+ Vegas_Millennial Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 16 hours ago, Becket said: Words change with usage and time of course. Gay was "happy." Queer was "unusual or odd." They were perfectly fine words used all the time. So, using the old definitions, I am both gay and queer. I also sleep with men. Exactly! Isn't it queer that homosexuals would choose a word to describe them that focuses on their differences from society, rather than just trying to be gay! Life is too short to be anything other than happy 😊 Edited June 9 by Vegas_Millennial + Lucky, + APPLE1 and Becket 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ José Soplanucas Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 I find interesting that the same guys whining about woke intolerance, cannot accept that some of us may understand queer not like them. pubic_assistance, Danny-Darko and Marc in Calif 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbilly17 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Bi/pan though I can only see myself having a relationship with a woman. pubic_assistance and + Vegas_Millennial 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monarchy79 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) On 6/8/2024 at 8:13 PM, Manhattan said: others have the right to judge, hate, and insult me. Freedom is for everyone, but it's not easy or polite To quote the boxing legend, Mike Tyson: ”Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth”. I wouldn’t say that everyone has the “right” to be cruel to others. Rights are something that people are entitled to, based on enlightened standards that makes humans the most civilized, developed living species. With that said …. IMO, the nastiness that people impose on others aren’t “rights” but is the use (more like abuse) of their FREE WILL, which comes with necessary consequences. So in turn, someone may FEEL that they have the “right” to abuse their free will and call me a slur, based on my sexual orientation or race…. But I also have the opportunity to use my free will and go upside their head and beat the crap out of them. Nastiness and being disgusting towards others isn’t a “right”. It’s a degenerate use of free will, glossed over with the false sense of “rights.” Edited June 11 by Monarchy79 + Charlie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caramelsub Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) I’m personally fine with identifying as homosexual or gay. Being a millennial I do remember the word queer being used as an insult, in my youth. And of course the word gay was thrown around all the time in middle and high school, as a substitute for lame, or stupid, or something sucks. I’m glad things are changing with today’s youth. Edited June 11 by caramelsub Danny-Darko, + Vegas_Millennial and + APPLE1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ nycman Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 10 hours ago, Monarchy79 said: So in turn, someone may FEEL that they have the “right” to abuse their free will and call me a slur, based on my sexual orientation or race…. But I also have the opportunity to use my free will and go upside their head and beat the crap out of them. The right to free speech and acts of physical violence are two completely separate things. They are often confused and it can easily lead to unfortunate outcomes. In the above scenario, you’d be spending a lot more time in jail and paying a much bigger penalty than the mouthy homophobe/racist. Not because of "systematic homophobia/racism in our justice system", but because you didn’t understand the basic difference between actions and words. In my world, you can say whatever you want. But touch me?…and you’re gonna get fucked up. Manhattan, + Charlie and + APPLE1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthOfTheBorder Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 10 hours ago, Monarchy79 said: But I also have the opportunity to use my free will and go upside their head and beat the crap out of them. learning to walk-away from stupid people or situations is worthwhile Danny-Darko, + Vegas_Millennial, + APPLE1 and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monarchy79 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 8 hours ago, nycman said: The right to free speech and acts of physical violence are two completely separate things. They are often confused and it can easily lead to unfortunate outcomes. In the above scenario, you’d be spending a lot more time in jail and paying a much bigger penalty than the mouthy homophobe/racist. Not because of "systematic homophobia/racism in our justice system", but because you didn’t understand the basic difference between actions and words. In my world, you can say whatever you want. But touch me?