Clients who mainly see straight providers.

[studchaser]

What are some of the main differences you notice between them and gay providers? Do you do anything different when with one vs the other other than the obvious sexual limitations? 

I have found that many of the straight providers who played the game right literally made so much money that they flipped it and now are living well post retirement from the biz.  However many have had ultimely demises(steroid related?) Many of these guys were or would have been older millenials. Where is the gen z equivalent to these authentic type of men. Have these types fallen out of favor? It kinda feel like everything is just pretense and smoke and mirrors. Are clients tastes pushing guys like these  away from the biz?

Strongpower/ Springfield Mass( retired)

Colton/ Dc( deceased) 

Ronnieflexx/ Atlantic City(deceased)

Dr. Mike/ New England( retired)

Delro / New England and Fl (retired?)

 

[Walt]

5 hours ago, studchaser said:

authentic

Huh? Seems the exact  opposite of "authentic". "Performative," perhaps?  Or "confused"? Maybe even "schizoid"? What about "driven to inauthenticity for money"?

[+ purplekow]

If I hire an escort, I am concerned with what he will do with me not with he does in his private sex life.  As far as I can tell, straight men are real men.  Bi men are real men. And strangely enough gay men are real men.  So If I am looking for a real man, there is no need to investigate what they do outside the confines of what they do with me and how well they will do it.

 

Edited August 18 by purplekow

[Lazarus]

Ronnie Flexx. One of my biggest regrets is that I never got to meet him. 

[studchaser]

4 hours ago, Walt said:

Huh? Seems the exact  opposite of "authentic". "Performative," perhaps?  Or "confused"? Maybe even "schizoid"? What about "driven to inauthenticity for money"?

Walt I think what I mean is that most providers present themselves with a supposed aura of hypermasculinity that often doesn't comport with who they are on a day to day. The men i listed would probably be good representations of said hypermasculinity on a day to day( they may be the impetus and inspiration for those imitating). I think you are referencing that they may be acting in a way sexually that goes against their natural instinct which while true doesn't make them inauthentic if they are up front about it and can satisfy the fantasy requested of them.

[studchaser]

4 hours ago, Lazarus said:

Ronnie Flexx. One of my biggest regrets is that I never got to meet him. 

I hear you Laz. Those are one in a generation types. While I never met him those who I know who have said he was just that way. He would often bring his worshippers out to the clubs with him and allow them to be a fly on the wall watching afar to see how he interacted with other men, showing he was the real alpha dawg in environments that were already highly charged with testosterone( virile men trying to get limited available women) and showing the worshippers that the image he was presenting in his videos was not an act. Many have told me the way he acted in real life was even hotter because he didn't have to overdo it for the camera. Im upset he missed the onlyfans era because he would have been on there giving good content if I know him. 

 

 

[muslnicknj]

I have generally gravitated to the guys who identify as straight because I enjoy the challenge of seeing how far I can get them to leave their comfort zone. Particularly when it comes to worshipping their butts. I’ve seen Dolph, a bodybuilder from south Jersey, several times over the past few years. I especially love when he lies near the edge of the bed spreadeagled so I can simultaneously rim him and stare at his handsome masculine face. My next challenge is to get him to warm up to kissing - but so far that’s been a no no with him. I know there will be some guys on the forum critical of my preference, but what can I say? The fantasy of being with a straight muscular masculine guy is real for some of us. 

[pubic_assistance]

45 minutes ago, muslnicknj said:

I have generally gravitated to the guys who identify as straight because I enjoy the challenge of seeing how far I can get them to leave their comfort zone.

Paying to be a "groomer".

[muslnicknj]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

Paying to be a "groomer".

Not sure if you understand what a groomer is. These are adult men providing a service - not children. If I make a request and they say no then I honor their wishes. Doesn’t mean I won’t ask again the next time, lol. If you hired someone who doesn’t bottom and you convince him in a session to bottom, does that make you a groomer? Of course not. Anyway, this is a post for guys who prefer straight providers so maybe it’s not the right post for you. 

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, muslnicknj said:

Anyway, this is a post for guys who prefer straight providers so maybe it’s not the right post for you. 

I do, in fact, prefer straight presenting sexual partners.

