Todays review of Tyler Caleb

[bigguyinpasadena]

Wellllll,IMO this is again a case of a (young)hooker trying to defend himself against a negative review and coming out of it looking bad.

If you are on a $500 date which includes dinner-don't bitch about "well it was 4 hours"(instead of three)that will label you as a clock watcher.

The fact that this is a gay boy hooker,and not trade,and he refuses to "do oral"on a client should have been the first red flag-his response that this was indicated in his reviews-nope sorry I looked for it,unless it was under your other stage name.I for one am not going to go chasing about the review site looking for the aliases of a hooker.That should have been another red flag.

So boys,if you want to defend your reputatin against a really bad review please do so.Just let someone with an objective point of view proof it first so that you do not come out looking worse than before.

[Doug69]

>The fact that this is a gay boy hooker,and not trade,and he

>refuses to "do oral"on a client should have been the first red

>flag-his response that this was indicated in his reviews-nope

>sorry I looked for it,unless it was under your other stage

>name.I for one am not going to go chasing about the review

>site looking for the aliases of a hooker.That should have been

>another red flag.

 

Hey BigGuy, this escort only had 2 reviews previously. Is it really asking too much for you to actually read those 2 reviews before publicly accusing the kid of lying about what's in them?

 

Here's what the first review - in the VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH - says:

 

"Experience: When I first called Tim at 1stClassCompanions, he told me most of his guys were already booked because of the convention that was in town; but that there was a new guy that was available. I really didn't think I wanted to book an appointment with him because he told me Angel was not capable of performing any oral; no kissing, no sucking. The fact that Tim was so up front with this was appreciated, and when he told me that Angel's true quality was that he could bottom with the best of them, then I decided to book Angel for an hour."

 

So what the escort said in his response was absolutely accurate - his review DOES make clear that he doesn't do oral. What you said - that the reviews don't contain this - is false.

 

Moreoever, the escort expressly asked the client if he saw his Hooboy reviews to make sure the client knew this and the client said he had. So he should have known that the escort doesn't do oral.

 

Beyond that, the escort said that he - quite sensibly - won't talk about specific sex acts on the phone, but that he did say "I won't do what Monica did to Bill." The client had multiple indications that the escort wouldn't do oral, and you owe the escort an apology for falsely stating that his reviews didn't contain this information when it clearly did.

 

Having said that, I do agree that the escort's response made him seem snooty and cuntish. The whole bit about not wanting to see clients for an hour because they just want to "get off" just reeks of that "I'm-not-a-prostitute" delusion that is so off-putting. Worse, the escort's rant about how it was only to the client's benefit, not the escort's, to go to "one of the most expensive restaurants in Atlanta," because the client got to "show off" that he was with the escort, makes clear that the escort views himself as some sort of majestic queen which should make anyone grateful to be in his presence.

 

Then again, many clients, based on this Board, seem to find those attitudes attractive, so my guess is that the Response may repel some people, but it will definitley attract others.

[SouthBeachBtm]

After reading the review of this escort, I agree with you on many points. First, I personally have a problem with an Escort who asks to be taken out to dinner at a nice restaurant and then expects to be paid 150 or more an hour for the time. That is horrible.

 

Unless you are doing a sexual marathon for 2 hours or more, $500 should be more than enough money for a 3 or 4 hour date. The reality is that any sex act with an escort is usually over in 20-45 Mins. The rest of the time is spent getting to know each other, cuddling etc. For the first hour, I can understand the very high hourly rate as it might include about 40 Mins. of sex, but expecting to be paid 150, 200, or in some escort's fees, 300 per hour just to talk with you??? What a rip off.

 

PhD's do not charge what you charge for their time. What is so amazing about you or any escort that warrants that much money for chatting and cuddling???

 

A fair way to handle this is charge your standard hourly rate for the first hour and a greatly reduced rate for any additional time unless the client indicates he wants to in fact do a sexual marathon for more than an hour. But to expect to be taken out to dinner and have a nice conversation and be paid rediculously high rates for your time is unprofessional in my eyes.

