Mr Number

[JTtorretto]

On 8/31/2024 at 10:09 PM, BenjaminNicholas said:

As with any review platform, you risk being dinged if you act in unbecoming ways.

Mr Number- as well as any other blacklists- exist to warn escorts of potential pitfalls.

That doesn't mean they won't be abused.  Like bad escort reviews, you can get yourself a black mark for any number of reasons.

I'd offer that clients understand and use apps like Burner to better protect themselves.

No no no, 

 

BAD ADVICE

 

when a potential client contacts me using a fake burner type # its likely due to his reputation via mr number 

[JTtorretto]

On 9/1/2024 at 1:00 PM, BenjaminNicholas said:

I understand, but there's always two parties to consider.  I'm just trying to also consider the client mindset.

As for Burner, it's now near-impossible for an escort to know if they're chatting with a Burner number vs the client's actual number.  The Burner app has a 'premium' tier that assigns genuine numbers which cannot be pinged as 'temporary.'

I agree that these apps make it easier for ghosting and general fuckery.

This business remains a leap-of-faith for many, on both ends.

NOT true.  
Even with the “premium” tier I have a couple ways to instantly tell if a green text is a voip or android.

and this is a major reason why blue texts are always preferred as you cant “fake” an apple to apple IM message.    

[JTtorretto]

On 9/2/2024 at 5:43 AM, DWnyc said:

Providers who insist on real numbers will likely lose more business from that policy than from time lost because of ghosting / flaming burner users. As with asking for photos.

 

Out of the two-three thousand clients ive  met while in this business I cant think of a single experience where someone using a burner type # actually followed thru.

 

 

 

[ZackZack]

On 7/25/2024 at 4:42 PM, Simon Suraci said:

1) When I have neutral or positive experiences with a negatively reviewed client, I leave positive comments. Nothing that descriptive other than he is safe to see, followed through, and contradict any negative comments i.e. the “client paid my rate”, in contrast to comments like: “he didn’t pay”, “cheap client”, or “has no money”. I’ll mention he was respectful if he had other comments on his number saying he was rude, abrasive, or creepy.

2) After a positive meeting, I leave no comments when the client has nothing listed in the first place, which is most commonly the case. Same if he has only positive comments, which is very rare. Mr Number is not designed to be a referral system. It’s supposed to be for reporting spam and fraud. We providers use it unofficially as a warning beacon to flag chronic problem clients and help keep us safe. That’s why you hardly find any neutral or positive comments. It’s about managing risk, not a tool to find or refer better clients.

The best clients have no comments on Mr Number because they are not behaving in a way that would motivate a provider to go out of his way to flag it.

Really horrible clients might not have comments because they have either a) been lucky to not use providers who report on Mr Number, or b) regularly change their burner number for this express purpose - kind of like a provider making a new profile when he receives a bad review. Both behaviors are childish. Everyone treat one another with respect and we don’t have to play these games. Alas, bad apples populate both sides of hiring.

Speaking for myself here, but I’m sure others feel the same: I don’t care if the client is attractive or nice or a millionaire, and this wouldn’t be the place to discern or share such information anyway. We just want to avoid trouble and wasting our time. Remember: an escort’s (and masseur’s) most valuable asset is his time.

Here are some common Mr Number flags, which sometimes are true, sometimes not:

Law enforcement (often not true)

No-shower (usually true)

Disrespect

Verbal abuse

Trolling behavior

Bargaining behavior 

Won’t pay

Drug use

Mental instability 

No boundaries

Wants to outsource all risk and responsibility for his own sexual health to escorts i.e. show me your prescription, rapid test in person, etc. There is no satisfying this unreasonable client, even if you test in person, send all documents, etc. It never ends. Immediate block.

“Gross” clients (inexperienced providers write these, very common, it’s unprofessional)

“Time Waster” - see blurb below.

 

Less common:

Violence

Catfishing

Other

 

”Time Waster” and variants therof:

This is the most common comment of all. Most of these are from immature providers. They have no concept of what reasonably constitutes time wasting behavior. Just today I saw a comment saying a client was a time waster because he canceled last minute in 2022…because he tested positive for COVID. Now, we don’t know if that was a lame made up excuse (I hear them all), but anyone sick should cancel! Just like a provider testing positive for an STI should cancel, however inconvenient that may be for each party.

Car accidents, sick relatives, and business emergencies tend to occur conveniently right before so many appointments. After a while you catch on. But sometimes that really is what happened. While unfortunate, canceling for real, compelling reasons is a normal, natural part of life. You can’t be considered a “time waster” because you are a human being with a life.

At the same time, reporting these incidents shows us patterns. Like, how many times does this John get COVID before an appointment, or “fall asleep” and stop responding (unacceptable btw). Maybe he really does care for a sick relative needing constant care…in which case he should get coverage with another caregiver before booking an appointment. Your lack of planning does not make everyday occurrences “emergencies”, where you have to cancel every other time you book. Figure your shit out. Be an adult. Get a sitter. Or just…don’t book!

