BillyBoy Again!

[Guest brianrj]

RE: Shirley MacLaine was right all along!

 

Reincarnation is for real - and all these years I doubted her. :-(

 

Well I'm putting in my request now to come back as HungHoney's camera - oh the sights that thing has taken in!

 

(Sorry assmaster - I got it first!)

 

PS: Suggestion for Skeptic's next name: Sybil

[Guest Jake]

RE: Stealth User ID's

 

Hooboy, thanks for confirming what most of us suspected anyway. It's very sad that this individual has so little in his life that he must memorize the postings of others. The frightening part is that he probably walks the streets with no one suspecting how disturbed he really is.

[Guest Jake]

RE: Stealth Promotion

 

Mr. Whomever, the cracks are starting to show. That's exactly what I said: that I misposted again. No need for you to point it out. And, yes, I am the Jake who was raring to go and was ultimately disappointed it the party. Perhaps I should have upped my meds!

[Guest Sybil]

RE: Stealth User ID's

 

What a wonderful idea, Brian!

 

Yes, we are legion! Indeed, despite his bad imitation of Margaret Rutherford as Miss Marple (the image "Hooboy Investigates" always summons up for me), our tireless webmaster/sleuth left out some of my other posting personae. The most notable, of course, was Flabbergasted, and perhaps you'll come up with some others yourselves. (However, if you guess Truth Teller, you'll be wrong. Wonder where he is, though...)

 

Your combined silliness is both amusing and sad. Don't you know that EVERYONE is anonymous on the internet, and that 'real' email addresses are no more real than phony ones? (Never mind AOL. You can get scads of email addresses from Hotmail or Yahoo anytime you want.) As for screen names, who has posted here as himself? You, Jake? Brian, how about you?

 

And what about Hooboy? Just who (or what) is he? Then again, why bother pressing him for his name when he won't even give a straight answer about where he lives? Not that it matters, of course; but it's HE who burbled excitedly and at length about his big New York transfer, so why is he now so vague about the outcome of that plan?

 

Probably because histrionic personalities (and he is a fascinating example of the type) are typically vague about things--especially facts and details as opposed to 'feelings' and 'impressions'--a troublesome trait for someone who's running an information-site that boasts of its objectivity and devotion to the truth.

 

For what it's worth, let me say here and now that I don't 'hate' Hooboy or anyone else who posts to this forum. However, if I think someone is talking nonsense, especially deliberately, I will offer an opinion to that effect, welcoming one and all to agree or disagree with me. The trouble with most who disagree is their seeming inability to argue the matter. Instead, they sputter and fume, cluck indignantly, screech names (see Monopolizer above), and sign off with such devastating put-downs as 'Get a life!'

 

Disappointing, but there it is! I love a good debate, and hissyfits (though entertaining) are not a worthy substitute...

 

Jake, your concern for the quality of my life is much appreciated, so let me assure you that mine is a full, rich existence (on an order perhaps unfathomable by you or Brian), and that one of my fleeting pleasures is mixing it up with all of you here. And, by the way, it doesn't take up as much of my time as you seem to imagine. I type almost as quickly as I think, and so, with the endless supply of identities I have, you may be sure you'll go on hearing from me regularly.

[Guest Shooter]

RE: Stealth User ID's

 

Oh, goodie! Something to look forward to everyday! NOT!

[Guest youngblood]

RE: Stealth User ID's

 

Sybil and all of her aliases just make me want to puke!

[Guest brianrj]

RE: I'd tell you my real name...

 

but then I'd have to kill you. (And though the group here may consider that a blessing, I for one would miss your wit - strange and insensitive as it may be at times.)

