Homeless escorts

[+ glutes]

13 minutes ago, Charlie said:

How do you get a credit card without a home address?

At CVS or Walgreens you can by a credit card for cash. You have to register it with your real name (no stage names) and SSN. You don't need address.

[marylander1940]

49 minutes ago, Charlie said:

How do you get a credit card without a home address?

or a debit card, paid phone card, etc. 

Many homeless have phones, I've seen it myself many times. 

[ApexNomad]

[Thelatin]

2 hours ago, Charlie said:

How do you get a credit card without a home address?

There are work arounds for everything that a person living a “normal” life wouldn’t consider.   What people do to get by is incredible. 

[Jostar]

I know this one Pornstar that was once homeless. He told me he get a membership to a gym. Take a bath there and sleep on the park or underneath a bridge. Work cleaning dishes on a restaurant 

[marylander1940]

2 hours ago, Thelatin said:

There are work arounds for everything that a person living a “normal” life wouldn’t consider.   What people do to get by is incredible. 

Yes, especially in such a wealthy and entrepreneurial country like ours, if there's a need someone comes up with a way to sell a problem-solving service. 

Unfortunately, many communities can't figure it out how to deal this subject except "shipping" homeless to a big city. 

 

2 hours ago, Jostar said:

I know this one Pornstar that was once homeless. He told me he get a membership to a gym. Take a bath there and sleep on the park or underneath a bridge. Work cleaning dishes on a restaurant 

Yes, and some folks also sleep in their own car or rent a storage unit to sleep inside for as long as they don't get caught and also that's not doable in the entire country because of the weather. 

@MCR I'm going to send a link of this thrad to a couple of escorts I know who have been complaining about slow business lately. They should know how lucky they're compare to others! 

Edited yesterday at 08:41 PM by marylander1940
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[MiamiLooker]

Maybe he'll have to sleep in his Porsche.

[la_connor]

I volunteer for a local homeless outreach program. All our clients who aren't floridly schizophrenic have phones. They don't need a wireless plan or credit card. They connect to free Wi-Fi at churches, libraries, and transit stops. They talk and text using free services like Facebook Messenger.

[+ keroscenefire]

6 hours ago, Charlie said:

How does one get a phone without an address for the bill? Does he pay his advertising bill with cash? Something sounds fishy here.

There are many pre-paid plans like Mint Mobile that you buy $45 at once for 3 months or whatever. You can also get pre-paid credit cards with cash. You can also get a P.O. Box pretty easily and get bills sen there if need be. Some homeless shelters will also allow homeless to use that as an "address."

[+ keroscenefire]

I think this is more common then we think. You have to remember that for many escorting is one of the few jobs that some people can do to get money quickly when they can't have a regular job for whatever reason. "Homeless" also could mean that they don't have a permanent place to stay but rather couch-surf or go from place to place. I've hired a few escorts that I suspected were homeless.

I know a lot of the recent immigrant escorts like live in large groups and like maybe aren't technically homeless but like it's 5-6 guys living together in a one-bedroom apartment or even a hotel for a long period of time. It's very hard for recent immigrants to get an apartment because they have no credit. While many can legally work, it seems like a lot of them opt for under the table jobs like escorting or construction or whatever. Maybe they can make more money short-term that way but since they don't have any obvious "income" from a regular job and no pay-stubs, it ends up being even harder for them to get an apartment in the longrun. 

But even non-immigrants escorts are homeless. I know are a couple very popular escorts who have 50, 5-star reviews that are technically homeless. Travelling from city to city only in hotels and occasionally a clients home for an overnight is still homeless even if that seems like a glamorous escort. Some of them have drug addictions and mental health issues that make it hard for them to have a regular 9-5 job and the stability of a home so they choose the escorting lifestyle instead. I straight up asked one very popular escort where home is and he told me it's with whatever client he is with that night. 

I'd be curous if any escorts on here think of themselves as homeless. From my perspective, many are.

Edited 23 hours ago by keroscenefire

[Trick]

6 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Many prepaid phones simply need a CC on file to be charged every month to work. Many homeless have smart phones. 

I don’t even have a CC on file for my prepaid phone.  I just buy prepaid cards to load it up.

[+ DrownedBoy]

@keroscenefire is correct.

I bet a lot of clients here have hired homeless people without knowing, although the definition differs. I've had escorts that I later learned were either perpetually couch crashing or living in a flophouse extended stay place.

Likewise, the refugee I wanted to hire got moved to a different shelter, and constantly lost WiFi.

If they try to hide it, let them. I agree with those who say not to give them money. But do give them a shower and some way to brush their teeth.

You're much more likely to pick up the homeless on Grindr. But as we've been warned, desperation, disease, and possible mental illnesses can be a problem. 

