Hiring in UAE — Dubai and Abu Dhabi

[Andyj]

Hey guys 

Need to get your advice about how safe or dangerous it is to hire in the UAE, including Dubai and Abu Dhabi  

I know homosexuality is illegal there, and I assumed it was too dangerous to hire  given the penalties for getting caught  

But I see lots of ads for providers in both cities  and am now wondering if it’s more of a “don’t ask / don’t tell” situation where things are ok as long as you’re discreet  

Thoughts guys?!?

 

 

[soloyo215]

Can't give any personal insights, but I found this:

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WWW.NSWP.ORG

Lots of info about female prostitution, but very little about male escorts. Only ptopaganda about getting jail and similar things. Seems like it's like USA in the 70s.

[56harrisond]

Not exactly answering your questions, but a related discussion:

 

[wanderlust307]

Be district and you'll be fine.

[MadHatter]

And discreet.  

[wanderlust307]

15 minutes ago, MadHatter said:

And discreet.  

🤣

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

We've had this convo here before, multiple times, both pro and con.

Use the search function for the long threads.  They're all there.

[jeezifonly]

What escapes me completely is the appeal of these locations in evaluating risk/reward ratio. 
Is either location offering more than their official tourism sites describe? It’s 16hr flight from LA. 

I can visit desert, theme parks and high-end retail on one tank of gas, without fear of reprisal for being myself. I’m sure there are unique experiences to be had, would love to know what they might be. 

 

[Enronnja]

13 minutes ago, jeezifonly said:

What escapes me completely is the appeal of these locations in evaluating risk/reward ratio. 
Is either location offering more than their official tourism sites describe? It’s 16hr flight from LA. 

I can visit desert, theme parks and high-end retail on one tank of gas, without fear of reprisal for being myself. I’m sure there are unique experiences to be had, would love to know what they might be. 

 

Its just not on my bucket list of places I want to visit: its hot, expensive and super conservative. But of course, there are rich natives and ex-pats living there who insulate themselves with money from persecution. But not everyone has the same luck and those providers are likely untouchable due to their association with the wealthy elite there. Doesn't mean you traveling there will be afforded the same courtesy.

[marylander1940]

11 hours ago, Andyj said:

Hey guys 

Need to get your advice about how safe or dangerous it is to hire in the UAE, including Dubai and Abu Dhabi  

I know homosexuality is illegal there, and I assumed it was too dangerous to hire  given the penalties for getting caught  

But I see lots of ads for providers in both cities  and am now wondering if it’s more of a “don’t ask / don’t tell” situation where things are ok as long as you’re discreet  

Thoughts guys?!?

 

 

Looks like you're too concerned about actually doing it. Never been there but I would keep it in my pants and hire somewhere else

[carolus]

UAE allows a haram city. I guess the tax money is worth it! Not sure what the appeal of Dubai is. Seems superficial and something only online influencers push to look cool or seem they have clout. 

 

 

[Whippoorwill]

There's an old saying..."when something is absolutely prohibited, it is absolutely available". And from my experience, that is absolutely true of gay sex in the UAE. Dubai is the second busiest airport in the world; in 2022, there were 87 million on/off boardings at Dubai airport and over 17 million overnight stays in Dubai. Abu Dhabi is somewhat less but still substantial. And as we all know, gay hotel staff and airline crew are legion, and they are all single immigrants. In addition there is the Emerati population, and among moslems, limited mixing of the sexes in public.

Do the math.

Having lived and worked in a moslem country, they do not pay any more attention to their priests and government that we do. Gay men are traveling to Dubai from all over the moslem world for sex. You just have to act reasonably discrete in public. It's not that hard. While I have been fully out of the closet for decades, I am not pawing guys on the sidewalk, except in San Francisco's Castro, Palm Springs, P-Town, Key West, Mardi Gras in New Orleans, etc. 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

3 hours ago, Whippoorwill said:

There's an old saying..."when something is absolutely prohibited, it is absolutely available". And from my experience, that is absolutely true of gay sex in the UAE. Dubai is the second busiest airport in the world; in 2022, there were 87 million on/off boardings at Dubai airport and over 17 million overnight stays in Dubai. Abu Dhabi is somewhat less but still substantial. And as we all know, gay hotel staff and airline crew are legion, and they are all single immigrants. In addition there is the Emerati population, and among moslems, limited mixing of the sexes in public.

Do the math.

Having lived and worked in a moslem country, they do not pay any more attention to their priests and government that we do. Gay men are traveling to Dubai from all over the moslem world for sex. You just have to act reasonably discrete in public. It's not that hard. While I have been fully out of the closet for decades, I am not pawing guys on the sidewalk, except in San Francisco's Castro, Palm Springs, P-Town, Key West, Mardi Gras in New Orleans, etc. 