 

As far as the issue of oral is concerned with this Escort, it is hard for us outsiders to know the whole story there. We will not know if the Clinton/Monica conversation actually took place. If it did, I would have to support the escort's claim that the client was informed. However it is possible the escort did not mention it. The whole notion of not talking about particulars like that on the phone or via E-mail is a real problem. I think to protect the Escort and insure that the client get's what he wants, a safe way to handle it is to state very clearly what you WONT do. You can not be arrested for saying what you wont do to a client. The client can then assume everything else, within reason is fair game.

[bigguyinpasadena]

OK,reread the review,I was looking for a review of a hooker named Tyler,not Angel and thus passed over that too quickly.

So I apologize for that,but stand by my other points.

Some of us CAN apologize when we are mistaken.

[marc anthony]

Very interesting discussion.

 

Here are my own random thoughts.

 

1) If you are going to hire twinks, expect to have some who don't understand how to act in every situation. Of course, everyone will have his own threshhold as to what he can tolerate, but if you can't tolerate ANY deviation from Miss Manners, then better start finding an attraction to people over 20.

 

2) I don't know reviewer or escort... so have no preconceived notions. But one thing that I did notice in doing the research is that the reviewer has either a very low threshhold for tolerance, or that he has extraordinary bad luck. He has done 5 reviews.. all twinks. 3 of the 5 are bad reviews. 1 is a glowing review. And 1 that he lists... I am confused as to whether it is him or not, as he specifically says I am atlantaguy2, not to be confused with the original atlanta guy.

 

I am not suggesting we discount these reviews (on the contrary, I really appreciate the information this reviewer has been providing for guys that I might be interested in someday)... just read with the perspective that this client may either be hard to please or may have difficulty sometimes getting the right chemistry with the age group that he is attracted to.

 

3) Written expression is not a strong suit of many of the escorts who provide responses. If the escort provides a cogent rebuttal, wow... that is impressive. But what I look for in the response from the escort is sincerity. I can deal with a lot of twink idiosyncracies, but I can't deal with dishonesty. In this case, the escort comes across to me as someone who is a bit materialistic, self-absorbed, and young... but sincere and honest. The response actually gave me the opposite information that it seems to have given most... it gave me the impression that I could handle him if I hired him.

 

4) Once again... the beauty of this whole process is that we are all provided with a big picture of information that we can make our own choices on. What we have here is a pretty cute boy who is a good bottom but won't do oral, doesn't kiss, expects to be treated like a date and taken to dinner, and seems very honest and upfront but has a bit of a superficial and prima donna attitude. Actually for me, the only thing that would be a deal breaker is the lack of kissing, but if very horny, and lacking anyone else if I were in Atlanta, I would consider it. Others may consider him fine, and others not. You now have the info to make the decision.

[Doug69]

>. . . but if you can't tolerate ANY deviation from Miss

>Manners, then better start finding an attraction to people

>over 20.

 

Isn't this good, healthy advice for anyone over the age of 30 - regardless of their views on compliance with Miss Manners?

[1sf]

I agree with this exceptionally cogent analysis; but I wouldn't hire him. He may be honest, but he really seems dour.

[marc anthony]

>

>Isn't this good, healthy advice for anyone over the age

>of 30 - regardless of their views on compliance with Miss

>Manners?

 

LOL! Touche'.

 

When I reach 30 I will let you know how I feel about that!

 

:+ :+

[SouthBeachBtm]

Darn, and I was hoping you were J-Lo's new Hubby. LOL!!!!

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Gentlemen, the above is a revealing glimpse as to why Marc Anthony is so successful with twinks, True... money is an essential ingredient to the recipe much as lubricant to an engine. But just as lubricant won't drive the engine power, money alone is not enough to guarantee success as often as Mr. Anthony succeeds. He is smart and perceptive about selecting his guys and knows what to expect and how to deal with them. And most importantly, he knows how to communicate with them -- when things go well and when they go less well. As an example, twink hunters coudn't find a better one to emulate.