[marylander1940]

18 minutes ago, Trick said:

I don’t even have a CC on file for my prepaid phone.  I just buy prepaid cards to load it up.

I know, I posted about it on here already

5 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

or a debit card, paid phone card, etc. 

Many homeless have phones, I've seen it myself many times. 

 

Edited yesterday at 10:28 PM by marylander1940

[marylander1940]

21 minutes ago, keroscenefire said:

I think this is more common then we think. You have to remember that for many escorting is one of the few jobs that some people can do to get money quickly when they can't have a regular job for whatever reason. "Homeless" also could mean that they don't have a permanent place to stay but rather couch-surf or go from place to place. I've met and even hired a few escorts that I suspected were homeless.

I know a lot of the recent immigrant escorts like live in large groups and like maybe aren't technically homeless but like it's 5-6 guys living together in a one-bedroom apartment or even a hotel for a long period of time. It's very hard for recent immigrants to get an apartment because they have no credit. While many can legally work, it seems like a lot of them opt for under the table jobs like escorting or construction or whatever. Maybe they can make more money short-term that way but since they don't have any obvious "income" from a regular job and no pay-stubs, it ends up being even harder for them to get an apartment in the longrun. 

But even non-immigrants escorts are homeless. I know are a couple very popular escorts who have 50, 5-star reviews that are technically homeless. Travelling from city to city only in hotels and occasionally a clients home for an overnight is still homeless even if that seems like a glamorous escort. Some of them have drug addictions and mental health issues that make it hard for them to have a regular 9-5 job and the stability of a home so they choose the escorting lifestyle instead. I straight up asked one very popular escort where home is and he told me it's with whatever client he is with that night. 

I'd be curous if any escorts on here think of themselves as homeless. From my perspective, many are.

Agreed but one thing is a trick in the alley in exchange for a joint or a $20 and something else would be having an ad in Rentmen. The latter being safer and also more likely to pull someone out of homelessness if he knows how to handle money and gets good advice.

I do know one case about an escort who simply has everything in his bag and no home, he's on the road 365 days per year. 

[Saabster]

I've known some guys on RM who get clients or sugar daddies to sponsor them. Often it's for several months at a time, so avoiding the need to renew/rebill once a month.

[moonlight]

If someone's sleeping on the street, then there are deeper issues than just homelessness and financial insecurity. It's a sign that someone has burned all their bridges, usually as a result of drug use, untreated mental illness, or simply having a personality that's incompatible with polite company. Don't put yourself in a position where you'll get burned too.

Oh, but to answer your actual question... that's a tough one. Honestly it would be good to know who this is so clients can steer clear, but on the other hand I could see how some might judge sharing that info to be in bad taste.

Edited 19 hours ago by moonlight

[Pd1_jap]

5 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

@keroscenefire is correct.

I bet a lot of clients here have hired homeless people without knowing, although the definition differs. I've had escorts that I later learned were either perpetually couch crashing or living in a flophouse extended stay place.

Likewise, the refugee I wanted to hire got moved to a different shelter, and constantly lost WiFi.

If they try to hide it, let them. I agree with those who say not to give them money. But do give them a shower and some way to brush their teeth.

You're much more likely to pick up the homeless on Grindr. But as we've been warned, desperation, disease, and possible mental illnesses can be a problem. 

I worked with a guy for a year without knowing he was sleeping out of his car.

[soloyo215]

  

On 10/20/2024 at 9:40 PM, MCR said:

I had a provider new to nyc reach out to me after i initiated communication with him inquiring about his services. He told me he couldn't pay for his dinner at a restaurant so i paid him the $31 for him to eat. Then he tells me he's homeless and sleeping in the street.   How do you guys feel about this? Would you like to know who it was so you can decide whether to steer clear from him or should i just let him do his thing?

There are resources for the homeless, not the best, not great, but beggars should not be choosers (I say "should" because it's USA, after all). However, I wonder if you initiated the conversation with him via a website. If so, he seems to have money to maintain a profile, a phone and a computer to keep it up and running.

And I know that there are public computer centers, programs that give technology access to the general public, and some are even in shelters for the homeless. However, to successfully run an escort business online, you need more than that. I know, not because I have been an escort, but because I have managed such technology access programs in the past, so there are constraints, rules, regulations, requisites and control over access and what type is "allowed". That makes me suspicious about the veracity of his reality.

I'd be suspicious. Personally, what I'd do is see him in person. I have a very sharp BS detector, so I could determine if he's lying about being homeless and needing $31 for a meal (I know it's New York, but still).

9 hours ago, moonlight said:

If someone's sleeping on the street, then there are deeper issues than just homelessness and financial insecurity. It's a sign that someone has burned all their bridges, usually as a result of drug use, untreated mental illness, or simply having a personality that's incompatible with polite company. Don't put yourself in a position where you'll get burned too.

