Friends with Escorts

[Guest bottomboykk]

The counter has been messed up for a while. You can't rely on the number being accurate.

[Barry]

oh yeah. Now I remember. Thanx for reminding me BBKK.

 

I still hope it's just a sick joke and Konga is not serious. :-(

[Guest bottomboykk]

I agree. I approved the posting of that message, since it didn't violate any of the guidelines, but I've been puzzling over it since then. I'm still not sure if the guy is serious or not, but if he is, he has major problems if the mere fact of him being an escort is reason enough to terminate a friendship, he's one sick guy.

[Guest DVS]

>I agree. I approved the posting

>of that message, since it

>didn't violate any of the

>guidelines, but I've been puzzling

>over it since then. I'm

>still not sure if the

>guy is serious or not,

>but if he is, he

>has major problems if the

>mere fact of him being

>an escort is reason enough

>to terminate a friendship, he's

>one sick guy.

 

 

I think this is a attempt to get a rise our of the thread. This guy was one of those dangerous people I mentioned in my previous response One who is one hamburger short of a happy meal.

 

I trust most people to the degree of civility. This does not make me naive and I believe most people here are trusting to a enlighten respect. This seems to me to be a bad attempt at being funny.

 

If Konga the Author is truely hurt maybe he should seek counseling for being so shallow. Escorts are people too and most are trying to earn a buck to live, some better than others but that is another story. I have meet a few wonderful people in my escort hiring days and whether it was a total fake well I guess I will never know but remember there is no prize only money and referrals which come to even the worst escorts as we have seen on these threads before.

 

Again happy hiring!

[Guest cp8036]

Must be a silly joke. The man has some insecurities.

 

If someone came to visit me each day, and helped secure an apartment they are a good freind.

 

Likewise, someone that helps you move is a good freind too !!!!

 

So what if his past was something you didnt approve of. That never was an issue when was a friend .

[Guest pickwick]

It seems obvious to me that the Konga post is an elaborate exercise in sarcasm. The author is trying to reprove and ridicule those who are doubtful about making friends with escorts by acting the part of someone who disapproves of escorts so much that he ends a relationship with a wonderful friend immediately after finding out he's an escort. Could his motives be any clearer?

 

My advice to him is to climb down from the high horse on which he is perched. That escorts are often deceitful and pretend feelings they don't have in order to make money is a fact that many of us have learned through experience. We don't deserve to be lectured simply because we point out something that is unquestionably true.

[Bilbo]

I think that Konga was simply making a point. By dramatizing our worst fears he probably meant to show us how ridiculous some of them are. By illustrating what it really means when we say that we can't make friends with escorts by showing us where some of our thinking would lead to, he has made the point well that we shouldn't think that way.

 

Don't get me wrong. I only think that he is a satirist, not a sicko, I don't know it for sure and I am definitely not him myself. Still, Tom was not the first Swift.

[+ deej]

Oh, someone who helps you move is a TRUE friend!

 

Particularly when you're moving into a 4th floor walkup! :-)

[bluenix]

The story is ironic - its point is the opposite of what is actually said. Like Johnathan Swift's famous essay, "A Modest Proposal," where he suggests a program to help the Irish poor: sell their children to be eaten for food.

 

The point of this satire is to criticize. He means to show how ridiculous some of the conversations here are by taking certain ideas about friendship with escorts to extreme conclusions.

 

How am I so sure? Well, for starters, check out Kanga's other posting under the Silverbacks thread, where he writes as a gorilla.

[Guest MrMan]

I believe a "tedious exercise in sarcasm" is more appropriate a

description of Konga's post. I can't see how anyone could have

thought this was for real. What a transparent little fable this

man has spun. If, and that's a big IF, this story is true. it

sounds like the escort is better off without this judgmental

hypocrite in his life.

 

I've found honesty is best in the long run. I tell people who

I meet right up front what I do. Some are ok with it, others

aren't and that's fine with me. The truth weeds people out of

your life who may otherwise judge you or love you Conditionally.

What you're left with are friends who love and care for you as

you are. There's no fear of them finding out anything about you

that would alter the friendship down the road.

 

It takes a lot of courage to live your life this openly, but

I guarantee you it's worth. I don't question any of my relation-

ships. I know where I stand with everyone in my life. It's been

a liberating and spiritual experience working as an escort for

the past decade. We can learn so much about ourselves through

intimate friendships, but what we are able to learn is directly

linked to how honest we've been with our "friends".