 

Now for a few problems I do have with your latest venom:

 

"EVERYONE is anonymous on the internet". According to my dictionary (yes I do own one) anonymous can refer to not knowing someones name or not being able to easily distinguish from one another because of a lack of individual features or character. While I may not know the real names of the participants here - I have certainly come to know some of their screen names quite well. Along with those screen names I do associate certain characteristics (not physical - but personality) that seem to be consistent in their day to day postings. I don't agree then, that they are by definition anonymous. You, by altering your name and attempting to alter your personality - seem to be the primary force seeking some level of anonymity. Why do you change names whenever one of your aliases gets in hot water with the folks here?

 

"real email addresses are no more real than phony ones" You are correct. It is one reason why there are some phony reviews submitted. But, fortunately for me and the rest of us here, HooBoy chooses to try and track them down. And to really blow your mind - I don't really care what his reasons are for doing it - whether altruistic or selfish - I'm just glad that he does make the effort.

 

"As for screen names, who has posted here as himself? You, Jake? Brian, how about you?" Can't speak for Jake, but Brian is not that name I have secretly longed to have, it is my real name. I'm not sure how I could prove it, except to say I think if I was going to make one up I'd do a better job of it.

 

"And what about Hooboy?" Yes, what about him? HooBoy is the name that I have associated with the manager of this web site and the personality that regularly contributes to it. I guess I don't have any great need to know his real name or where he actually lives. But, since you continue to bring it up, please explain why it matters so much to you?

 

"typically vague about things--especially facts and details". You are right. I know if I was running a major web site dedicated to RATING an illegal activity (which is not illegal), I'd have my name plastered over billboards, TV, bumper stickers, etc. NOT!

 

"For what it's worth, let me say here and now that I don't 'hate' Hooboy or anyone else who posts to this forum." Thats great - because I don't know any reason why you should. Never one to back down from a spirited debate, I can certainly come out fighting and still have total respect for the person on the other side. I do respect you - I am finding it hard, at times, to like you. I gave up on hating people along time ago - tends to take up way too much energy that can better be used on other more pleasurable pursuits.

 

"Jake, your concern for the quality of my life is much appreciated, so let me assure you that mine is a full, rich existence (on an order perhaps unfathomable by you or Brian)" Great! I am glad your life has been a full and rich existence. I'll even concede that I may not be able to fathom how full and rich your life is. It would not be because my life has been any less full or rich - it has just been different. It is something that is way too personal to quantify in any meaningful or comparable manner.

 

"I type almost as quickly as I think." Hmmm - I'm not sure if I'd be proud of that or not. (Sorry - a little levity at your expense and I do apologize.)

 

"so, with the endless supply of identities I have, you may be sure you'll go on hearing from me regularly." Go ahead, bring it on. I won't be cracking under the pressure anytime soon.

 

Your clucking and sputtering friend,

brianrj

[Guest Billy]

RE: I'd tell you my real name...

 

Thanks to Skeptic, I no longer need to promote myself. My name seems to be sticking to the top of this message center. Thanks for the free publicity.:-)

[Guest brianrj]

RE: Step right up folks!

 

Why BillyBoy (at http://www.boynxtdr.com) whatever do you mean?

 

Skeptic gets a bit windy on occasion - so once in a while I feel like exhaling back. (Speaking of windy, did you all know that Billy is available in the Windy City - Chicago Illinois - as well as nearby cities without a travelling charge.)

 

I'm sure this last reply I sent him will seal my fate to some sort of written dual. (Speaking of seal - did you all know that BillyBoy has the HooBoy Seal of Approval?)

 

I'll just have to do my best to stay on top of things. (Speaking of top, did you all know that BillyBoy was one of the Top Ten Escorts of the Year?)

 

Oh well, life is never dull under the big top.

 

Sincerely,

 

PT Barnum

[HooBoy]

Stealth BS

 

I go by ONE handle here. It's HooBoy..

 

I would hope that everyone would go by one handle because then we can get to know each other and maintain our anonymity.

 

My email address is published as well as my PO Box. If you're smart you can even get my phone number. I actually posted the city I was in a few days ago, but I took it down because it involved my dying sister and I thought I was too personal. Many people saw it and I appreciate the words of kindness.

