Upset by Upcharges?

[+ keroscenefire]

3 minutes ago, Muscleking said:

Generally most escorts have different prices for different things.

This is not my general experience. It has been recently with a few guys (hence this post) but there are quite a few escorts that provide most of what I want from a gay sexual experience at the agreed upon price. 

I 100% respect limits and if they cannot cum or cannot bottom that's okay. But to do so for an extra price I think is a bit tacky honestly. We're at $300 an hour now standard for hiring. I am honestly not interested in paying that much if all it gets me is 10 minutes of being fucked by a guy. I want to actually use the whole hour and have a nice experience where I can do a lot of different sexual things. 

And there are many guys who will do that and some who see clients as an ATM machine to extract as much money as possible. I know which ones I rehire.

[pubic_assistance]

2 hours ago, keroscenefire said:

I'm used to $300 an hour being the standard

OK. But escorting isn't regulated with "standards" like gas prices, or the price of milk.

Every escort is going to have different viewpoints about what his time is worth. And when it comes to "extras" I would say extra effort = extra cost.

So I never have a problem with someone quoting their price for their time. But I have my own ideas about how much I want to cough-up for a bit of fun...so rather than be insulted I just say thanks-but-no-thanks and move on.

[Muscleking]

1 hour ago, keroscenefire said:

This is not my general experience. It has been recently with a few guys (hence this post) but there are quite a few escorts that provide most of what I want from a gay sexual experience at the agreed upon price. 

I 100% respect limits and if they cannot cum or cannot bottom that's okay. But to do so for an extra price I think is a bit tacky honestly. We're at $300 an hour now standard for hiring. I am honestly not interested in paying that much if all it gets me is 10 minutes of being fucked by a guy. I want to actually use the whole hour and have a nice experience where I can do a lot of different sexual things. 

And there are many guys who will do that and some who see clients as an ATM machine to extract as much money as possible. I know which ones I rehire.

I respect your experience but at the end of the day engaging with an escort for sexual pleasure is in fact a “job” for the escort so unfortunately we are in some ways the ATM for them, they most likely aren’t having sex with you or me for any other reason other than us paying them, so it should be expected that they will charge you for what they deem necessary. But they best way to avoid extra fees etc is to send your first message with clear information of what you want and expect and either the escort can accept and tell you the price or decline. 

[+ keroscenefire]

15 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

So I never have a problem with someone quoting their price for their time. But I have my own ideas about how much I want to cough-up for a bit of fun...so rather than be insulted I just say thanks-but-no-thanks and move on.

I appreciate your prespective but you also bring up the point that the price is for their time on a both technical and legal level. If a guy charges $300 an hour that is different than $300 an hour or $400 for (specific sexual act). The latter is a bit quid pro quo and I honestly could be interpreted in legally problematic ways IMO.

 

But yes in the specific cases I am talking about, I moved on from the one who was trying to negotiate activities before we met. 

[+ KensingtonHomo]

29 minutes ago, keroscenefire said:

I appreciate your prespective but you also bring up the point that the price is for their time on a both technical and legal level. If a guy charges $300 an hour that is different than $300 an hour or $400 for (specific sexual act). The latter is a bit quid pro quo and I honestly could be interpreted in legally problematic ways IMO.

 

I'm surprised the legal issue didn't come up sooner. If an escort sets prices for specific acts, arguing that the money is compensation for their time becomes difficult. 

I am pretty explicit about what I want. If someone doesn't offer that, I move on. The guy who recently stiffed me on my deposit, and I canceled because he said he doesn't kiss. 

If I'm hiring an escort who lists themselves as a top and offers various services, I expect them to be included in the overall price. Of course, if someone shows up smelling or dirty, a provider has every right to refuse service. 

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, KensingtonHomo said:

surprised the legal issue didn't come up sooner. If an escort sets prices for specific acts, arguing that the money is compensation for their time becomes difficult. 

All true. But really part of a different conversation. 

 

[+ Kevin Eagle]

I always state that my price is all-inclusive so that I can legitimately say the fee is for my time and it avoids any protracted negotiations about specific activities. Makes the experience more relaxed

[Medin]

On 9/1/2024 at 4:26 PM, keroscenefire said:

To be fair its a mixed bag. The bottom one was annoying because I specifically told him before that I am vers and wanted to flip and he said he was fine with that and then said he would only bottom for extra $$ once he showed up. The cumming one was a last minute thing on my end. You know of course in the moment I think it's hot when I guy cums but I also 100% cool if he's just like, I can't do that this time. It turned me off that he tried to do it as an upcharge.

The kissing one really through me off because it says kissing in his profile, I said I like to kiss and he was like oh I can do that for extra tips. That really turned me off. Kissing is a really important to me and I think it's a very typical part of sex/foreplay. So yeah that one was pretty annoying IMO.