 

[Guest Tristan]

>Gentlemen, the above is a revealing glimpse as to why Marc

>Anthony is so successful with twinks,

 

>He is smart and perceptive about selecting

>his guys and knows what to expect and how to deal with them.

 

 

If you think spanking twinks (mentioned by Mr. Anthony in another thread) is the way to deal with them, then I guess you're right.

[HooBoy]

I do not know Tyler, never spoken to him and as far as my "someheimers" will allow, we have never communicated in any fashion.

 

That said, Tyler is a young guy. He does not have the writing chops that many of you are gifted with, so he did not do a smooth spin, which ironically would have been pooh-pooh'd by the misguided trolls from the other side of the aisle.

 

At least Tyler is upfront about what he will or will not do. Were that everyone was that way.

 

And so many times the attitude you perceive is only mirrored from the attitude you exude.

[atlantaguy]

Not to get boring, but as this is personal I would like to point out a few issues:

 

1) I have hired dozens of twinks over the past few years, and never for less than 2 hrs (and often overnight). I prefer the cuddling and conversation to the sex when push comes to shove. I review only the great ones who want publicity and more customers, and the lousy ones I feel that others should be aware of. The vast majority are kept between us, since they don't need more clients. That's why my reviews are more negative than positive.

 

2) I had no idea that Tyler was Angel until he arrived and told me so. The conversation in his message was certainly not with me.

 

3) I have no interest in "trophy" wives; I am local and prefer not to be seen in public with escorts. It could be quite embarassing.

 

4) I have several teenagers of my own; and certainly have no expectations of adult behavior in twink escorts. However, there are certain things (like showing up and demanding more money than agreed on in advance) that need to be mentioned to help prevent further such behavior with other clients.

 

I promise to keep quiet in the future. Caveat emptor.:-)

[marc anthony]

Hey atlanta guy:

 

Not boring at all. As I have always said, the more information out there, the better. Thanks for adding some clarification and background to your experiences.

 

Welcome to the board.

[+ glutes]

And todays review 21JUN2004, Hmmmmmm.

In the negative review posted last, and Tylers response, he says he only does a minimum of '2 hour calls'. However the latest review says he does a 1 hour for $180.

I agree with BGiP, there is another red flag. Go with the known reviewer folks.

[woodlawn]

>Gentlemen, the above is a revealing glimpse as to why Marc

>Anthony is so successful with twinks,

 

If he is willing, as he says he is, to put up with what he calls a "superficial and prima donna attitude," then his formula for being "successful" with twinks seems to consist of no more than paying whatever they ask and putting up with whatever they do. That's certainly one formula for getting along with people of all kinds. Just take all the shit they offer and you won't have a problem with them. Except that you'll be taking a lot of shit.

 

> He is smart and perceptive about selecting

>his guys and knows what to expect and how to deal with them.

>And most importantly, he knows how to communicate with them --

 

According to the reviewer in this case, he never had a conversation in which he was informed about the oral issue and he never said or did some of the things the escort claims. When one of the parties to a dispute claims that conversations took place that the other says never happened, the problem is clearly bigger than simply "knowing how to communicate" with twinks.

 

For the record, I don't know the escort in this case. Of course, Hooboy doesn't know him either, but that fact didn't stop him from implying that whatever went wrong was entirely the fault of the client, as usual.

[HooBoy]

Wodlawn sez "For the record, I don't know the escort in this case. Of course, Hooboy doesn't know him either, but that fact didn't stop him from implying that whatever went wrong was entirely the fault of the client, as usual."

 

You are correct sir. I do not know him. But lest anyone believe everything you write here, please allow me to clarify, I did not imply anything.

 

As far as the escort, since it was his first response, the AS USUAL tag is a distortion.

 

And I have met Marc Anthony on several occasions. He is a lot of fun to be with and I am far from being a twink.

 

Maybe Marc never fell into a pit of despair. I wish everyone were as happy, content, honest and fair as he.

