Luv2play Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Today’s Globe & Mail reports that 21 new cases of mpox have been reported in Toronto since the start of 2024 compared to only 27 in all of last year. Only 2 of these involved international travel. Again men who have sex with men are the ones contracting the disease. Health officials said only 16 percent of those who got vaccinated in 2022 received a second dose. Two vaccinations 28 days apart was the recommended dosage. There have been smaller outbreaks in Ottawa and New York but less so in Montreal. In 2022 Montreal was the Canadian epicentre of the disease. I got my 2 shots but will now start asking providers about their vax status once again, having stopped a year or so ago. TorontoDrew, pubic_assistance, Vulgarii and 3 others 2 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 30 minutes ago, Luv2play said: I got my 2 shots but will now start asking providers about their vax status once again, having stopped a year or so ago. If you received your two smallpox vaccinations, won't the vaccines protect you? If so, then why ask others about their vaccinations? It's like asking the bottom to wear a condom when the top is already wearing one. It might make you feel safer, but it's irrelevant. And if you're not confident the smallpox vaccines will protect you from monkeypox, then why should those same vaccines taken by another person protect you any better? It's a wonder gay men ever hooked up 20 years ago prior to the chickenpox vaccine... It was so risky! marylander1940 and Vulgarii 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBillybob Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) Like-with-like vaccination mixing affects infection breakthrough attack rates. Obviously, if vaccinated person A has 80% reduction in infection risk then the risk to vaccinated person B similarly possessing the benefit of 80% efficacy is less than if A is unvaccinated and had had zero risk reduction at point of A-B contact. Same with HIV PrEP, etc. Edited March 21 by SirBillybob + APPLE1, Vulgarii, marylander1940 and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 4 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said: If you received your two smallpox vaccinations, won't the vaccines protect you? If so, then why ask others about their vaccinations? It's like asking the bottom to wear a condom when the top is already wearing one. It might make you feel safer, but it's irrelevant. And if you're not confident the smallpox vaccines will protect you from monkeypox, then why should those same vaccines taken by another person protect you any better? It's a wonder gay men ever hooked up 20 years ago prior to the chickenpox vaccine... It was so risky! Extra precaution! Vaccines are a good thing but they're not 100% effective! Edited March 21 by marylander1940 Vulgarii and Luv2play 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 2 hours ago, marylander1940 said: Extra precaution! Vaccines are a good thing but they're not 100% effective! I guess I'm just a bigger risk taker than most men here. I'll let someone blow me without asking for a certified copy of their vaccination records and same-day lab results. MikeBiDude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said: I guess I'm just a bigger risk taker than most men here. I'll let someone blow me without asking for a certified copy of their vaccination records and same-day lab results. I've never asked for lab results. All human actions involve some form of risk including sex. It's up to us to make choices. I BB before the HIV epidemy and after PrEP was proven to be effective. I never took the risk of HIV's Russian roulette that's why I'm alive. Edited March 21 by marylander1940 + Vegas_Millennial and Quincy_7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ APPLE1 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 On 3/21/2024 at 12:54 PM, marylander1940 said: xtra precaution! Vaccines are a good thing but they're not 100% effective! And social pressure can be a great motivator for knowledge AND vaccination. So, asking partners, even if it isn't a limiting factor, is a good thing! Vulgarii 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ APPLE1 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Besides @Vegas_Millennial it is easier for you! You are blessed to love those hardy Midwestern boys. No matter their age, if they have pulled enough tits, they already have exposure immunity to smallpox! (in case anyone wonders, that's anecdotal levity) + Vegas_Millennial, Luv2play and mike carey 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luv2play Posted April 19 Author Share Posted April 19 On the local radio news last evening it was reported there are now 4 active cases of Mpox in Ottawa, which has a relatively small gay community. They do get quite a few visiting providers from larger centres though such as Montreal and Toronto. Something to keep an eye on as many gay men failed to get the full vaccinations when they were offered two years ago. I think many just thought the epidemic went away and wasn’t something to be concerned about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Tygerscent Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 On 3/21/2024 at 6:12 AM, Luv2play said: Today’s Globe & Mail reports that 21 new cases of mpox have been reported in Toronto since the start of 2024 compared to only 27 in all of last year. Only 2 of these involved international travel. Again