We see the patterns and measure our risk.

On the flip side, lots of clients do waste our time in ways they shouldn’t. Answering questions about our rates and services is not timewasting behavior. Not booking but asking the same questions over and over is. These too:

Client sexting

Client demanding affirmation

Discussing minutiae of an appointment obviously for wanking purposes

Demanding our attention at all hours outside appointment times, over many days, weeks, or even months. I have to block clients who feel entitled to hours of my attention because they got a one hour massage from me one time. Thanks, but no thanks.

This was very through and detailed. Thanks for sharing your views.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

20 hours ago, JTtorretto said:

NOT true.  
Even with the “premium” tier I have a couple ways to instantly tell if a green text is a voip or android.

and this is a major reason why blue texts are always preferred as you cant “fake” an apple to apple IM message.    

Sure you do.

Wanna share this secret sauce.

Edited September 5 by BenjaminNicholas

[DWnyc]

On 9/4/2024 at 12:07 AM, JTtorretto said:

 

So 0% out of a sample of 2-3 thousand?

Given that many on here have said they use burner numbers (I would be surprised if it’s not close to half or even more)- your hypothesis has to be incorrect about the industry as a whole.

I understand from the grapevine you have an … interesting … screening process including demanding real numbers from those who don’t meet your criteria - maybe that is what puts off burner users from following through with you specifically. 

I love statistical analysis.
 

[marylander1940]

On 9/1/2024 at 12:00 PM, BenjaminNicholas said:

I understand, but there's always two parties to consider.  I'm just trying to also consider the client mindset.

As for Burner, it's now near-impossible for an escort to know if they're chatting with a Burner number vs the client's actual number.  The Burner app has a 'premium' tier that assigns genuine numbers which cannot be pinged as 'temporary.'

I agree that these apps make it easier for ghosting and general fuckery.

This business remains a leap-of-faith for many, on both ends.

To find out if someone is using a burner number you can always call back.

As far as I know if he's using text to mail or Google Voice and he doesn't pick up the phone the recording to allow you to leave a voicemail will tell you he's using one of those apps.

I'm not sure if it applies to other burner apps.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

26 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

To find out if someone is using a burner number you can always call back.

As far as I know if he's using text to mail or Google Voice and he doesn't pick up the phone the recording to allow you to leave a voicemail will tell you he's using one of those apps.

I'm not sure if it applies to other burner apps.

The Burner App allows you to leave a custom message without letting the person know it's a third-party.

[marylander1940]

18 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

The Burner App allows you to leave a custom message without letting the person know it's a third-party.

Yes but how many users know that and would even figure it out how to do it? 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

23 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Yes but how many users know that and would even figure it out how to do it? 

Agree.  There's a learning curve.

But...  If you have a lot to protect, you go to those lengths.  It's as easy as a YouTube tutorial.

Guys in hiding need to stop thinking solely with their dicks.  It's how they get caught.

[DWnyc]

On 9/3/2024 at 11:55 PM, JTtorretto said:

No no no, 

 

BAD ADVICE

 

when a potential client contacts me using a fake burner type # its likely due to his reputation via mr number 

I didn’t know what Mr Number was until a year after being on this site - and 5-6 years after seeing providers regularly. In my case using a burner had nothing to do with my reputation on MrN. And I assume many others aren’t focused on that logic either.  

A burner number isn’t fake - it just can’t be traced through regular background checks (until it can - the more someone uses it info builds up). If what you’re really saying is you need someone’s name, ability to run background checks on them etc - and you need their “real” number for that, to build up leverage, that’s a different matter. 

My Mr Number reputation is stellar. It says I’m sweet but get annoyed if kept waiting. Someone tried leaving something nasty and I got it removed because a provider alerted me while we were meeting - wasn’t a problem for him. 

Here’s more advice for clients: I’ve rarely met a provider who had a problem with my burner number. If they ever did I would Move on and they would lose my business. Because in my experience the odds are 90% it’s not a problem. 

 

Edited September 11 by DWnyc

[JTtorretto]

On 9/4/2024 at 8:15 PM, BenjaminNicholas said:

Sure you do.

Wanna share this secret sauce.

DM me 

[sense]

I'm a rentmasseur/masseurfinder client, not an escort client.  I hire for beautiful sensual work, not "full service."  But I do "due diligence" before I hire, but I am NOT a gameplayer.  I hire, I pay well, and to many guys I am regarded as a truly good client relationship and I see them again and again.  But I've recently become aware that there are messages out there about me that I'm a timewaster, even that I stand people up, which I would NEVER EVER do.  I have NEVER done this.  And if I have to cancel because my travel changes, I do so at least 24-48 hours ahead.  Is there any way I can encourage a provider who finds these things about me "on an app we use" to give me a chance?  I'm honestly a good guy.  Many thanks.