[woodlawn]

>Wodlawn sez "For the record, I don't know the escort in this

>case. Of course, Hooboy doesn't know him either, but that fact

>didn't stop him from implying that whatever went wrong was

>entirely the fault of the client, as usual."

 

>You are correct sir. I do not know him. But lest anyone

>believe everything you write here, please allow me to clarify,

 

Lest anyone believe everything you write here, let me remind the board that it was not so long ago that you stated you do not read my posts. It's amazing how many replies I get from people who claim that very same thing.

 

>I did not imply anything.

 

So your comment that "the attitude you perceive mirrors" etc. was meant to convey what, exactly? Did your computer type that all by itself?

 

>As far as the escort, since it was his first response, the AS

>USUAL tag is a distortion.

 

It isn't a distortion to state that in disputes between escorts and clients you usually try to find excuses or explanations for the escort's behavior.

 

>Maybe Marc never fell into a pit of despair. I wish everyone

>were as happy, content, honest and fair as he.

 

I wish you were content to refrain from following the silly fashion here of trying to psychoanalyze people you've never met and of whom you know nothing. Unfortunately it seems you can't resist it.

[firecat]

I wanted to stay out of this one but I do have a different perspective to put on it. So here goes.

 

I exchanged numerous emails and phone calls with the escort in question, trying to set up a weekend trip.

 

Since I did read all the reviews carefully as well as one that seems to have dissapeared, I had many concerns .

 

The review that dissapeared made it clear that his previous restrictions on kissing and Oral had been eliminated.

 

I made it plain in my first email and all subsequent ones that kissing and oral were a priority with me.

 

The rsponses I got were guarded but in no case did the escort say that those things were any longer a problem.

 

We got very close to making a deal but other problems intervened and the trip never happened.

 

If in fact the escort will not kiss or provide Oral then he had ample opportunity to inform me of this before we exchanged many emails.

 

Since the trip did not take place I have no way of knowing whether he would have followed through or not.

 

But at this point I ,personally, am happy I did not hire him.

 

Others will have to come to their own conclusions?????

[HooBoy]

Woodlawn said, "Lest anyone believe everything you write here, let me remind the board that it was not so long ago that you stated you do not read my posts. It's amazing how many replies I get from people who claim that very same thing."

 

I also do not have a habit of seeing scary movies, or sail on Arks with woodpeckers, but sometimes I like to slip into an abyss.

 

Cheers!

[+ glutes]

>>But at this point I ,personally, am happy I did not hire him.

>

>Others will have to come to their own conclusions?????

 

I think you are wise FireCat, follow your gut.

[marc anthony]

>>Gentlemen, the above is a revealing glimpse as to why Marc

>>Anthony is so successful with twinks,

>

>If he is willing, as he says he is, to put up with what he

>calls a "superficial and prima donna attitude," then his

>formula for being "successful" with twinks seems to consist of

>no more than paying whatever they ask and putting up with

>whatever they do.

 

I learned this skill by having to deal with my lawyers. Except that at least with twinks it only $200/hour and most of the time it is only one hour! Not to mention they are way cuter.

 

:7

[marc anthony]

>

>But at this point I ,personally, am happy I did not hire him.

>

>Others will have to come to their own conclusions?????

 

 

Well I admit I used way more words than these two sentences... but basically this is what I was trying to say. Review all the evidence critically and objectively, and make a decision within your own comfort zone.

 

"Every slaughtered syllable is a good deed."

[Guest]

>

>It isn't a distortion to state that in disputes between

>escorts and clients you usually try to find excuses or

>explanations for the escort's behavior.

>

 

I definitely don't always agree with Woodlawn, but this particular statement couldn't be more accurate.

[joel304]

I'm a little late in responding. Take it from a 35 year old man that is attracted to (and currently in a relationship with a retired escort of 18 months, who is now 24)younger boys. You get a nice package, but the attitude often reflects the years. Take the whole picture and make your decision.