 

The sad part is that I took it down because I figured hed4str8, skeptic, digogenese, sybill or whatever the hell his handle is right how, would villify me for being histrionic and I'm really pretty sensitive right now.

 

So he wins. He got to me.

 

I hope he and all his reprehensible personalities are happy now.

 

In case you missed it, I'm in Houston Texas at the MD Anderson Cancer Hospital. And that's why there are not many new reviews today.

 

I apologize for any inconvenience I've caused all of his personalities. I'm sure everyone else understands.

 

HooBoy - hooboy@male4malescorts.com

[Guest Jake]

RE: Stealth User ID's

 

My God, one thing I never expected from you: you've become undeniably boring and sophmoric. BTW, Jake is not my real name, but it's the only one I use here and the email address in my profile is the one on which I receive 90% of my email.

[Guest Shooter]

You crack me up more than I crack me up!

 

LAST EDITED ON Mar-28-00 AT 06:51AM (CST)[p]And you wonder why I missed you! (Speaking of missing, when you go to Billy's web site, don't forget to get on his mailing list or you'll miss out! Hey, it's early! Give me a break!) :-)

[Bilbo]

RE: Stealth User ID's

 

You certainly have my sympathy, HooBoy. Our prayers will be with you. (And, yes, some of us feel that this activity we all talk about, while it is illegal, is not inherently immoral. Though, of course, you don't have to be a saint to have your prayers heard.)

If it is any consolation, and though you no doubt know it already, she is in one of the best places she could be in the nation, hospitalwise.

Love, Bilbo

which I acknowledge is the second name I've gone by here, but I had a major lifestyle change

[Guest Sybil]

RE: Stealth User ID's

 

I guess this is the most appropriate ID to use in a group answer to the posts immediately above.

 

After warning Shooter that using the 'NOT!' bit dates him in a particularly tacky way, and urging Youngblood not to whoops all over that lovely frock he wore to the Black do at Roseland, let me pass on to the others--some of whom actually had something to say.

 

Billy & Billyphiles: why can't you understand that I make no objection at all to escorts being promoted here (even by themselves) as long as it's upfront & not disguised as something else? Come on! Is that so hard to grasp? To make it even clearer: I don't begrudge BillyBoy any publicity he can legitimately get--even attention brought on by my writing negatively about him in this thread or elsewhere. So Billy's just being a silly-billy by gloating over it, while spoiling his normal MM-little-girl-whispering pose with a mewing timbre even Aaron Lawrence manages to avoid in answering his critics.

 

This just in:

 

BILLY BOY IS THE TWINK OF YOUR DREAMS!

 

See, even I, your merciless critic, will post a plug for you, dear. Why not? Shouldn't twinks connect with twink-lovers? Isn't that one reason for this site being here? To each his own, no?

 

Yes, but it's not here for escorts to post their own reviews; or for Tom Weise of Rentboy to wear the civilian disguise of 'tommyweiss' while posting supposedly disinterested suggestions of whom to hire (a bit of deceit Hooboy put his tacit OK on); or for "Escort of the Year" winners to be proclaimed in a 'competition' that was decided on little more than royal (i.e. webmaster) fiat; or for legit reviews to be challenged or cast into doubt(and even yanked)on all manner of shifty pretexts when they personally discomfit the allegedly impartial editor; or--as this whole thread was begun to posit--for Billy to 'share' with us a promo masquerading as a letter from a troubled and caring post-teen escort.

 

Now, Brian, I'm glad you admit to finding some pleasure in reading what I write; and, in fact, a lot of what I say is meant to entertain as much as criticize. But let me remind you that, despite what you say, NO ONE here ever truly, fully yields up his real identity (even inadvertantly)--nor does he need to--whether posting under one name or many. If I post under several IDs (for whatever reason), how is that any more 'deceptive' than someone who consistently uses the same mask over and over? Explain please, and very precisely, the difference. As for Bilbo, I salute his candor, while suggesting there are many more out there with multiple IDs than with monomonikers; and, as far as I'm concerned, they can use as many as they please. All excerises in fantasy & imagination should be encouraged (except where money is to change hands).

