Danny Damon/verifying escort's age?

[Guest trekker]

fedssocr:

>Oh c'mon. You guys don't honestly

>think this kid is under

>18 do you? To me

>he looks like a 19

>year old like he says

>he is. I certainly wouldn't

>be carding him.

 

Are you seriously claiming that you can tell the difference between a 17 year old and a 19 year old by looking at one picture on a computer screen?

[Guest Traveler]

>

>If someone is going to start

>escorting before they reach the

>age of consent, then there's

>a very good chance that

>they're going to use false

>identification.

 

Yes, but if they present a false identification, you can be pretty sure they're not with law enforcement. I can't see how one could be prosecuted for seducing a minor if they went to all that trouble to lie about his age. If the guy both represents himself as an adult on his website and provides a falsified ID, I think one could show that one took every precaution to ensure he was of the age of consent.

On the other hand, I still find it a little disturbing that the subject of this discussion still denies being youthful-appearing. There have been other 18 and 19 year-olds reviewed on this site, and Danny looks the youngest. He's not the only 18 or 19 year-old out there. It also seems that he has an SF phone number. How many UC Berkeley students live in the City?

[Bilbo]

I don't know about not being able to use false IDs but anyone who thinks that vice cops can't lie in the process of an entrapment is living in America as it should be, not as it is.

[Justice]

Everyone agrees that hiring an underaged escort is something that should be avoided at all costs. Just in case people do not get the message, Georgia just passed a law that would make pimping an underaged prostitute a major felony that would subject the pimp to some serious jail time and asset forfiture. Hopefully this new law will go a long way towards eliminating the problem.

[Will]

Traveler is right. There is something fishy -- and therefore scary -- about the divine Danny. As a university professor who has had many students go on to graduate school at UC Berkeley, for example, I have NEVER heard one of them refer to it as "Cal Berkeley." It's either just "Berkeley," or "UC Berkeley." So I don't believe that whoever wrote that reply is a sophomore at Berkeley.

 

Furthermore, I don't believe that whoever wrote that reply is a sophomore anywhere. I teach at an extremely selective, private, "elite" institution. And I have been teaching since before Danny, whoever he is, was even alive. The syntax, rhythm, vocabulary, and all the rest of that reply do not sound like a 19-year-old. Or if he is indeed a 19-year-old, one wonders why such a mature writer -- and therefore an obviously superior student -- has time to hustle on the side.

 

On the basis of my experienced-based hunch, it looks to me as though this might well be a sting operation. Traveler is a smart man, a very smart man, and it seems to me that one would be wise to follow his suggestion and pass by that pretty thing called "Danny" with nothing more than an admiring glance.

[Guest albinorat]

>

>Furthermore, I don't believe that whoever

>wrote that reply is a

>sophomore anywhere. The syntax,

>rhythm, vocabulary, and all the

>rest of that reply do

>not sound like a 19-year-old.

> Or if he is

>indeed a 19-year-old, one wonders

>why such a mature writer<

 

I agree with you, Will, but I wonder if you mind if I take a different view?

 

>it looks to me

>as though this might well

>be a sting operation.<

 

In between stints in colleges (teaching) I've worked in show biz most of my life. I have seen 30 year olds who could look really 15 on a stage; and look "college age" even in a movie close up. I have never seen a Caucasian 15 or 16 year old who really looked older, even if they had big or well-developed bodies. Caucasian faces mature slowly. Danny has hard, firm cheekbones and a fully developed Adam’s apple. Neither would be the case in a 16 year old. In fact may 16 year olds tend to look younger rather than older (and so do many 20 year olds).

 

I don't mean to sound racist by the above; but African-American teenagers can indeed look older, just as Asians from some areas in their 30s can still look like teenagers.

 

Danny looks to me like a 24 year old who is very young looking; even the "other pix" on his web site look like he is trying to "young himself up" with the hair, shirt, camera angle and lighting (not hard to do even with a cheap camera). I will also mention that several escorts reviewed here who look like teenagers and claim (as Danny does) to be just a little older are pushing 30.