Oh, but to answer your actual question... that's a tough one. Honestly it would be good to know who this is so clients can steer clear, but on the other hand I could see how some might judge sharing that info to be in bad taste.

Though I agree of those being many of the reasons for homelessness, there are many other factors, and they don't necessarily have to do with the attitude of the homeless person. If that was the case, I should have been homeless for my entire adult life. I wouldn't vilify the homeless person. The "Incompatible with polite company" thing seems to be dictated by the person who has the power over finances and decisions around how the person should be living. Some people are victims, and some people seem to deserve being homeless by their own actions. I think that should be out of scope. Having the financial means to live doesn't entitle people to determine what is and isn't "polite".

Edited 9 hours ago by soloyo215
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[ShortCutie7]

Really surprised that it could even be possible for a homeless person or recent immigrant to have a credit card- I’m in my 30s, have lived here my whole life, have a full time job and two debit cards, but can’t get approved for a credit card because I don’t have enough credit history!

Anyway, back on topic, you can easily avoid homeless escorts if that’s an issue for you by doing incalls only with escorts who are based out of the city you are in.

[moonlight]

1 hour ago, soloyo215 said:

  

 

Though I agree of those being many of the reasons for homelessness, there are many other factors, and they don't necessarily have to do with the attitude of the homeless person. If that was the case, I should have been homeless for my entire adult life. I wouldn't vilify the homeless person. The "Incompatible with polite company" thing seems to be dictated by the person who has the power over finances and decisions around how the person should be living. Some people are victims, and some people seem to deserve being homeless by their own actions. I think that should be out of scope. Having the financial means to live doesn't entitle people to determine what is and isn't "polite".

What I meant by that was that some people have personalities that preclude honest and safe dealing with other people -- in other words, criminals. That comment was in no way meant to describe homeless people in general. Just something I would be attuned to if dealing with someone living on the streets (which is a more specific population than "homeless"). For the record, I don't place blame on this general group of people for their circumstances and believe most of them are victims of forces beyond their individual control. I'll leave it at that.

Edited 8 hours ago by moonlight

[pubic_assistance]

On 10/21/2024 at 9:29 AM, robberbaron4u said:

And there you have it. The one and only time I have been robbed in the course of thirty years of hiring was occasioned by taking pity on a "homeless" escort, well-known in the "carriage trade", in need. However, notoriety in the business did not serve to alleviate his desperation in dire circumstances.   

There's a gay couple living next door to me. They like to hook up with other guys. They also told me of a "nice" guy they met who was "technically" homeless. They took pity on him and let him crash on their sofa for several weeks...until they came home one day and the "nice" guy had cleaned them out of all their valuables.

[ApexNomad]

I’m curious to hear more from the OP.

In my experience, I haven’t really encountered this with the providers I’ve met. Most of the escorts I’ve come across—especially in NY and LA—are doing very well for themselves. Very well! A lot depends on the geographical market, and it’s not true for everyone of course.

I tend to hire escorts who are at least 30, mostly 35+. One lives in a luxury doorman building in midtown (I had to cover his Uber from his midtown apartment to my midtown hotel, but that’s another story), another lives in a gorgeous penthouse on the Upper West Side, and one has a vacation home in Puerto Rico.

I once had a provider tell me he was having a difficult month paying his bills, yet he proceeded to take off his Apple Watch and strip off his Tom Ford underwear.

Just as their time with clients may involve elements of fantasy, the perception of escorting can sometimes mask the complexities of their realities.

[+ DrownedBoy]

3 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

There's a gay couple living next door to me. They like to hook up with other guys. They also told me of a "nice" guy they met who was "technically" homeless. They took pity on him and let him crash on their sofa for several weeks...until they came home one day and the "nice" guy had cleaned them out of all their valuables.

I hate to say it, but many gays take advantage of the homeless, historically and currently.

If you ever talk to homeless people, ask them how they feel about the LGBT community. You will likely not get a good answer.

In LA (and hopefully most other cities), the cops know the story. An older gay man calls because some homeless kid is causing trouble and won't leave. The old man always says he was just trying to "help the kid out," and the cop always writes it up as a domestic.

[ApexNomad]

28 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

I hate to say it, but many gays take advantage of the homeless, historically and currently.

If you ever talk to homeless people, ask them how they feel about the LGBT community. You will likely not get a good answer.

In LA (and hopefully most other cities), the cops know the story. An older gay man calls because some homeless kid is causing trouble and won't leave. The old man always says he was just trying to "help the kid out," and the cop always writes it up as a domestic.

I’m pretty sure if you talk to a homeless person, the first thing on their mind isn’t “down with them gays”—it’s more likely “I wish I wasn’t homeless.” The real issue here is society failing the disenfranchised as a whole, including the LGBTQ+ community.