men who have sex with men are the ones contracting the disease. Health officials said only 16 percent of those who got vaccinated in 2022 received a second dose. Two vaccinations 28 days apart was the recommended dosage. There have been smaller outbreaks in Ottawa and New York but less so in Montreal. In 2022 Montreal was the Canadian epicentre of the disease. I got my 2 shots but will now start asking providers about their vax status once again, having stopped a year or so ago. 16% globally only got the first vax or are we talking one or several specific locations~? Interestingly, enough, I was in London when monkeypox was breaking out in 2022. They had clinics set up and I was going to get my shot there but, I also was due to arrive back into the states before being able to get the second dosage. I was concerned that the vaccination would not be available in the states. Once back in the states, it was sadly true that the vaccination go high and demand, was in low supply, and it’s administration of what was available was relatively disorganized. Living close to the border, I quickly organize the trip to Canada, but, having been in London, and Playful there and also being a provider, I actually was able to qualify for vaccination in the states after fulfilling the lengthy requirement of being tested for both Covid and monkeypox. After testing negative for both of those, I was eligible and went ahead to receive my vaccinations but, the process, and the management of those vaccinations was rather disorganized and confusing. I can see where individuals would be bewildered as to where, how and when to get their second shot~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luv2play Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 Quebec was very organized and took the lead amongst provinces in Canada. I went to Montreal to get my first shot and they sent an email reminder for the second shot. They also didn’t raise any issues about qualifying and basically gave it to any gay man wanting it. And from anywhere. There were lots of Americans at the clinic in the Gay Village who came up to Montreal expressly to get it. marylander1940 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ APPLE1 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Locally for me, the first vaccination involved jumping through some hoops. For the second dose, it was seamless. An email saying "time to schedule your 2nd dose. Click here for appt times." If my memory is correct, I recall cities or states in the US where, because of the shortage, the controlling health dept opted to ONLY give one dose to most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 On 4/24/2024 at 9:38 PM, Luv2play said: Quebec was very organized and took the lead amongst provinces in Canada. I went to Montreal to get my first shot and they sent an email reminder for the second shot. They also didn’t raise any issues about qualifying and basically gave it to any gay man wanting it. And from anywhere. There were lots of Americans at the clinic in the Gay Village who came up to Montreal expressly to get it. Luv2play 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutella Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 smallpox vaccine from the past won't do anything against mpox, if you are MSM you should get your 2 mpox vaxxs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 9 minutes ago, Nutella said: smallpox vaccine from the past won't do anything against mpox, if you are MSM you should get your 2 mpox vaxxs On the contrary, the smallpox vaccine is the BEST method to protect against monkeypox. Smallpox vaccines can protect against monkeypox, and U.S. has 100 million doses WWW.NBCNEWS.COM Two FDA-approved vaccines for smallpox are in the Strategic National Stockpile, one of many reasons this... If someone received two doses of smallpox vaccine in 2022/2023, there is no evidence they need yet another vaccine just because the virus changed names from monkeypox to mpox. There is no "mpox" vaccine. It's a smallpox vaccine. Nutella 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBillybob Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) On 8/26/2024 at 3:00 PM, Nutella said: smallpox vaccine from the past won't do anything against mpox, if you are MSM you should get your 2 mpox vaxxs I didn’t use +1 agree because the first part is not accurate in its finality and the second 2-dose part is also not accurate in the context of historical vaccinia inoculation. However, the simplest guidance is two Mpox vaccinations using MVA-BN, 3rd generation orthopox vaccine, because the association between humoral immunity (antibody titres from MVA-BN, whether historically primed or not by vaccinia that had eradicated Smallpox) and Mpox protection is not established. However, yes, you received Mpox vaccination if you took Jynneos, Imvamune, or Imnavex from 2022 on. Smallpox protection is moot short of a reverse time travel pod. MVA-BN theoretically provides real life protection against a disease that no longer exists, but is authorized for a possible eventual emergence of it. It is essentially a back-up contingency for Smallpox and its effectiveness would only be assessable if Smallpox incidence swung back. It has been used for uptake among lab workers potentially exposed to the broader orthopox virus class. In fact, the parent product, MVA, was briefly considered as a Smallpox pre-vaccine aimed at attenuating the toxicity of earlier generation vaccination but didn’t