 

You may be right about the sting, and I would certainly give Danny a wide berth until there are other real reviews certifying his age. It's always better to be safe, even if he advertises himself as being of age and presents a plausible false ID. If I'm wrong and he really is underage, better to avoid the issue than to have to hope a judge who views all gay people as "pedophiles" buys you went to reasonable lengths to assure yourself he was of age.

 

But frankly, for what it's worth, I think this is an SF young pro (at least 19 but probably older) who over achieved in trying to look young.

 

Al

[Traveller]

>As a university

>professor who has had many

>students go on to graduate

>school at UC Berkeley, for

>example, I have NEVER heard

>one of them refer to

>it as "Cal Berkeley."

>It's either just "Berkeley," or

>"UC Berkeley."

 

Cal Berkeley is the way my father, or at least someone pushing retirement, used to refer to UC Berkeley.

 

Later.

[Guest Consultant_online]

>It's either just "Berkeley," or

>"UC Berkeley." So I

>don't believe that whoever wrote

>that reply is a sophomore

>at Berkeley.

>

Berkley, Shmerkley - I think this is getting over-analyzed. Next someone will want to phone him and use a voice stress analyzer to see if he's lying. Guys, if I didn't live like 2000 miles from SF, I'd call him in a heartbeat. Yes, there is such a thing as healthy paranoia but as others have pointed out there are some reasonable precautions you can take against an underage sting.

 

And on a face to face meeting I think most of us can tell the difference between a 16 and a 19 year old (geez who's 30 and passing themselves off as 19 at that?) escort. Facially, Danny looks about the same age as Justin of Campus Escorts in New York, who I know to be 19 and a college sophomore.

 

I know I was in at the beginning of this thread being suspicious myself, but now I'm thinking we should give the guy a chance and wait for a few reliable reviews to roll in. Any volunteers out there? :9 :9

[Guest AsnBoyToy]

LAST EDITED ON Mar-31-01 AT 05:00AM (EST)[p]To put it mildly, you guys crack me up. I think this entire discussion says so much more about ourselves as customers than it says about Danny. I am a legitimate Hooboy reader/reviewer who has submitted a review in the past about the Nob Hill Theatre in SF (7-22-2000, Review #3), and I have known and hired Danny before he even had a web page. He is 19 years old (20 in June), he is one of the most beautiful boys I've ever laid eyes on, he is a student at UC Berkeley and he is as sharp as a tack.

 

This orgy of mean-spirited insinuation and far-fetched accusation makes me sick to my stomach, especially when I know how sweet and genuine Danny really is. It is beyond pathetic that we are analyzing his telephone area code and the way he refers to his college. Has our own persecution as gay men taught us nothing except to ape our homophobic oppressors by hastily pointing our fingers in condemnation at our most vulnerable members?

 

Even after Danny himself responded to this controversy in a mature, gracious and eloquent manner, his intelligence and verbal skills were somehow misinterpreted as proof that no one so gorgeous and young could possibly write so well. Jeez Louise! What kind of writing did you expect from a sophomore at one of the best universities in the country? Did you really expect him to have a room-temperature I.Q.?

 

When some of us can only accept Danny if he is a bonafide bimbo, it shows that we are guilty of the same insensitivity that we complain about in our negative reviews of rentboys:

"He treated me as a one-dimensional object to exploit and not as a person or a human being."

 

What does it say about us when we automatically assume that beauty and brains are a contradiction? What does it say about us when we immediately think that youth and deceitfulness/stupidity go hand in hand? And what does it say about us when our dream-boy comes along and some of us are so suspicious that we think it's a police set-up? Sheesh! Does the word "jaded" come to mind? Does the shifty mentality of the stereotypical "old troll" also come to mind?