I have often been accused of "grooming" straight friends and associates. So my understanding is that grooming is defined as manipulating someone into a sexual relationship when a power imbalance is in place.

Doesn't need to be a minor.

Can be anyone who's vulnerable.

[NipLuvr212]

1 minute ago, pubic_assistance said:

I do, in fact, prefer straight presenting sexual partners.

I have often been accused of "grooming" straight friends and associates. So my understanding is that grooming is defined as manipulating someone into a sexual relationship when a power imbalance is in place.

Doesn't need to be a minor.

Can be anyone who's vulnerable.

yes and no - in our world dictionary definitions do not reflect the baggae that a word or phrase has become so closely associated with that it actually changes the very definition of the word

if you agree that "vulnerable" means someone who is incapable of choice then you could be correct

[pubic_assistance]

1 minute ago, NipLuvr212 said:

if you agree that "vulnerable" means someone who is incapable of choice then you could be correct

I have been in multiple situations over the years where I ended up in a sexual relationship with a man who was described as emotionally vulnerable for a variety of reasons.( Death / break ups / traumatic military experience ) I wad accused of being a "groomer" because these man were straight but I eneded up sleeping with them on a regular basis.

I don't agree ...and they ALL came on to me...not the other way around. But my point being that their fragile emotional state left them vulnerable.  Thus the accusations of "grooming".

That was 20 years ago...so maybe the term has evolved over the years to be more specific to pedophiles. I just know I've been accused several times and none of these young men were under 18.

[Walt]

5 hours ago, studchaser said:

Walt I think what I mean is that most providers present themselves with a supposed aura of hypermasculinity that often doesn't comport with who they are on a day to day. The men i listed would probably be good representations of said hypermasculinity on a day to day( they may be the impetus and inspiration for those imitating). I think you are referencing that they may be acting in a way sexually that goes against their natural instinct which while true doesn't make them inauthentic if they are up front about it and can satisfy the fantasy requested of them.

I get your point....and basically agree. 😉 

[+ DrownedBoy]

When people here say "hypermasculine" or "alpha dog," just what kind of attitude are they describing? Examples?

To each their own. I do recall being turned off by a self-described alpha bodybuilder who acted all threatening and downgrading as part of his persona, right from the moment we met. I prefer people who only act like that during the actual RP...

[muslnicknj]

19 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

I do, in fact, prefer straight presenting sexual partners.

I have often been accused of "grooming" straight friends and associates. So my understanding is that grooming is defined as manipulating someone into a sexual relationship when a power imbalance is in place.

Doesn't need to be a minor.

Can be anyone who's vulnerable.

Thanks for clearing that up. I hear groomer and I automatically think children, which I have no interest in. The straight adult men that I have hired are providing a service and can always say no if I request something that they don’t want to do. They’re not vulnerable. 

[wanderlust307]

On 8/18/2024 at 2:20 AM, studchaser said:

Where is the gen z equivalent to these authentic type of men. Have these types fallen out of favor? It kinda feel like everything is just pretense and smoke and mirrors. Are clients tastes pushing guys like these  away from the biz

 

Authentic? Seriously? So there are authentic men and imitations? 🤣

If by authentic you mean the type who call themselves "serious", "discreet" and "straight looking", then I am glad there is no gen z equivalent. 

[soloyo215]

On 8/17/2024 at 7:20 PM, studchaser said:

Where is the gen z equivalent to these authentic type of men. Have these types fallen out of favor? It kinda feel like everything is just pretense and smoke and mirrors. Are clients tastes pushing guys like these  away from the biz?

 

About the "straight man" thing, I see many clients attracted to straight (or to the claim to be) from providers. No judgement, nothing wrong with having a preference. Since I don't look for those (I see absolutely nothing wrong or inferior in perfectly fine gay men, some quite fine, actually), I don't notice if there is a decrease in availability in younger ones.

The newer generation has created a mess regarding gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, gender expression, sex assigned at birth and blah blah blah, at-nauseam. I wouldn't be surprised if some actually struggle with what to put in their profile about their sexual orientation. Seems like they have a different mindset. So don't be surprised if you see a female who "identifies as a straight man" with a RM profile.

Just signs of the time.