 

I'm not a liar, nor do I make a living by lying. Most of my

clients hire me to fulfill a fantasy. We both enter into this

knowing it's not "real". It's a form of entertainment or escape.

Is it REAL or is it MEMOREX ?? Why should it matter, especially

if you're enjoying yourself.

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

>check out Kanga's other posting under the Silverbacks thread, where he writes as a gorilla<

 

A gorilla in our midst! Maybe it's Sigourney Weaver.

[ready4boi]

Konga's message does come across as extreme but I don't it's about whether or not it is true. It could've been a part of a larger story. The point of Konga's message was to stress how manipulative and dishonest escorts can be. Like someone had mentioned the message just came across wrong.

[ted]

Anyone, other than me, entertain the theory that Konga's post is an attempt at "irony". Difficult to pull off in email or on the web, when expression is usually lacking.

[Bilbo]

Yes, Ted, I too think that it is Ready4 who totally missed the point of that post.

[Guest Konga]

>Konga's message does come across as extreme...

>The point of Konga's message was to stress

>how manipulative and dishonest escorts can be.

 

I'm sorry, but that was not its' purpose. Its' point was to stress how many clients THINK that escorts in general are manipulative and dishonest. The number of men here who feel that way is what I find extreme.

 

>Like someone had mentioned,

>the message just came across wrong.

 

Gentlemen. My deepest apologies for creating this small stir over what my idiotic and contradictory post may have meant. Some have hoped it was a sick joke. I share that wish. Unfortunately, the original post is more of a sick mirror than a joke. It's "attempted irony" may be incidental, but I believe it's expression was dead on. I meant to render a painfully obvious portrait, representative of the basic current of this thread, using only words gleened from this discussion as inspiration. I selected my source material from the following quotes, pulled from this very thread. I did not make them up. They are buried here among the varied replies for all to read and respond to in whichever form of expression a poster so chooses. Granted, the following presentation of them may take some of the sentiments expressed out of context, but when reading this entire thread and considering it as a whole, it was impossible for me to maintain the context of each individual post. Therefore, I found myself left with the following indelible thoughts:

 

"this guy just appears to be so cool and has the same interests as me. I know this could be an act, but is it a mistake for me to pursue trying to be a friend to him"

 

"Your mind plays games with you and you honestly begin to believe a relationship can develop"

 

"many, if not most,...are out just for the money and will take all they can get"

 

"you can bet that there's little hope of true friendship"

 

"I thought I had made friends with some other escorts only to question the friendship when our encounters did not always go as planned."

 

"If you are significantly older than he is and if you are less than beautiful, he probably would not want you as a close friend"

 

"many people are apprehensive or unwilling or just plain don't want to be friends with the "'boss'" --which, unfortunately, is how many escorts feel towards most of their clients"

 

"Escorting does not require an oath of ethics...."

 

"you feel like he is a friend. But he probably is just doing his job"

 

"you have no way of knowing how he really feels"

 

"This is an emotionally very dangerous game and I think you should keep your wits about you and assume that the freindship is not real"

 

"very few are able to keep up a facade twenty-four hours a day for days at a time, so this experience should give you some indication of his real feelings"

 

"nobody ever said it was going to be easy huh?"

 

"No you haven't, you're just deluding yourself. He hasn't shared anything of true significance with you. Is that what you call a friendship?"

 

"If you happen to establish a relationship beyond escort/client, you still need to step back and consider if it is really a friendship, or is it manipulation"

 

"The best escorts are masters of illusion"

 

"If the guy is still hanging around even though no cash/ or free Hamptons house time has exchanged hands, then you may be friends"

 

"I have so little in common with the escorts I've seen that I don't see how it would be possible for us to have another sort of relationship even if I wanted to"

 

"I have no desire to become close friends with them"

 

"I don't think these kinds of relationships are the norm"

 

"I don't think of escorts as friends"

 

"I recognize the fact that my relationship with an escort is based on my money and their charms"

 

"The notion that escorts can be completely unwilling to divulge their real name is bothersome to me"

 

"I think facade is the word for it"

 

"That escorts are often deceitful and pretend feelings they don't have in order to make money is a fact that many of us have learned through experience"

 

"Many of them lie for a living and are able to be very sexually dubious"

 

When juxtaposed against all of these thoughts and words, my original post seems less harsh I think. More of a chiming in really. Why my condensation of these attitudes is cursed, yet all of the previous quips were allowed unmolested, is not quite clear to me.