 

Danny is one of the sexiest, nicest, and most conscientious escorts I've ever had in San Francisco. Give this fine young man a break. He deserves a lot better than to be dragged over the coals by ignorant, paranoid know-it-alls who obviously wouldn't know a good thing if it walked up and bit them on their fat wrinkly asses. You skeptical ones with your clumsy Gestapo mindsets should be ashamed of yourselves for instigating this ugly, disgusting witch hunt.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

LAST EDITED ON Mar-31-01 AT 01:24AM (EST)[p]Al,

 

One minor point to differ on...

 

>I have never seen a Caucasian

>15 or 16 year old who really

>looked older, even if they had

>big or well-developed bodies.

>Caucasian faces mature slowly.

 

At age 16 I routinely passed for 21 in some of tampa's tougher liquor stores... I had a friend the same age who could have passed for 30, maybe 35... I guess life can be hard in the subtropics, or maybe we just did some hard living early on in life... :-)

[Guest Traveler]

>Traveler is right. There is

>something fishy -- and therefore

>scary -- about the divine

>Danny. As a university

>professor who has had many

>students go on to graduate

>school at UC Berkeley, for

>example, I have NEVER heard

>one of them refer to

>it as "Cal Berkeley."

>It's either just "Berkeley," or

>"UC Berkeley." So I

>don't believe that whoever wrote

>that reply is a sophomore

>at Berkeley

 

Just for the record, I have no relationship to the "Traveller" with two "l"'s (I wasn't aware there was one when I first signed up). Anyways, although I'm the one who started asking the question which started this all, and having five family members who've either attended or taught at Cal before, I must point out that locals do indeed call it "Cal Berkeley." This is especially true when talking to non-locals. When talking to locals, we often call it just "Cal," but to not confuse others, we often add the "Berkeley" to non SF-Bay area people. I don't doubt that he could be a student at Cal, but I would have to insist on some age-verifying ID if I hired him, just the same. My main reason to question whether he goes to Cal is why he has a SF phone number (it's unusual, not impossible).

[marc anthony]

mmmmm... Justin of Campus is my favorite!!!! If Danny is close to being that good, I found my favorite on the West Coast as well! By the way, Justin is really 19, does look very young, and is a pretty sharp cookie in his own right as well. Lots of similarties. Take it from a twink lover, I'd hire Danny in a flash!

[Guest safesane]

> I must point

>out that locals do indeed

>call it "Cal Berkeley."

>This is especially true when

>talking to non-locals. When

>talking to locals, we often

>call it just "Cal," but

>to not confuse others, we

>often add the "Berkeley" to

>non SF-Bay area people.

 

To my fellow clients out there:

If you hire a SF escort and he refers to San Francisco as "Frisco",you better conduct an investigation.We all know the locals refer to it as "The City". ;-)

[Guest neverenough]

So, what is the final decision here. Is he too young or is he working with the cops. I would be more concerned if he was with the cops, but if he is then maybe both problems exhist. I saw a bounced review for Danny, I wonder if Hooboy tries more than once to find out the bad email. He looks cute, but I'd like to feel better about the cops issue first.

[Guest shadow]

If I was in San Francisco, I'd hire him.

 

Also, Cal Berkeley is one of the nicknames used for Berkeley.

[Guest shadow]

>

>I don't mean to sound racist

>by the above; but African-American

>teenagers can indeed look older,

>just as Asians from some

>areas in their 30s can

>still look like teenagers.

>

 

Not to be argumentive, but I would take this statement with a grain of salt.

[HooBoy]

I have in my posession a copy of his California drivers license and maybe I will post it, but maybe I won't. This sort of thing can really get out of hand.

 

And his address is within the SF city limits.

 

His DOB is 6/6/81.

 

Being that I am getting reviews on him, I do not think he is a "cop" nor affiliated with the "cops."

 

I am personally embarrassed that this site has caused him the grief that he is experiencing and Danny, if you read this, please accept my apology.

