wanderlust307 Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 28 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said: What's the point of being gay if you don't like men who are men ? Men who are men? And this anachronistic statement comes from a gay person? omg... 😭 Wake up it's the year 2024. Marc in Calif, NipLuvr212 and pubic_assistance 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 53 minutes ago, wanderlust307 said: Men who are men? And this anachronistic statement comes from a gay person? omg... 😭 Wake up it's the year 2024. I'm not "gay". And I don't understand the 2024 comment. Did someone recently decide that masculinity doesn't exist ? Just becasue your tastes run to feminine men...doesn't mean than all masculine men are "punks". I don't doubt that Devon Hoover's attraction was the rugged masculinity that Desmond Burks exhibits. Men who are men. + Lucky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ azdr0710 Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 new news..... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-charged-dr-devon-hoover-death-rcna166085 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwine56 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 12 hours ago, maninsoma said: I don't think this alleged killer "just looks masculine." He has a mean look to him, and that has nothing to do with race. I also don't think he's handsome, and that, too, has nothing to do with race. But to each his own. That poor murdered doctor was a handsome stud. What a pity! He made a bad choice that cost him his life when he had so much to live for. I'd bet the relationship ended in a fight over $$$. The proof was the fact that the thief stole from the doctor after he murdered him. He was probably demanding more and more $$$ from the doctor "for his services" and the doctor began to push back. This is like something on 48 hours murder mystery! pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderlust307 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 13 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: I'm not "gay". And I don't understand the 2024 comment. Did someone recently decide that masculinity doesn't exist ? Just becasue your tastes run to feminine men...doesn't mean than all masculine men are "punks". I don't doubt that Devon Hoover's attraction was the rugged masculinity that Desmond Burks exhibits. Men who are men. Interesting that the first thing you need to say is that you are not gay. As for masculinity, who cares? The cowboy John Wayne and the Marlboro man are long dead. Men (straight, gay and all the shades in between) are comfortable with their sexuality and don't need to emphasise how "masculine" they are. And this applies mostly to young men. Actually thinking of it, if someone wants to remember what masculinity looked like in the old times, his best chance are gay women. Marc in Calif 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 9 hours ago, wanderlust307 said: Interesting that the first thing you need to say is that you are not gay. Well...yeah. You seem shocked that a "gay man" would be attracted to masculine men...so to continue the conversation it made sense to point out that I'm not a "gay"man...so I may have a different relationship with masculinity than a 100% gay male may have. You were repulsed by the surgeon's choice of company and I disagee. His obvious masculine appearance might have had me paying him for a session or two. I don't associate being masculine as being "a punk" as you called him. I am suspicious that racism is more what's driving your "punk" comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderlust307 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 34 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said: Well...yeah. You seem shocked that a "gay man" would be attracted to masculine men...so to continue the conversation it made sense to point out that I'm not a "gay"man...so I may have a different relationship with masculinity than a 100% gay male may have. You were repulsed by the surgeon's choice of company and I disagee. His obvious masculine appearance might have had me paying him for a session or two. I don't associate being masculine as being "a punk" as you called him. I am suspicious that racism is more what's driving your "punk" comment. Thug, not punk 😅 Marc in Calif and pubic_assistance 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 3 minutes ago, wanderlust307 said: Thug, not punk 😅 Sorry. But are the terms much different? Maybe "thug" is the more appropriate term for disparaging a black man ? 🤔 Marc in Calif 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderlust307 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said: Sorry. But are the terms much different? Maybe "thug" is the more appropriate term for disparaging a black man ? 🤔 Yes, you are right. Thug is more appropriate. 🤣 pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 49 minutes ago, wanderlust307 said: Yes, you are right. Thug is more appropriate. 