…and you’re gonna get fucked up. I think that people have forgotten that one can be charged and even sued for verbal abuse. Danny-Darko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ nycman Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 6 minutes ago, Monarchy79 said: I think that people have forgotten that one can be charged and even sued for verbal abuse. Any attorney will tell you that "charged" and "sued" are a million miles away from "convicted". Verbal abuse in and of itself is not a crime. If the verbal abuse veers into threats of bodily harm, that’s another matter. But it’s a well established fact that merely calling someone a "f-ggot" is not a crime. Yes, I’m an ardent defender of the 1st amendment, even when it hurts. Marc in Calif, Manhattan, Monarchy79 and 7 others 3 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ José Soplanucas Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, nycman said: Yes, I’m an ardent defender of the 1st amendment, even when it hurts. I have no doubts about offensive language. But the challenges of regulating freedom of speech are complicated, specially in the global cloud era. I think most people would agree that inciting to physical violence or crimes should not be allowed. But how do we manage disinformation? So I am also an ardent defender of the 1st amendment, depending on how much it hurts. thomas and + nycman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monarchy79 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 3 hours ago, nycman said: Yes, I’m an ardent defender of the 1st amendment, even when it hurts. You are a defender of the underbelly of human nature. That’s not good. Never evoke fairness onto the foul or the rotten. Edited June 12 by Monarchy79 Lotus-eater and Manhattan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 11 hours ago, José Soplanucas said: how do we manage disinformation? First you need to separate facts from opinions. Facebook routinely filters out "inconvenient facts" as misinformation. Allowng anyone to manage your information is historically, a dangerous game. Danny-Darko and + nycman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ José Soplanucas Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said: First you need to separate facts from opinions. Facebook routinely filters out "inconvenient facts" as misinformation. Allowng anyone to manage your information is historically, a dangerous game. That is precisely why I highlight this challenge. It is easy to say that we should separate facts from opinions, but not so easy to actually do it. + Charlie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudynate Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 On 10/15/2023 at 10:41 AM, wsc said: I appreciate the instruction. Sometimes my aging brain makes connections with the wrong data points. Also, an archaic meaning for "fa--ot" is a bundle of firewood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ José Soplanucas Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rudynate said: Also, an archaic meaning for "fa--ot" is a bundle of firewood. I may need to apologize to my neighbor for calling them homophobe after they told me they would drop some fa--ots on a fire. Edited June 12 by José Soplanucas + Charlie, thomas, marylander1940 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhattan Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 16 hours ago, Monarchy79 said: You are a defender of the underbelly of human nature. That’s not good. Never evoke fairness onto the foul or the rotten. That's the point of free speech, it protects speech we hate as well as speech we love. Most of society used to think that homosexuality represented the underbelly of human nature. Fortunately, some people defended us. Danny-Darko, + APPLE1, + nycman and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 57 minutes ago, Manhattan said: That's the point of free speech, it protects speech we hate as well as speech we love. Most of society used to think that homosexuality represented the underbelly of human nature. Fortunately, some people defended us. Yes! And isn't it queer that the people who now benefit from the undesirable speech of the past which defended us, now want to be the first to tell others how to change their language? Ironically strange indeed. Manhattan, Lotus-eater, + nycman and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 and proud of it! Marc in Calif, Danny-Darko and + Vegas_Millennial 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 23 hours ago, nycman said: Any attorney will tell you that "charged" and "sued" are a million miles away from "convicted". Verbal abuse in and of itself is not a crime. If the verbal abuse veers into threats of bodily harm, that’s another matter. But it’s a well established fact that merely calling someone a "f-ggot" is not a crime. Yes, I’m an ardent defender of the 1st amendment, even when it hurts. Me too, unless is a threat. I'm a proud member of Pink Pistols Maryland chapter, so far, I only had to wave my gun once in Hagerstown to save a friend of mine from being mugged by a pack of rednecks. Edited June 12 by marylander1940 Danny-Darko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc in Calif Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 7 hours ago, Rudynate said: Also, an archaic meaning for "fa--ot" is a bundle of firewood. That's why the Italians call the bassoon a fa gotto and the Germans call it fa got. The archaic English and French word fa got (14th century) meant "bundle of sticks." + Charlie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus-eater Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 (edited) Queer is also associated with postmodern language/power games that queer big bad binaries. They seem to think that they have amassed enough power to continue to play their tedious language games without the protection of free speech rights. They're wrong as usual. ETA: 80%+ of people who identify as queer are middle-class females (desperately trying to be hip). I see no reason to categorize myself with people with whom I have virtually nothing in common. Edited June 13 by Lotus-eater MassageConneisseur, + Vegas_Millennial, Marc in Calif and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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