 

HooBoy

Email: HooBoy@male4malescorts.com

[Guest neverenough]

Thanks Hooboy.... you made my day and maybe a night. i plan to make a trip up from LA just to see him. I figured he was ok but as a beginner at this escort thing i just don't know the rules and regs... Well I can't wait now .... thanks :9 I am from Northern Cal myself and I've often head of Cal referred to as Cal Berkeley. Actually more often as Cal Berkeley than just Cal. Now Frisco, this just indicates he is not native to the bay area or the younger generation has changed how they talk about the bay area..... I went to college with a guy from San Jose who referred to San Francisco as Frisco......it drove me crazy. Anyway, thanks again Hooboy. I was never worried about the age thing, but the cops is always in the back of my mind.....

[Guest EvilSwine]

I don't think that there would have been as many questions asked if Danny weren't so tasty-looking. Seems like a lot of guys are interested and just concerned that he isn't too good to be true.

[Guest Traveler]

>I have in my posession a

>copy of his California drivers

>license and maybe I will

>post it, but maybe I

>won't. This sort of

>thing can really get out

>of hand.

>

>And his address is within the

>SF city limits.

>

>His DOB is 6/6/81.

>

>Being that I am getting reviews

>on him, I do not

>think he is a "cop"

>nor affiliated with the "cops."

>

>

>I am personally embarrassed that this

>site has caused him the

>grief that he is experiencing

>and Danny, if you read

>this, please accept my apology.

 

As the originator of this discussion, I'm very sorry to hear Danny has experienced grief over this thread. I merely wanted to hear others' experiences with escorts who appeared under-aged, and whether it was appropriate to ask for some verification of age. After all, getting caught with someone under age would ruin most people's lives.

 

I hope Danny could try to see the flip side, and feel complimented by all the attention he's attracted. By the same token, there seems to be little doubt from the responses here but that this thread has increased his business (i.e. people coming from out of town to meet him).

 

Although the last four escorts I've hired have been in their 30s, this discussion has been very instructive. With respect to Danny, Hooboy's having seen his driver's license settles this particular escort's age issue. Good luck in your academic and escorting career, Danny! :-)

[Guest AsnBoyToy]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-10-01 AT 07:31PM (EST)[p]Well, I hope you guys are finally satisfied that Danny is legit, and now you're saying that you're willing to hire him. Gee, how very magnanimous and big of you. In case you're wondering, I'm saying that sarcastically. Have you no shame at all? Of course, you skeptics were protected by anonymity while trashing this nice young man's credibility, so there's no accountability for you doubters. How convenient.

 

After almost gleefully inflicting irreparable damage on this poor teenager's reputation, and causing him so much grief, you're NOW ready to hire him. Well, it could be too late, thanks to the hate-fest carried on here by you paranoid queens.

 

Danny has informed me that a family crisis has forced him to take a break from escorting for a week or more, and thereafter he might severely scale back on the new customers he is willing to see. He'll still see regular clients like myself whom he's known for a while, and after all, I'm just about the ONLY one besides Hoo-boy who came to his defense (messages #33 & #41 in this string).

 

He's actually seriously considering quitting escorting altogether. Danny has temporarily dismantled his web page and is taking a hiatus to give it some careful thought. Don't believe me? Try accessing his web page. It's down, and maybe for good. I hope you're all satisfied. Karma can be a bitch.

 

I honestly don't know whether he'll quit or not, and I'm not speaking for Danny in any way or being his mouthpiece. In the meantime, Danny will have more time and flexibility in his schedule for me, and those who have actually demonstrated a concern for his well-being. I am very impressed with Hoo-boy that he stepped in and squashed all of this childish speculation.

 

Next time I hope that some of us will exercise a little more decency, restraint and judgment before lambasting someone like Danny who is so undeserving of such nastiness.