Edited August 19 by soloyo215

[+ newatthis]

1 hour ago, soloyo215 said:

The newer generation has created a mess regarding gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, gender expression, sex assigned at birth and blah blah blah, at-nauseam. I wouldn't be surprised if some actually struggle with what to put in their profile about their sexual orientation. Seems like they have a different mindset.

Not sure I would call it a "mess", except that it might be confusing for those from an era in which those lines weren't very fluid, or fluid at all.  

[+ ThroatCummer]

1 hour ago, soloyo215 said:

The newer generation has created a mess regarding gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, gender expression, sex assigned at birth and blah blah blah, at-nauseam.

I want to dislike this and want to poke holes in it, but it is really true.  I think everyone should be who they are and just forge a path through the world as best they can and be supported by others. Love, family, all of it. Respect each other and leave everyone you meet in a life a little better than you found them.  

But I still want that big, built, deep voiced, testosterone dripping, alpha dawg who doesn't give a fuck and just wants to spread his seed everywhere. That's hot and that's never going to be not hot. 🤣

[wanderlust307]

3 hours ago, soloyo215 said:

The newer generation has created a mess regarding gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, gender expression, sex assigned at birth and blah blah blah, at-nauseam. I wouldn't be surprised if some actually struggle with what to put in their profile about their sexual orientation. Seems like they have a different mindset. So don't be surprised if you see a female who "identifies as a straight man" with a RM profile.

Just signs of the time.

I don't see it a mess, but a beautiful multi-dimensional and multi-colour canva. I am so glad for them. 

[soloyo215]

18 hours ago, wanderlust307 said:

I don't see it a mess, but a beautiful multi-dimensional and multi-colour canva. I am so glad for them. 

I do see a mess, inconsistent, arbitrary, non-research based, and a lot of it downright made-up bullshit.

[wanderlust307]

22 minutes ago, soloyo215 said:

I do see a mess, inconsistent, arbitrary, non-research based, and a lot of it downright made-up bullshit.

One simple question: do you have any friends in this age group?

PS. I ignore your impoliteness, pls behave 🤣

Edited August 20 by wanderlust307

[marylander1940]

I am not attracted to guys who are effeminate and when an escort is actually straight in most cases can't deliver the true BFE that I like therefore I hire gay or bi guys.

[soloyo215]

1 hour ago, wanderlust307 said:

One simple question: do you have any friends in this age group?

PS. I ignore your impoliteness, pls behave 🤣

I do. In fact, I've worked for a non-profit that serves a lot of people from that demographic. I don't see what point is that supposed to make, one way or another, Is that supposed to imply that I know nothing about people in that demographic because I don't talk to them or something? In any event, here is my stance on this:

1. What I said about it is only supporting information of my point in my comment
2. I am not interested in discussing this matter, as it is not going to go anywhere
3. I am not interested in convincing anyone of my beliefs about it, and not interested in anyone's convictions about it
4. I am entitled to my opinion about it, so I will express it as I see it fit
5. If anyone is offended by it - go fuck yourself (now you have a real reason to be offended)

If you have to clarify that you ignore my impoliteness, you don't.

Now back to the actual original topic.

Through the years I've seen many fake "straight" men posting that that's their sexual orientation. Because of that, and due to time passing and later seeing those men in and outside of porn with boyfriends and in Gay Prode marches, I guess that the "straight" label might not be as useful as it used to be, I am only guessing since I personally don't look for that type of sexual orientation when hiring.

Edited August 20 by soloyo215

[+ KensingtonHomo]

1 hour ago, soloyo215 said:

Because of that, and due to time passing and later seeing those men in and outside of porn with boyfriends and in Gay Prode marches, I guess that the "straight" label might not be as useful as it used to be, I am only guessing since I personally don't look for that type of sexual orientation when hiring.

Yeah, we're looking at a provider right now and his profile says he's straight. However, in researching him he seems INCREDIBLY gay. All his porn is gay; his Insta is gay, etc. And he's not ubermasculine or what have you.  So I'm guessing it's just a marketing tactic. 

Edited to add: We're going someplace with very few listed providers or I wouldn't have considered someone who said they were "straight." 

Edited August 20 by KensingtonHomo