I completely agree.  If they show kissing in their profile, I think nearly everyone would agree kissing would be included.   I have heard of all kinds of upcharges but I've never heard of kissing being one them.  

[+ DrownedBoy]

20 hours ago, Medin said:

I completely agree.  If they show kissing in their profile, I think nearly everyone would agree kissing would be included.   I have heard of all kinds of upcharges but I've never heard of kissing being one them.  

You missed a post I made about a certain provider who listed kissing, then said he charged $50 a kiss 😄

[jeezifonly]

Paid Only For My Time is literal in some cases.

I tried reporting it to the Better Business Bureau, but…🤷‍♂️

 

[Decatur Guy]

I don't have an issue with "upcharges" as long as it doesn't become a long laundry list and I know about them upfront.

But I can understand someone charging more for anal either way and more for bottoming than topping. Those are bigger asks, I think. 

Edited September 7 by Decatur Guy

[DWnyc]

On 9/4/2024 at 10:03 AM, Muscleking said:

Generally most escorts have different prices for different things, the key is to always be upfront about what you want and your expectations so that there is no misunderstanding.. but expecting for everything that would be considered “normal sex” to be included in the base price just isn’t the case. It should be a given that if you expect cum, the escort will likely charge extra for that as most guys probably can only cum once or twice a day, so cumming may limit their ability to work with other clients thus limiting how much money they can potentially make.. 

when it comes to kissing, that is a personal preference and more of like a boyfriend experience which in my opinion should happen naturally or be agreed upon before the appointment if you expect it, because let’s face it I’m sure if someone arrived with bad breath or bad hygiene the last thing the escort will want to do is kiss them. 
 

and bottoming also would require more work on the escorts side like cleaning and prepping etc So i can imagine them wanting to charge extra for that also especially if they’re listed as vers.. I’d suggest if u know you want to top maybe look for a guy who is listed as only bottom because then it’s a given that his price reflects that as a bottom . 

so all and all just be upfront about what you want and your expectations. 

All good … but providers should be in the business of … providing.

Clients can be upfront about certain requests.

But providers will often be vague or ambiguous in their response (or even in their original advertisements) and as a result clients may think they don’t even need to ask. 

More than once I’ve had a provider say something like “well we can talk about that when you get here” or “why are you making it so clinical, why not come over and we’ll go with the flow” etc 

Fine if providers have preferences that mean they place a premium on certain services, or only perform those depending “on the moment” (ie what they make of the client) but they should disclose this beforehand whether asked pre booking, or in their original posts if a common expectation (eg kissing). A few do (they’ll say “it depends” or something similar). Some will just leave it out so clients shouldn’t complain if they missed that in the ad and didn’t stop to ask.  But many are vague and perhaps deliberately so (eg to maximize bookings, hoping once a client is in the door they won’t miss something important to them or be prepared to pay extra for it).

[polythome]

6 hours ago, DWnyc said:

All good … but providers should be in the business of … providing.

Clients can be upfront about certain requests.

But providers will often be vague or ambiguous in their response (or even in their original advertisements) and as a result clients may think they don’t even need to ask. 

More than once I’ve had a provider say something like “well we can talk about that when you get here” or “why are you making it so clinical, why not come over and we’ll go with the flow” etc 

Fine if providers have preferences that mean they place a premium on certain services, or only perform those depending “on the moment” (ie what they make of the client) but they should disclose this beforehand whether asked pre booking, or in their original posts if a common expectation (eg kissing). A few do (they’ll say “it depends” or something similar). Some will just leave it out so clients shouldn’t complain if they missed that in the ad and didn’t stop to ask.  But many are vague and perhaps deliberately so (eg to maximize bookings, hoping once a client is in the door they won’t miss something important to them or be prepared to pay extra for it).

I've even had a guy renegotiate the cumming thing after I've already been working on his dick and it was pretty clear he was close to busting. Definitely a chemistry killer.

[+ keroscenefire]

15 hours ago, Decatur Guy said:

I don't have an issue with "upcharges" as long as it doesn't become a long laundry list and I know about them upfront.

But I can understand someone charging more for anal either way and more for bottoming than topping. Those are bigger asks, I think. 

See I just think anal sex is gay sex. I have no problem with a top provider (or really any provider) saying no to bottoming and certainly there is preperation involved. But all gay men know that the prep work to bottoming is just part of it. If you list yourself as a "vers" escort then in my opinion the client should be able to expect some sex with both topping and bottoming (if they talk about that ahead of time), not as an upcharge.

There are many, many "vers" providers that (not to mention bottom-only providers) do exactly that so those that only bottom for an upcharge do not come across well in my opinion. And I likely would not rehire them. Certainly I have not with the guy that pulled that on me even though he's pretty hot guy.