get off the ground. All we really know is that if Smallpox (variola virus) re-emerged then MVA-BN would probably be protective along with fewer adverse events. Current research differentiates between Smallpox vaccination and Mpox vaccination because antibody titres against Mpox are the important thing. For decades, the interest has been developing vaccination for outbreaks of Mpox, formerly Monkeypox but name-changed due to lack of specificity of primates as the sole disease-vector mammals to which zoonotic transmission is attributable. Edited August 28 by SirBillybob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBillybob Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) On 8/26/2024 at 3:12 PM, Vegas_Millennial said: If someone received two doses of smallpox vaccine in 2022/2023, there is no evidence they need yet another vaccine just because the virus changed names from monkeypox to mpox. There is no "mpox" vaccine. It's a smallpox vaccine. Actually, there is lacking evidence of the prophylactic value of a follow-up 3rd Mpox vaccination because there is insufficient current incidence of Clade IIb to determine whether greater protection would be conferred by an additional dose. A two-year follow-up booster dose is offered in Canada to lab workers at high risk of orthopox occupational exposure. This is based on evidence of waning humoral immunity and the idea that boosting may be restorative for antibody levels. The number of vaccinated GBMSM at risk for current MPox exposure some years on may actually exceed the occupational exposure protected class. It is hoped that cell-mediated immunity compensates for humoral immunity decay. Edited August 28 by SirBillybob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 43 minutes ago, SirBillybob said: ...humoral immunity decay This sounds like someone losing resistance to laughter 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBillybob Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said: This sounds like someone losing resistance to laughter 😂 I think my own extreme resistance to laughing with is set up externally, while any and all resistance to laughing at is long lost. Edited August 28 by SirBillybob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyDown Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 The outbreak of a more severe M-pox strain spreading in Democratic Republic of Congo, is cause for international concern according to Doctors Without Borders and the WHO Websites. Here is a CBS news report from Chicago. The doctor recommended the vaccine if in the risk group criteria defined by the CDC. The doctor also defined the current risk as low. I expect she meant the risk to viewers in the Chicago area. WHO declares mpox global health emergency. What should you know? WWW.CBSNEWS.COM The World Health Organization has declared mpox a global public health emergency for the second time in two years. Dr. Shivanjali... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 54 minutes ago, TonyDown said: The outbreak of a more severe M-pox strain... Is Mpox more severe than Monkeypox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike carey Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 4 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said: Is Mpox more severe than Monkeypox? It's the same disease, the name was changed. 'Monkeypox' implied incorrectly that monkeys were the principal wild reservoir of the virus. In that respect it differs from avian influenza and 'swine flu'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyDown Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 7 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said: Is Mpox more severe than Monkeypox? There is a more severe strain spreading, with higher morbidity vs. the 2022 outbreak. Monkeypox was the name 1st used but has been replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monarchy79 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Does anyone remember when international travel required specific vaccinations? When I was a kid, I was part of an exchange program, and spent about a month in Kenya. I could have sworn I had to get a series of vaccinations, but I can’t remember. This was around 1992. Then I remember working for a company around 2002, and my boss had to take a business was trip to India, and she discussed all the shots she had to get. It seems like in current times, people can travel the globe, without any precautionary vaccinations, which seems to easily spread multiple diseases? Why did this requirement change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luv2play Posted September 7 Author Share Posted September 7 Back in March when I started this thread there had been 21 cases of Mpox in Toronto from the start of the year. Now the figure is 133 cases as of Aug. 24. Montreal on the other hand has only seen 9 cases. In 2022 Montreal was the epicentre in Canada for Mpox. But more Montreal gay men got vaccinated than in Toronto, especially taking the second shot. These numbers may seem low but in the gay community in Toronto, I imagine people are starting to hear about friends or acquaintances getting sick. Sex workers are at high risk of catching the disease. Good thing to ask about Mpox vax status these days. I do see a minority of RM providers mention it in their ads. More should do so if they had had the shots. Nutella 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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