411 on Theoriley fromRm

[Twinkluvr]

On 10/15/2024 at 10:43 PM, DavidNY said:

To be fair, Theo reached out to me and apologized. Stated he was desperate for money and made a mistake. He has made amends and apologized for not communicating better. If you guys want to give him a second chance, that’s up to you. We are as square as I think he is able to get right now. I told him to use the rest of the deposit as a donation to help his situation. I wish him the best and don’t think he would try to do this again. I personally will not be booking him again, but I did have a good first date with him.

Dang dude, you are way more forgiving than i would be.  Sucks that he chose this route.  Of course he’s desperate, but he can actually get a job as a waiter or something like all of us less attractive people did at his age.  I hope he appreciates how lucky it is he did this to you and not someone less generous. I’m sure he cares more about losing clients than he is actually remorseful. What a jerk. How much did he actually pay you back?

Edited Thursday at 04:12 PM by Twinkluvr

[jackcali]

On 10/16/2024 at 12:07 PM, ApexNomad said:

Any time you give an advance to a provider or change anything outside the agreed-upon financial arrangements, the lines blur quickly, and the foundation of that “relationship” automatically shifts. Be careful.

No question that you have to be careful, and you should always be explicit about your understanding of the arrangement.  I was always clear that the advance was exactly that and would reduce what I paid for the next couple of sessions.  I would only make an advance to someone who I saw or hoped to see regularly and I reduced the usual fee by half or a third until the advance was offset.  Because my preference is to see one guy regularly for an extended period, a provider would have to be a very short-term thinker to run off with a one-time advance and lose a weekly fee.  The one guy who did run off did me a favor as he was developing a drug problem that I didn't detect but that became obvious not long afterwards. 

[DavidNY]

2 hours ago, Twinkluvr said:

Dang dude, you are way more forgiving than i would be.  Sucks that he chose this route.  Of course he’s desperate, but he can actually get a job as a waiter or something like all of us less attractive people did at his age.  I hope he appreciates how lucky it is he did this to you and not someone less generous. I’m sure he cares more about losing clients than he is actually remorseful. What a jerk. How much did he actually pay you back?

I consider the matter closed at this point. I won’t comment on the details of our conversation unless I see retaliation on his part, for instance if he bad mouths me or posts something like this on Mr. number. But I know Theo is sorry and wouldn’t do something like that, or would fix it if he did because he knows he was wrong and we both want to move on from this incident.

 

Edited Thursday at 06:40 PM by DavidNY

[coriolis888]

8 minutes ago, DavidNY said:

I consider the matter closed at this point. I won’t comment on the details of our conversation unless I see retaliation on his part, for instance if he bad mouths me or posts something like this on Mr. number. But I know Theo is sorry and wouldn’t do something like that, or would fix it if he did because he knows he was wrong.

 

Do I hear Pollyanna calling?

Look up the definition of Pollyanna - 

I think you mean well but - once a thief, always a thief.

[ApexNomad]

4 hours ago, jackcali said:

No question that you have to be careful, and you should always be explicit about your understanding of the arrangement.  I was always clear that the advance was exactly that and would reduce what I paid for the next couple of sessions.  I would only make an advance to someone who I saw or hoped to see regularly and I reduced the usual fee by half or a third until the advance was offset.  Because my preference is to see one guy regularly for an extended period, a provider would have to be a very short-term thinker to run off with a one-time advance and lose a weekly fee.  The one guy who did run off did me a favor as he was developing a drug problem that I didn't detect but that became obvious not long afterwards. 

Once you give an advance or adjust the financial terms, it blurs the boundaries of the professional relationship. Providers aren’t your friends—they’re providing a service. When you start reducing future fees or offsetting payments, it complicates things and alters the dynamic, even with good intentions. Structuring encounters as a quid pro quo never ends well because it shifts the focus away from the clear, agreed-upon exchange. Keeping things straightforward avoids misunderstandings and maintains the professionalism of the arrangement.