This is the only post so far that makes realistic sense of Dubai and Abu, clearly from someone who's actually been there.

You don't take advice on how to fuck from a virgin.

[buckguy]

OP--are you going to be there for an extended period or just for a short trip? My impression is that the providers there are relatively expensive regardless and that should be a consideration. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of direct experience and only one person who has experience in Muslim countries. 

 

Others--this has become a major business destination (so some wind up there for work) as well as a place with futuristic architecture and a lot of hype for being "glamorous". I could see doing a layover out of curiosity (I did this in Qatar) but it sounds like the kind of bucket list destination which wouldn't appeal to me for a long visit.  I recently met someone who mistook the UAE hype for what the "Arab world" and "Arab cultures" were like--having travelled in Jordan, Syria and Egypt and having known people with long-term connections to Lebanon and North Africa, it was easy to disabuse him of that.

[carolus]

22 hours ago, Whippoorwill said:

There's an old saying..."when something is absolutely prohibited, it is absolutely available". And from my experience, that is absolutely true of gay sex in the UAE. Dubai is the second busiest airport in the world; in 2022, there were 87 million on/off boardings at Dubai airport and over 17 million overnight stays in Dubai. Abu Dhabi is somewhat less but still substantial. And as we all know, gay hotel staff and airline crew are legion, and they are all single immigrants. In addition there is the Emerati population, and among moslems, limited mixing of the sexes in public.

Do the math.

Having lived and worked in a moslem country, they do not pay any more attention to their priests and government that we do. Gay men are traveling to Dubai from all over the moslem world for sex. You just have to act reasonably discrete in public. It's not that hard. While I have been fully out of the closet for decades, I am not pawing guys on the sidewalk, except in San Francisco's Castro, Palm Springs, P-Town, Key West, Mardi Gras in New Orleans, etc. 

In Saudi, they are pretty strict. Even secular Islamic states like Turkey are pretty hardcore on it. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

7 hours ago, buckguy said:

OP--are you going to be there for an extended period or just for a short trip? My impression is that the providers there are relatively expensive regardless and that should be a consideration. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of direct experience and only one person who has experience in Muslim countries. 

 

Others--this has become a major business destination (so some wind up there for work) as well as a place with futuristic architecture and a lot of hype for being "glamorous". I could see doing a layover out of curiosity (I did this in Qatar) but it sounds like the kind of bucket list destination which wouldn't appeal to me for a long visit.  I recently met someone who mistook the UAE hype for what the "Arab world" and "Arab cultures" were like--having travelled in Jordan, Syria and Egypt and having known people with long-term connections to Lebanon and North Africa, it was easy to disabuse him of that.

Yes. The hottest and most desirable escorts visit the UAE. Obviously they're not too scared.

It's a business hub in a Muslim area, and to gay Muslims with money, it's literally a Mecca.

[Whippoorwill]

 

Greek Love - Pederasty Through the Ages - Arab Near East in Boys for Sale - Greek Love Pederasty.html

[Whippoorwill]

I can't seem to figure out how to post this article, but if you google:

Greek Love Through the Ages 

> The Near East and North Africa

> Other Near Eastern Lands

> Boys for Sale

> The Arab Near East

you will find it. It's worth a read.

And just to update this article a little, in 2019 I visited Dubai and Abu Dhabi for a week. When my driver brought me to my very first class "American" 65 story hotel, I was immediately greeted by what we might call a hotel concierge who took me to the front desk and "to be sure all was in order". He was way too friendly and obviously had figured me out right away. I was hardly in my room ten minutes when there was a knock on my door, and I opened to a smiling Hamza, who let himself in "to be sure I was comfortable". I must admit I was a little nervous because he was obviously a hotel employee, but having previously lived in the Middle East for a couple of years, I knew that in a country where women and girls are segregated from men and boys, well, boys will be boys. Further, In Dubai, 90% of the 3 M population are immigrant workers. And by comparison, they are very poor and we are very rich. Hamza was a 20 year old Pakistani, who had been working in Dubai for three years, to earn enough money to go back to Pakistan and find a wife and get married. Like every immigrant worker I met there, he was going home "next year" when he had enough money saved. And I had a wonderful week adding money to his kitty. 

Clearly everyone in the food chain knows what is going on, everyone gets a piece of the action, and no one acknowledges the camel in the living room. Just keep your wits about you, treat them very nicely, and opportunities abound. 