🤣 Well ...anyway ... Judging from the neurosurgeon's house he liked nice things ..so I'm sure he enjoyed this man's company even though you may not have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medin Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 On 8/8/2024 at 11:45 AM, maninsoma said: I'm originally from that area of the country. I was shocked when I last visited several years ago when a friend told me that Detroit had deteriorated so much that it was possible to buy a home for $30,000. I think there was at least somewhat of a turnaround since that time, but I'm sure there are still affordable houses there. Just for kicks I checked Zillow for the cost of housing near the Motown museum and found a 6-bedroom, 5-bath house on the market for $318,000. The doctor's house (The former Siegal Mansion) is back on the market for $2.5m. You have to remember that it's located in an area surrounded by ghetto. The area is actually coming back but ten years ago that house would have probably sold for $400k. The area you are talking about near the Motown Museum is likely Lasalle Gardens and that area has not been gentrified at all. pubic_assistance and wanderlust307 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medin Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Everything that has come out recently has been well known within the gay community for a long time. He was well known in certain circles. Nobody understands why it took so long to make an arrest. wanderlust307 and pubic_assistance 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 11 hours ago, Medin said: He was well known in certain circles. Please elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguyhere Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 (edited) I stumbled across this thread this morning and was surprised, and quite bewildered by some of the comments and reactions. 🤔 When this story first came to light, I too was captivated, and followed the developments. I really appreciate the poster posting this update. Like some others, I found myself mystified by the association between these two men? In my opinion, the Doctor appeared to be a successful handsome man of means while the other man, IMO of course, looked like he was a paycheck away from being homeless, and a yes, thuggish. I did consider that this was a mugshot, which we know aren’t capturing our best moments or very flattering. But since that time, I’ve seen other images posted, and in my opinion of this murder, hasn’t change. If I saw him walking towards me, I’d probably change direction. With that said, I agreed with what Wonderlust307 said in his post. So when I read Public_assistant’s response, I was even more surprised. I’m also bewildered & confused as to why this man’s race got pulIed into the mix??? It’s so irrelevant. In a million years I wouldn’t have paired these two men together. A handsome successful Doctor with a man sporting what appears to be teardrop tattoos on his face, and looking like he’s on the verge of homelessness? In addition to that, he’s got a rough/hard look about him 😳. The two of them just don’t make sense to me. So I continue to wonder how this really happened? Could the guys personality really be that amazing??? 🤔 Or was there much more to all this? Drugs + intimacy? Blackmail? Perhaps we’ll never completely know. So often we read about successful appearing folks leading two completely opposite lives. Unfortunately for this doctor, his was revealed in a sad and very public way. Like one of the other posters mentioned, you’d think that a man of his means could afford to be associated with higher end escorts? So as much as I’d like to make some sort of sense out of this tragedy, I’ll have to remain mystified by it … for now at least. Perhaps more information will surface.🤷🏼♂️ Thanks again poster for this intriguing post. Edited September 3 by Miguyhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 4 hours ago, Miguyhere said: I’m also bewildered & confused as to why this man’s race got pulIed into the mix??? It’s so irrelevant. Is it ? Calling a black man "a thug". Bewildered at what such a "successful" white man would want with a scruffy (black) man....🤔 The inherent racism is here is so obvious I can taste it. I thought the guy was sexy. I'm sure the doctor did too. Perhaps neither of us were judging him through the same racist lens. Lotus-eater, Deadlift1, MikeBiDude and 2 others 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ FreshFluff Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 On 8/10/2024 at 6:59 PM, Redwine56 said: That poor murdered doctor was a handsome stud. What a pity! He made a bad choice that cost him his life when he had so much to live for. I'd bet the relationship ended in a fight over $$$. The proof was the fact that the thief stole from the doctor after he murdered him. He was probably demanding more and more $$$ from the doctor "for his services" and the doctor began to push back. This is like something on 48 hours murder mystery! Reminds me of that extortion case involving the Sean Cody actor. Unfortunately, the nneurosurgeon this case was probably less connected than the wealthy Palm Beach businessman in the Sean Cody case. Also, the neurosurgeon was probably more afraid of being exposed because he depends on referrals. Redwine56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsley88 Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 4000 texts is a LOT of messages. I mean a LOT. Was the doctor in the closet? Was he out? If in the closet, then perhaps there was some sort of extortion going on? Who knows. Given the evidence is via cellphone records, I'm surprised it took more than a year to charge the person of interest who they interviewed in late April 2023. Lotus-eater 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ sniper Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 FWIW I looked at the mugshot and am I looking at a different one? He looked totally normal to me. He's not my type, so it's not that. I think pubic assistance