing where and how they live gives me insight into whether I want to keep seeing them and if I want them to know where I live.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

13 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Burner numbers have made escorting more difficult. People are flakier than ever before because now they can get away with it. They can simply download another number and pretend to be someone else right away.

Many escorts won't consider an appointment serious if the potential client is using a burner number to contact them.

I understand, but there's always two parties to consider.  I'm just trying to also consider the client mindset.

As for Burner, it's now near-impossible for an escort to know if they're chatting with a Burner number vs the client's actual number.  The Burner app has a 'premium' tier that assigns genuine numbers which cannot be pinged as 'temporary.'

I agree that these apps make it easier for ghosting and general fuckery.

This business remains a leap-of-faith for many, on both ends.

[Simon Suraci]

Then you have clients not using a phone number at all, only using exclusively RentMasseur messenger, RentMen messenger, and other app messages to communicate. One client arranged a two hour meeting with me yesterday after confirming details the day before. He deleted his profile and so when I was going to ask if he was still coming, it says the profile is no longer available. What a jerk. I wish people would just cancel instead of ghost/delete/block whatever. It’s so childish. At least a real phone number has nominal stakes, even if only a burner. That’s why some of my peers won’t book an appointment without a phone number, and refuse to book with numbers they can tell are burners.

[StarQualityLuke]

3 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

Then you have clients not using a phone number at all, only using exclusively RentMasseur messenger, RentMen messenger, and other app messages to communicate. One client arranged a two hour meeting with me yesterday after confirming details the day before. He deleted his profile and so when I was going to ask if he was still coming, it says the profile is no longer available. What a jerk. I wish people would just cancel instead of ghost/delete/block whatever. It’s so childish. At least a real phone number has nominal stakes, even if only a burner. That’s why some of my peers won’t book an appointment without a phone number, and refuse to book with numbers they can tell are burners.

Yeah, I had someone say the same thing, he said, all the guys on here are looking to hook up and not massage the real kind of massage.  And I corresponded back and said, well, you've met someone that actually does the work.  He then went on to say thank you, and he was so excited that I was coming into town, and then I went to respond, and he had removed his profile.  It truly doesn't make sense, you are correct about that, Simon.

[DWnyc]

Providers who insist on real numbers will likely lose more business from that policy than from time lost because of ghosting / flaming burner users. As with asking for photos.