[theoriley]

hi everyone! “davidNY” blocked me, but the day before yesterday we did work out something privately about our misunderstanding that seemed okay with him, and he promised since we came up with a payment agreement he would leave me alone on the threads and move on. but then last night i got tons of text paragraphs from about how some sort of random comment of 🚮 and 💩emojjis on “mr number” (i dont even know what this is) was somehow from me. it wasnt. i have no intention to hurt him anhmore than i did during out argument and not returning the depopsit. it wasnt. the things on here of people revealing private conversations a about my personal family life, and revealing my real name im going to ignore but please remember these escorts keep your personal information private and confidentially there because thats part of the job, but that goes both ways. please for my safety and other escorts safety, keep that private. this is a dangerous business for everyone involved.

 

as for DavidNY’s continuing comments about me on here, i dont know how to make it right with him anymore. he doesnt seem to want to, which honestly i understand cuz in the heat of the moment of our private conversation i said a lot of things i didnt mean. i apologized to him, i really went hard in the argument because i was freaked out and i can be really get emotional during confrontation. not making excuses, but i know i was wrong there. as for threats, he lowkey was threatening to ruin my only source of income on here and thought if i threatened him back it would make it stop but of course that was an immature decision. but i think his feelings are hurt so he probably will continue to say things about me on here, and honestly i understand. he gave me the deposit ahead of time to help pay for travel expenses, but i had just moved to la and money suddenly became extremly tight and i spent it and was hoping to make it back in order to afford my trip i was suppossed to go on with him. i wasnt able to make it back in time, and i freaked out and just ghosted cuz i was hoping to somehow make it back. it was an extremely poor choice, and i really do see how wrong that is now and am genuinely so sorry.

 

i dont know why i decided to lie to myself and think what i did was okay, but i do think its work mentioning  i am extremly gullible and ditsy sometime lol, and one of my friends who is also an escort on RM kind if helped me justify it. david had said he paid another escort twice (i think more actually but idk) as much as he did me for my overnight (which shouldnt have been my justification cuz i quoted the rate that i quoted and agreed on it), and also my friend on RM said i was charging way too little. so he was like “just take it, its pennies to him and if you really need it, that money is was more valuable to you than him and honestly take care of yourself first”, and i knew that was a wrong mentality but i decided to go with his because i really did need it and decided to just be like “ya whatever he doesnt need it and he’ll be fine, i might not be tho if i give it back”. that was so wrong and i knew it but i lied to myself, and now karma is biting me in the butt extremley hard because as i can see in here, i have lost so many potential clients, hurt and burned DavidNY, and have ruined my reputation. i am not asking for anyone to trust me again, and thats not why im sending this. i am just letting you all know, especially DavidNY know that i am truley so sorry. i have no idea what im doing being an escort, i just joined in july and honestly this has taught me a huge lesson not just as an escort but in life. im 23 living by myself in a city thousands of miles away from my family, and working a job that can be extremely dangerous and risky. the amount of anxiety i have every day because of this new life is insane. its a really scary time for me, and it obviously is a time for me to learn important lessons. i am really sorry for DavidNY that he had to be apart of this big learning lesson in my life. 

 

DavidNY, i know you blocked me but if theres anything i can do to continue to right what i wronged, ill do it. not to save my reputation to get more clients, i want to right it because i wouldnt ever want someone to treat me the way i treated you, and im learning how you treat others is how you will be treated. also, you were so kind and sweet to me when we had our first date. i really did have an amazing time with you, and you treated me amazing. i dont know why i decided it was okay to treat you that way. i know you had a really bad experience with another escort, and how it hurt you, it was honestly so wrong to do it to you again.  the reason im doing all this here is because number one you blocked me, but also i want everyone else to see that you really wernt the bad guy in this situation i was, and they can all see that now. 

also for the DC user name saying i flaked, i dont really remember that at all but again im ditsy, if you want to message me privately to remind me who you are and what happened i would love to be able to make things right for you. (maybe a sexy video or something hehe) but please feel free to reach out. 

also DavidNY, if you want a sexy video of me doing whateverrrr you want me to do (you know how much if a sub i can be hehe) please, feel free to ask. id love to. 

i hope everyone has a great day and none of you experience what David did, and find boys that are honest and are able to take care of you the way you deserve to be taken care of. again, so so so sorry to everyone.