 

Returning to Brian, why do you say I switch names when I get into 'hot water' with another poster? Please come up with an instance of that. In fact, it's the lack of true counter-argument here that frustrates me. Have I been truly, decisively refuted without realizing it? As far as I remember, I haven't run away from any debate I've started or entered in this forum, and my varied names come and go according to my changing moods and the subject under discussion. Note, please, that the current crop co-exist: one hasn't 'replaced' the other. Some fall by the wayside for no reason at all; and if I 'revive' Mefisto soon, as I'm thinking of doing, it will be a move no more 'motivated' than that.

 

If you're still in an explaining mood, please spell out the joke you intended to make regarding my thinking/typing speed. (I know that humor is notoriously hard to 'explain,' but give it a try.)

 

Finally, the misunderstood issue of Hooboy's whereabouts. Like you, I couldn't care less where he lives (there's nothing wrong with Vernal, Utah, if that's where it is or was); but I do care if he claims, as he did in his puzzling Donnie Osmond tale, that he's never even BEEN in the state--IF that turns out to be untrue. And the reason why that's important is too obvious to explain. You know, 'false in one...'

 

But, as is his wont, Hooboy again side-steps the real issue by means of diversion. And while the histrionic quality of his current personal disclosure is (as he himself well understood) very much in evidence, he's not going to lure me into going THERE, thank you!

 

Actually the issue of H's whereabouts fascinates me on many levels, but he himself has invited this scrutiny over the months: so many tales of being forced to manage the site from a plane, bewildering stuff about mail drops in Houston, or needing to be closer to NYC sponsors (why exactly?), the desperate flight from death-threats (never alluded to again), and a memorable series of cancelled weekend flights to Chicago that made him rival Rosa Lopez in frequency of changed travel plans.

 

In any case, it's fun to hear from you all. As to those whose day is ruined by reading anything I have to say, I can offer no consolation, choosing to leave it up to the many purveyors of net-talk cliches who frequent this site to pipe up with the bit about the delete button.

[HooBoy]

RE: Stealth User ID's

 

Why do I even attempt to assauge this guy?

 

I have never been to Vernal Utah. I do not even know where it is. I have been to Salt Lake at the airport once - that story was told. That is the only time I have been in Utah.

 

If I have a Fax number registered there its because I subscribe to J-Fax - a free fax service and maybe that's where they are located. I do not know. But it's really none of your business.

 

So what if I fly around the country? Maybe I have a job that requires it. It is not unusual for me to upload this site from an airplane. Unless you become an investor in this site, it is none of your business.

 

HooBoy

Honest In Our Judgments & Truthful In Our Reporting (except for Hed4str8, Stella, et al

[Bilbo]

RE: Stealth User ID's

 

Bear in mind that there is nothing so not funny as a joke explained. That said, the barb of this joke was that your typing comment might be taken either of two ways: 1. That you type extremely fast or 2. That you think extremely slowly.

[Bilbo]

RE: Stealth User ID's

 

PS - This thought just in (So obviously my posting finger is faster than my mind.), if you want to have your cogent ideas answered directly, why don't you try numbering them?

Then you could say something like, "Well! I see that no one has addressed #31. Could it be that you agree with me on that one?"

This would also help you, perhaps, keep from bringing back up old numbers after they had once been answered thoroughly unless you came up with a new angle on it in which case you might say, "Sorry to bring up #007 from that third thread about BillyBoy again, but has it occurred to you that it could be looked at this way, ..."

To quote Carl Sagan, "Scientists often say 'That's a really good argument, my position is mistaken.' Then they actually change their minds, and you never hear that old view from them again. I cannot recall the last time this happened in politics."