 

 

 

 

Greek Love Through the Ages.doc

 

 

 

 

 

 

[carolus]

On 7/1/2024 at 10:53 PM, Whippoorwill said:

There's an old saying..."when something is absolutely prohibited, it is absolutely available". And from my experience, that is absolutely true of gay sex in the UAE. Dubai is the second busiest airport in the world; in 2022, there were 87 million on/off boardings at Dubai airport and over 17 million overnight stays in Dubai. Abu Dhabi is somewhat less but still substantial. And as we all know, gay hotel staff and airline crew are legion, and they are all single immigrants. In addition there is the Emerati population, and among moslems, limited mixing of the sexes in public.

Do the math.

Having lived and worked in a moslem country, they do not pay any more attention to their priests and government that we do. Gay men are traveling to Dubai from all over the moslem world for sex. You just have to act reasonably discrete in public. It's not that hard. While I have been fully out of the closet for decades, I am not pawing guys on the sidewalk, except in San Francisco's Castro, Palm Springs, P-Town, Key West, Mardi Gras in New Orleans, etc. 

They have open executions for gay people. Do people still do it in private? why shouldn't they? but it doesn't mean they don't actively condemnand punish it. Assuming it's fine to go about there and do it is foolish.

[wanderlust307]

31 minutes ago, carolus said:

They have open executions for gay people. Do people still do it in private? why shouldn't they? but it doesn't mean they don't actively condemnand punish it. Assuming it's fine to go about there and do it is foolish.

No they do not. And Dubai is full of gay people. Think of the Emirates crew. I lived there for a few years and had a fantastic time.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

35 minutes ago, carolus said:

They have open executions for gay people. Do people still do it in private? why shouldn't they? but it doesn't mean they don't actively condemnand punish it. Assuming it's fine to go about there and do it is foolish.

In the UAE?  No.  There are no open executions of gay people.

In fact, there's no record of any arrests on LGBT people (based on being openly LGBT) in the UAE since 2015.

While I'm no apologist for their outdated laws, I believe in speaking the truth and not just posting conjecture.

I've been to Dubai and Abu Dhabi on several occasions.  Have you?

 

[carolus]

14 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

In the UAE?  No.  There are no open executions of gay people.

In fact, there's no record of any arrests on LGBT people (based on being openly LGBT) in the UAE since 2015.

While I'm no apologist for their outdated laws, I believe in speaking the truth and not just posting conjecture.

I've been to Dubai and Abu Dhabi on several occasions.  Have you?

 

The implication is that there will be a blind eye to it. This is patently false. Yes, in all countries people do things that are illegal out of plain sight. What's new? but to say it doesn't get punished or "everybody does it, it's cool!" is clearly false. 

I personally wouldn't want to go to a city in a professed Islamic state, which they only allow for global clout, tax monies and soft power, so no. We all have our own tastes. One doesn't have to have visited a place to cite an opinion on it. Don't regulate what people do. Only do so if you have any actual authority to do so.....

Edited July 7 by carolus

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

22 minutes ago, carolus said:

One doesn't have to have visited a place to cite an opinion on it.

Don't regulate what people do. 

Uh huh. 

It's just kinda odd to see someone posting and giving false factoids on something they have zero first-hand knowledge about.

I guess the internet is full of armchair quarterbacks, no? 

Regulate?  I simply asked if you had been.

[carolus]

12 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

Uh huh. 

It's just kinda odd to see someone posting and giving false factoids on something they have zero first-hand knowledge about.

I guess the internet is full of armchair quarterbacks, no? 

Regulate?  I simply asked if you had been.

All people are free. does that bother you? if so, i pity you. And yes, people don't regulate others. is that another things most adide by well enough that offends you or hurts you? if somebody random told me i couldn't wear a red baseball cap, I'll tell them to fuck off right in their face, and unless the state or something said i couldn't via a valid law thee would be NOTHING they could do about it!!

[BSR]

34 minutes ago, carolus said:

All people are free. does that bother you? if so, i pity you. And yes, people don't regulate others. is that another things most adide by well enough that offends you or hurts you? if somebody random told me i couldn't wear a red baseball cap, I'll tell them to fuck off right in their face, and unless the state or something said i couldn't via a valid law thee would be NOTHING they could do about it!!

Please calm down.  This last post of yours doesn't even make sense.

Others are simply pointing out that you are mistaken about the reality of Dubai and Abu Dhabi.  While homosexuality is technically illegal in the United Arab Emirates, people are not arrested for it, and they certainly aren't executed.  You are simply required to do all sexual activity, no matter how mild like holding hands, in private behind closed doors.  If it's any consolation, the straights have to follow the same rules.

Stop assuming that all Muslim-majority countries are like Iran.  If you don't want to go to the UAE, fine, nobody is forcing you.  But the least you could do is stop spewing falsehoods.