 

 

[DavidNY]

Thank you for your honesty and humility. I think this is a good way to move forward. As I said, I consider the matter closed unless I see anymore retaliation. Good luck Theo. Hopefully this post will help repair things with your future clients. I don’t need your video, just treat your clients professionally going forward and I think you will be ok.

Be nice to him, guys, this is the hardest I’ve seen him try to take responsibility, apologize, and fix this. We all make mistakes.

Edited Thursday at 11:57 PM by DavidNY

[theoriley]

4 minutes ago, DavidNY said:

Thank you for your honesty and humility. I think this is a good way to move forward. As I said, I consider the matter closed unless I see anymore retaliation. Good luck Theo. Hopefully this post will help repair things with your future clients. I don’t need your video, just treat your clients professionally going forward and I think you will be ok.

Be nice to him, guys, this is the hardest I’ve seen him try to take responsibility, apologize, and fix this. We all make mistakes.

thank you for being so understanding. like i said, you were amazing to be around and this proves what a good person you are because of like others have said, not everyone would give as much grace as you have to me after doing what i did. i wish you nothing but the best, and hopefully find another boy to take care of you better than i did. ❤️

[Jostar]

8 minutes ago, theoriley said:

thank you for being so understanding. like i said, you were amazing to be around and this proves what a good person you are because of like others have said, not everyone would give as much grace as you have to me after doing what i did. i wish you nothing but the best, and hopefully find another boy to take care of you better than i did. ❤️

If you are nice and respect the guy. Pay him his 400 left 

[theoriley]

Just now, Jostar said:

If you are nice and respect the guy. Pay him his 400 left 

we came to a agreement and understanding that 100 was okay, but if he wants me to i will 100% find a way to. 

[jackcali]

2 hours ago, ApexNomad said:

Once you give an advance or adjust the financial terms, it blurs the boundaries of the professional relationship. Providers aren’t your friends—they’re providing a service. When you start reducing future fees or offsetting payments, it complicates things and alters the dynamic, even with good intentions. Structuring encounters as a quid pro quo never ends well because it shifts the focus away from the clear, agreed-upon exchange. Keeping things straightforward avoids misunderstandings and maintains the professionalism of the arrangement.

I don't want to argue with you, because I think we fundamentally agree that the relationship has to remain professional and the terms of that relationship must be clearly understood by both parties.  But most professional relationships have flexible payment terms.  The lawyers and bankers and consultants that I have encountered in my business career (and they are definitely not my friends) often adjust payment schemes to address issues in their business or in mine.  I'm often offered discounts for an accelerated payment or offered an extended payment plan instead of a discount on an invoice that I thought was too high.  I often do similar things with my customers.  Is it complicated? Maybe.  Can misunderstandings arise?  Certainly, which is why clarity is essential.  But I don't see why the arrangement between a client and a provider can't evolve over time or be temporarily adjusted as long as both sides are aware and are happy.

[Jostar]

2 minutes ago, theoriley said:

we came to a agreement and understanding that 100 was okay, but if he wants me to i will 100% find a way to. 

But are you willing to burn that bridge because of what you did. If you want to repent and what you did was wrong. You should pay him back and to show good spirits 

[theoriley]

9 minutes ago, Jostar said:

But are you willing to burn that bridge because of what you did. If you want to repent and what you did was wrong. You should pay him back and to show good spirits 

honestly you are probably right about this. even if he doesnt want me to, i am going to try to. thank you. im still learning and need this type of advice. 