might have a point. There is zero in that picture to convey homeleasness for sure. pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 On 8/9/2024 at 10:40 PM, wanderlust307 said: Stereotypical thugs come in many colours. And I don't like masculinity. Justice isn't blind and neither are stereotypes. not dragging this out of subject but most gay (and bi) men like masculine men. As said by others to each his own. On 8/9/2024 at 10:14 PM, pubic_assistance said: "Stereotypical" because he's black ? To me he just looks like a masculine man. Which I like. Yes, masculine and also defiant, reminds me of another famous mugshot I can't mention on here. pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus-eater Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 We now know that he's a violent thug however you regard his look (I'd swipe left). Was the victim attracted to a dangerous bad boy, prone to downplay any signs of erratic behavior, being extorted, or something else? Murders are usually committed by someone known to the victim, so I also find it interesting that there were many texts between them and yes, he did not seem like the sort of person that a surgeon would typically socialize with, which would be a reason for the police to dig deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Italiano Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 18 hours ago, marylander1940 said: Justice isn't blind and neither are stereotypes. not dragging this out of subject but most gay (and bi) men like masculine men. As said by others to each his own. Yes, masculine and also defiant, reminds me of another famous mugshot I can't mention on here. I find him a handsome guy. I don't get all those comments (almost homeless, thug, I would change direction if he was walking towards me...🤔) pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maninsoma Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 Though the photos of the alleged killer aren't clear, it looks to me like he has small teardrop tattoos on his face -- maybe one on his left side and three on his right. I think that's a big part of why my reaction to his photo was "why would anyone be attracted to him?!" I assume you all know that gang members get teardrop tattoos on their faces after they kill someone, so if my reading of his mug shot is correct it looks like he's telling the world that he had already killed numerous people. If you find that sexy and "masculine" then I have nothing else to say. pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, maninsoma said: Though the photos of the alleged killer aren't clear, it looks to me like he has small teardrop tattoos on his face -- maybe one on his left side and three on his right. I think that's a big part of why my reaction to his photo was "why would anyone be attracted to him?!" I assume you all know that gang members get teardrop tattoos on their faces after they kill someone, so if my reading of his mug shot is correct it looks like he's telling the world that he had already killed numerous people. If you find that sexy and "masculine" then I have nothing else to say. Actually I think that tattoo means they have a friend in jail. Obviously, it could have different meanings according to the Indvidual. 3 hours ago, Italiano said: I find him a handsome guy. I don't get all those comments (almost homeless, thug, I would change direction if he was walking towards me...🤔) Don't know why you quoted me I never called him any of those names. I think there's a racial undertone in the way we see him. Edited September 10 by marylander1940 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maninsoma Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 From Wikipedia: The teardrop tattoo or tear tattoo is a symbolic tattoo of a tear that is placed underneath the eye. The teardrop is one of the most widely recognised prison tattoos[1] and has various meanings. It can signify that the wearer has spent time in prison,[2][3] or more specifically that the wearer was raped while incarcerated and tattooed by the rapist as a "property" mark and for humiliation, since facial tattoos cannot be concealed.[4][5][6][7] The tattoo is sometimes worn by the female companions of prisoners in solidarity with their loved ones.[8] Amy Winehouse had a teardrop drawn on her face in eyeliner after her husband Blake entered the Pentonville prison hospital following a suspected drug overdose.[9] It can acknowledge the loss of a friend or family member: Basketball player Amar'e Stoudemire has had a teardrop tattoo since 2012 honouring his older brother Hazell Jr., who died in a car accident.[10] In West Coast United States gang culture, the tattoo may signify that the wearer has killed someone[11][12] and in some of those circles, the tattoo's meaning can change: an empty outline meaning the wearer attempted murder. Sometimes the exact meaning of the tattoo is known only by the wearer[12][13] as in the case of Portuguese footballer Ricardo Quaresma, who has never explained his teardrop tattoos.[14] So I guess the teardrop means different things to different people, and it might mean something different in one region versus another. No wonder I associate it with murder since I'm on the west coast. marylander1940 and pubic_assistance 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ sniper Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 They looked like blemishes to me. marylander1940 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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