It is my hope that not every poster quoted will now feel compelled to respond and clarify his words. Their meaning can already be found in this thread next to the rest of each post, or, we can just consider them as they stand. I also hope that no one feels that they personally are under attack. As I read this thread initially, I heard all as one unhappy voice speaking loudly and distinctly. Frankly, it was easy for me to succumb to the mob mentality. Unless I've misunderstood the jist of this thread, it seems to me that there may be a couple of "good" escorts out there, who can behave like "real" people when put to the "test", but the rest have no use beyond that of the bedroom, even the "nice" ones who "act" the part. Hopefully the non-clients in these escorts lives do not all feel the same way as many people here. I'm sure more escorts would speak up in defense of themselves and their methods if they weren't afraid of the mob turning on them. Who'll stand up for themselves when it means the risk of losing their income (i.e. alienating the very clients who view them as being incapable of honest rudimentary human emotion?) Knowing how so many clients truly feel, I would never consider becoming an escort and willingly become a social outcast at the same time. While it may be true that many an escort is untrustworthy, it may be a fact that so many clients treat escorts like anything BUT a friend that it becomes easy for these "bad" escorts be so untrustworthy. That is an unsubstantiated theory and not a judgement. I know that mixed in with the negativity and naysaying were some comments standing in support of these boys and their lives. Those posters know who they are and need not be upset or vocal.

So gentlemen, damn me if you will (and those who damn the loudest are probably not the ones my original post was intended for, they have my apologies), but know that you damn yourselves as you do, or at least the things you have said.

Also please try to remember that (IMHO) the one irrefutable statement made in this whole thread, this whole site for that matter, perhaps even in the history of the world, is: "Treat your escort the way you would like to be treated." The poster named Justice wrote that, but he merely echoes a sentiment that is at least two thousand years old, and does not just apply to escorts but to every sentient being on earth.

I'm sure none of this will win me any friends around here, but maybe that in itself will help many an escort out there feel less alone.

 

ps - Isaac Bickerstaff was ordained an Anglican priest in 1695. He was editor of the English Tory journal "The Examiner" until 1711, when he left to take the position of Dean of St. Patricks Cathedral in Dublin Ireland. In 1729, in reaction to Whig ascension to power in England and the ensuing oppression that that meant for the Irish people, he wrote the essay "A Modest Proposal" (in addition to many other essays and pamphlets) under the pseudonym Jonathan Swift, a name he had previously used to pen the classic Gulliver's Travels (1726), a work he claimed was designed "to vex the world rather than divert it."

Mr. Bickerstaff and his works could not have been further from my mind as I wrote my original post, but I'm honoured by the comparisons.

[Guest cp8036]

You helped him move as well???

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Konga,

 

Thanks for the thoughful and thought provoking piece wrenched from our own mouths (or keyboards if you will). Nothing is so revealing as a mirror held close... though none of us wish to see our reflection in the composite you provide. Nevertheless, it it good that sometimes we are made to look.

 

“I'm sure none of this will win me any friends around here, but maybe that in itself will help many an escort out there feel less alone.”

 

I know of at least one exception to your speculation, I’m confident there are many others.

 

TY

[Guest JustANametoPlay]

Bottom line, the escort/client relationship is a buisness transaction. The escort is being paid to provide a service, whether the client is looking for sex,companionship, a combination of the two, or something else. This does not mean a true friendship couldn't possibly devlop and I am sure there are many that have. The client and the escort are both human, and you never know who you might have something in common with.

 

Howevr I agree with one of the original replies, a friendship can't be pursued, if it happens it happens.

[bluenix]

Okay, I'll fess up. I'm the one who mentioned "A Modest Proposal." Seemed like a good idea at the time.

 

I feel confident nobody will care, but, for the record (not to mention all those impressionable young minds reading these boards), wasn't Isaac Bickerstaff Jonathan Swift's pseudonym rather than the other way around? (Yes, you're right; I'm too lazy to look it up.) :-)