[Guest Skeptic]

RE: Stealth User ID's

 

I suppose this is the appropriate ID to use in responding to a Hooboy explanation. But, in fact, I have no reason to doubt his roundabout connection to Utah. It's probably just as well for all of us that he's not actually running M4M out of that state after all. I understand they're cracking down on the sex industry these days.

 

I see, though, that once again I have to remind our esteemed host that I never claimed the matter of his whereabouts was any of my business--not even if he's uploading billets-doux from Billy on Air Force One. The issue was and is his veracity in general. (Mind you, he certainly invites speculation about his own personal life by a seemingly compulsive need to 'confide' things we posters normally wouldn't need to know. But the histrionic will always edge toward stage center as a matter of course.)

 

The bit about becoming an 'investor' in this site is somewhat ominous. But, given the option, I think I'd pass--at least while its fortunes are in the hands of someone who can rack up a $4,000 bill to a supplier without even knowing it.

 

An aside to Youngblood: sorry about making it sound as if you'd been at the Black Party, when, in fact, you were merely quizzing Regina about it.

I must speak to Sybil about such sloppy research!

 

(Sybil, by the way, would like to know all about 'free fax service.' Sounds good. She'd also like to know who Stella is.)

[Traveller]

RE: Stealth User ID's

 

Vernal, Utah is dinosaurland, and the verbiage on Sybil's postings is beyond ridiculous. If he spent as much time taking it up the ass as he does typing, we'd all be better off. Remember the chant..sex, drugs and rock and roll, in any order or combo. You only have a limited time to get off, and there's a cornucopia of men out there waiting for action. Drop an E, drop your pants and drop the attitude. You might actually have some fun.

[Guest red]

RE: Stealth User ID's

 

Sybil, Skeptic, Diogenes etc: My day is certainly not ruined by your pungent (albeit cranky) ruminations. I find them vastly entertaining, and worth the price of admission. I do disagree with you, though, on the use of multiple i.d.'s. The main value of this site for me is its "consumer reports" character---which escorts are likely to fit my needs and least likely to rip me off? After awhile, I can tell from the reviews and "deli" comments, whose judgment I can probably trust. You, for example, apparently like big, straight-appearing "trade" types. Although my first two escort experiences were with very talented "smooth" swimmer types, I am now leaning towards trying more testosterone-enhanced guys. If you were to stay with one i.d., at least when commenting on escorts you've been with, it would make it easier to figure out where and how our interests are the same. This is a benefit for me, and may well be helpful for others. What do you think?

[Guest brianrj]

RE: A response for Sybil

 

Hello Syb,

 

Your response, as requested:

 

"Now, Brian, I'm glad you admit to finding some pleasure in reading what I write" I've admitted that to your other identities as well - just feel that a person with such a flair for writing could use their talents to accomplish the same thing without the harassment and condescension.

 

"NO ONE here ever truly, fully yields up his real identity (even inadvertantly)--nor does he need to--whether posting under one name or many." If you are suggesting that I (and others here) have not provided our real, full, legal name - you are correct. In another forum, that might be possible, but not in this one - for what I hope would be obvious reasons. I would counter, however, that my name is only that - it is not my identity. It is what people use to identify me, but it hardly provides any more insight into me than a picture would. Both provide a way to distinguish me from others (though I know one other person, at least, with the same full name) but neither the name nor the picture reveal much about who I am. I guess it comes down to varying definitions of what an identity is.

 

"If I post under several IDs (for whatever reason), how is that any more 'deceptive' than someone who consistently uses the same mask over and over?" First let me point out that you did not bother to answer my question of why you feel the need to post under different names, unless the "changing moods" thing was it. Are you really that moody? That said, I'll take a stab at your question at hand: You had - at one time - established your identity (admittedly by my definition - not yours) under the name Hed4Str8 (as an example). Hed4Str8 starts out fairly benign but eventually begins to create quite a stir. Then as things really get hot, he vows never to contribute again. (Remember the fat lady sings exchange?) Another identity (can't remember the name) shows up soon after, that "knows" Hed4Str8 and responds to a message on his behalf, as he is never going to participate again. Now I'm not sure if that other identity was you - but even if it wasn't - you are obviously back again - even after the vow of silence. I'm not sure about you, but I guess I consider that deceptive.