[Jostar]

6 minutes ago, theoriley said:

honestly you are probably right about this. even if he doesnt want me to, i am going to try to. thank you. im still learning and need this type of advice. 

Am glad this a learning experience. I hope you get better at this and not make the same mistakes. And pay the guy 

[Saabster]

The OP says he considers the matter closed. We should all do the same. Peace

[DavidNY]

I agreed to the arrangement, and I am a man of my word. However, if Theo’s conscience is to repay the full deposit, then I will accept it. That’s something he needs to decide for himself on who he wants to be. Also, I deleted the post that might mention any other name Theo may go by, that was out of bounds.

Edited Friday at 01:12 AM by DavidNY

[coriolis888]

35 minutes ago, theoriley said:

honestly you are probably right about this. even if he doesnt want me to, i am going to try to. thank you. im still learning and need this type of advice. 

Food for thought when thinking about ripping off a client:

Not all clients who hire from rentmen read this forum, but many do read it. 

Just think about the future potential clients you lost and will lose because of what you admitted to doing to the client.  

You conned money from a client without earning it.  Just think about the potential money you will lose from other clients who read this thread.  

Some people know the "price of everything but the value of nothing".

[ApexNomad]

1 hour ago, jackcali said:

I don't want to argue with you, because I think we fundamentally agree that the relationship has to remain professional and the terms of that relationship must be clearly understood by both parties.  But most professional relationships have flexible payment terms.  The lawyers and bankers and consultants that I have encountered in my business career (and they are definitely not my friends) often adjust payment schemes to address issues in their business or in mine.  I'm often offered discounts for an accelerated payment or offered an extended payment plan instead of a discount on an invoice that I thought was too high.  I often do similar things with my customers.  Is it complicated? Maybe.  Can misunderstandings arise?  Certainly, which is why clarity is essential.  But I don't see why the arrangement between a client and a provider can't evolve over time or be temporarily adjusted as long as both sides are aware and are happy.

You’ve mentioned being scammed once before. If this is a practice you’re comfortable with, I wish you all the best.

[theoriley]

31 minutes ago, coriolis888 said:

Food for thought when thinking about ripping off a client:

Not all clients who hire from rentmen read this forum, but many do read it. 

Just think about the future potential clients you lost and will lose because of what you admitted to doing to the client.  

You conned money from a client without earning it.  Just think about the potential money you will lose from other clients who read this thread.  

Some people know the "price of everything but the value of nothing".

not really worried about the clients i may loose cuz of this. just wanted to make things right with david.

[Spikeguy]

Can’t you just comp him a session and call it even?

[DavidNY]

7 hours ago, Spikeguy said:

Can’t you just comp him a session and call it even?

I don’t ever want to see this kid again.  Besides, I’ve already found a couple escorts I like better and appreciate someone who would pay to fly them across the country for a date, not to mention leave  them glowing reviews on here to help their business. 500 bucks is not Pennie’s to me, but I forgive him, cuz I know I’ve messed up before and have a little more respect for him for what he posted here, but I’d still never book him again.  You guys can do what you want obviously.

Edited Friday at 12:28 PM by DavidNY

[+ Pensant]

I tend to be a bit more forgiving about these things. At least @theoriley had the courage to come on this board and admit his faults. He’s only 23. Although I only provide deposits for longer-term companions who I may be flying out to meet me, I’d be happy to meet up with @theoriley the next time I’m in LA.

[jackcali]

11 hours ago, ApexNomad said:

You’ve mentioned being scammed once before. If this is a practice you’re comfortable with, I wish you all the best.

I've been scammed once by an escort.  I can't tell you how many times I've felt scammed by lawyers and bankers and other professionals, haha. 

I wish you the best, as well.

[Thelatin]

I seem to do really well with the "problematic" ones - I think I need to meet Theo now 😏

[DavidNY]

37 minutes ago, Thelatin said:

I seem to do really well with the "problematic" ones - I think I need to meet Theo now 😏

Lol, yes! The boy needs severe discipline! You can send me that video, lol