[Guest albinorat]

>After almost gleefully inflicting irreparable damage

>on this poor teenager's reputation,

>and causing him so much

>grief<

 

I beg your pardon? This 'teenager' was advertising as an "escort"? Are you unclear what that means?

 

>Irreparable damage on a teenager's reputation?<

 

Honey, he could have stuck to you and a few other hysterics. But he went public. Just how many people in the "real world" would ever know or need to know he was escorting? Would he want, say, his mom and dad, or his classmates to know he was escorting?

 

I mean, I'm proud to be a client, thrilled when I can afford it and I think good escorts are more valuable than all the shrinks on the Upper West Side. But let's be real, that's not an opinion the world shares. Reputation? Is Danny going to put "male escort" or his resume?

 

Give me a break!

 

>He'll still see

>regular clients like myself whom

>he's known for a while<

 

So what's your problem? Are you pimping Danny? Do you have a piece of him? If he only sees you and a few others isn't that better than his becoming so popular his fees go up, he's less available and burns out or gets busted? Why should you care about his "escorting career"?

 

> Karma can

>be a bitch.>

 

It sure can and you better remember that, you give me the heebie jeebies and I'm not sure you're doing your adored Danny any favors.

 

I am very

>impressed with Hoo-boy that he

>stepped in<

 

Yes, it was great of him, case closed.

 

>Next time I hope that some

>of us will exercise a

>little more decency, restraint and

>judgment before lambasting someone like

>Danny who is so undeserving

>of such nastiness<

 

What nastiness? I didn't detect any attacks on Danny. Honey, laws are out there and we're all potential targets. "Danny" should learn that, if he hasn't already and be protecting himself. I was prepared to believe he was of age and posted why. But it was only reasonable to wait for either more reviews by posters with track records (you have posted twice on this message board and never reviewed anyone far as I know)or an intervention by Hoo Boy.

 

That came and others were evidently anxious to hire him. But a concern that he wasn't underage or working undercover is only common sense and that's what most of these posts were about.

 

Al

[Guest AsnBoyToy]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-10-01 AT 09:00PM (EST)[p]I'm proud to be

>a client, thrilled when I

>can afford it and I

>think good escorts are more

>valuable than all the shrinks

>on the Upper West Side.

>But let's be real, that's

>not an opinion the world

>shares. Reputation? Honey, is Danny going

>to put "male escort" or

>his resume?

 

Apparently you think that as a "proud client," the escorts you hire are so low that they can't possibly have a reputation to protect. You so obviously look down on escorts like Danny in your patronizing, condescending comments, and you imply that escorts don't deserve to protect their reputations as reliable, diligent professionals. How far can hypocrisy go?

 

Why do you think this website exists? To give credit where credit is due to the good escorts; to establish their "reputations." Get it? Someone like me comes to their defense and you automatically start labeling me a "pimp," accusing me of all kinds of unfounded dirty dealings. Excuse me, but YOU'RE the "hysteric" pointing your finger irrationally and hastily at anyone else except yourself. It is exactly your type of quick-to-judge, arrogant pea-brained mentality that created this mess in the first place.

 

Apparently, someone as unempathetic, unaware and primitive as yourself has great need for ALL "the shrinks on the Upper West Side," and it's painfully clear that you've had a disproportionately large amount of therapy. I'm afraid your hour is up, and don't call me honey, you creep.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

AsnBoyToy,

 

IMHO you are way over the top on this... i.e overreacting to this thread in general and to specific posters.

[Guest AsnBoyToy]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-10-01 AT 09:31PM (EST)[p]>AsnBoyToy,

>

>IMHO you are way over the

>top on this... i.e

>overreacting to this thread in

>general and to specific posters.

>

 

Well, I can only say that I'm simply giving back exactly what I'm getting from the "albino rat" poster, and letting the rodent and others know the specifics about how they've damaged Danny. Apparently, the truth of the matter hurts them and makes them feel guilty. Nevertheless, I'm sorry if I was out of line and lost my cool, but I am glad that I spoke up.