 

"As for Bilbo" - Ahh yes, Bilbo - those persons who were participating would have noticed that Bilbo announced his name change. (I believe specifically to Regina - but for everyone to see if they chose to.) He also responded to Shooter's inquiry - so I don't see the deception. Contrast that with your many name changes, without warning.

 

"they can use as many (IDs) as they please" - No argument there - nothing at this point would prevent that. Fortunately not many seem to be too interested in forcing schizophrenia upon themselves to have multimonikers.

 

"Returning to Brian, why do you say I switch names when I get into 'hot water' with another poster? Please come up with an instance of that. In fact, it's the lack of true counter-argument here that

frustrates me. Have I been truly, decisively refuted without realizing it?" Oh, Sybil - just refer to the fat lady sings exchange mentioned above. Yes, I believe the thread is gone, but the memory is still there. Were you refuted - I don't know. My whole effort through that sad exchange was to try to convince you to "play nice". Instead you purpoted to leave the sandbox. Now I find you just slipped on another mask (or 2 or 3...)

 

"If you're still in an explaining mood, please spell out the joke you intended to make regarding my thinking/typing speed." Yeah that was a bit of a stretch, I suppose, but my thought was that the human brain processes more information, in tandem, than the fastest computers. By you stating that you could type at the speed of your thoughts, and knowing that even a fast typist is not going to outpace the fastest computer, made me think your brain would be functioning a bit slow. Oh well, if it wasn't funny I'll have to skip the career in comedy.

 

"Hooboy's whereabouts" Yada, yada, yada. Oh I know you'll hate that and it probably also dates me to some tacky period in human history, but I still am not sure what to think about this subject. You couldn't care less and yet it fascinates you on so many levels. Which is it? Beyond that, and excluding the flight from death threats - which I did not see - I don't see why it is so out of the realm of possibility to believe that he 1) lived somewhere other than NY; 2) is moving to NY; 3) tried to go to Chicago a couple times but had to cancel his plans; 4) is in Houston temporarily and 5) hasn't been to Vernal, Utah. I'm not sure I see any mutual exclusivity of any of these statements. I also don't know why any person here has to prove where they are. If you believe them, fine. If you don't, that is fine too. It doesn't matter.

 

"BILLY BOY IS THE TWINK OF YOUR DREAMS!" From Sybil's mouth (or fingers at the speed of light) to Gods ears. I'd go on about Billy - but you just said it better than I ever could. Billy - put that direct quote on the cover of your new brochure and be sure to give credit to Sybil.

 

Again, your clucking and sputtering friend,

brianrj

[Guest brianrj]

RE: Free fax service

 

Try http://www.efax.com or http://www.jfax.com (or do a search on Yahoo.) They work quite well, but through internet email typically. Also, unless you are willing to pay you don't get to chose a local number - as HooBoy pointed out.

 

See, all ya gotta do is ask nicely.

[Guest brianrj]

RE: Stealth User ID's

 

Thanks, Bilbo, you are correct. If I ever go the comedy route, I'll have to fly you in for opening night. At least one person in the audience might laugh!

 

Hope things are going well for you nowadays.

 

A big hug to you.

[Guest Billy]

RE: A response for Sybil

 

I've been known to visit this site as an escort and as a client. Since I hire Escorts and am hired by clients, I am both. When I post as a client, it is NON promotional, but only to serve as a contributor like the rest of the clients here. done.

[Guest Shooter]

I thought it was funny!

 

Hey, brianrj, you spend an lot of time and effort posting well composed, logical responses to this really nice guy (to amuse him--NOT!) but I can certainly think of better ways to burn that energy! ;-)

 

I did think it was funny! As soon as I read it, I conjured up this picture of a guy typing with one finger, one letter every 3 minutes!