Quick Question.

[2hard2tame]

Tonight I saw a client who I had a 2 hour appointment with. While in the middle of some however great rimming, we were discussing top/bottom. I asked him if he had brought protection, and if not I did...

he then replied that "its ok if you dont...as long as your neg".

Granted, thanks to my paranoia and partially thanks to being in the Army and having access to frequent testing I am quite clean,but I freaked out when he said that. I mean, if you care about being clean you would NEVER offer someone to bb. Unless of course, the person doesnt care, because he knows he is infected anyways.

 

Well, as soon as I heard him offer to bb, I stopped the session and conferrred with him my discomfort with continuing. I then offered to only charge for the partial session.

 

 

My question is, did I freak out unneeded...and did i handle the situation properly...

Most importantly, because he rimmed me, and IF he was in fact Positive, is there ANY chance at all I could have been?

 

 

 

 

-sweating in baltimore-

[+ Hoover42]

You did the right thing!

 

Regardng the risk of HIV transmission, I don't think there is much cause for alarm here.

 

You probably have a better chance of getting struck by lightning while taking a bath than of becoming infected through that one encounter.

 

The CDC reports that there has been only one reported case of HIV transmission through Oral-Amal contact.

 

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/Facts/oralsex.pdf

 

...Hoover

[VaHawk]

>Tonight I saw a client who I had a 2 hour appointment with.

>While in the middle of some however great rimming, we were

>discussing top/bottom.

 

So how clearly does someone speak, when his tongue is buried deep inside the other one's asshole?

 

>Unless of course, the person doesnt care, because he knows he is

>infected anyways.

 

Well, what a JUMP to conclusions! People often say/do things in the heat of passion, and under the influence of drink, drugs and lust, so his doing so doesn't mean he was "infected anyways". So what if he was??? You SHOULD assume any partner, personal or business related is, and take the necessary precautions!

>

>Well, as soon as I heard him offer to bb, I stopped the

>session and conferrred with him my discomfort with continuing.

>I then offered to only charge for the partial session.

 

Nothing wrong there, as you have to be true to yourself and do only what you are comfortable with doing. It is admirable that you, knowing that it was only your own discomfort, that prevented the session continuing, did the honorable thing, and only charged for a partial session. That is assuming that the "partial fee" was agreeable to the client for the "partial encounter" that he was paying for!

 

>

>My question is, did I freak out unneeded...and did i handle

>the situation properly...

 

IMO, yeah you freaked, but as I said above, you have to do what you are comfortable doing, and imo, you handled it "properly", contingent on what your client has to say.

 

>Most importantly, because he rimmed me, and IF he was in fact

>Positive, is there ANY chance at all I could have been?

 

ANY chance that you "could have been", WHAT?, as you didn't complete the thought. Did you mean, could you have been "infected"??? Yeah, about the same odds as someone winning the 500 million dollar PowerBall lottery!

 

Question to you: Why haven't you read up on all the available literature both off and on line about HIV and AIDS, and have educated yourself on the facts, before you decided to engage in sex with total strangers as an escort?

>

>-sweating in baltimore-

 

Good to sweat!, as it cleanses the pores of pollutants. Perhaps, given your reaction/concerns, the escort lifestyle, just isn't for you??? x(

[2hard2tame]

>>Tonight I saw a client who I had a 2 hour appointment with.

>>While in the middle of some however great rimming, we were

>>discussing top/bottom.

>

>So how clearly does someone speak, when his tongue is buried

>deep inside the other one's asshole?

>

>>Unless of course, the person doesnt care, because he knows he

>is

>>infected anyways.

>

>Well, what a JUMP to conclusions! People often say/do things

>in the heat of passion, and under the influence of drink,

>drugs and lust, so his doing so doesn't mean he was "infected

>anyways". So what if he was??? You SHOULD assume any

>partner, personal or business related is, and take the

>necessary precautions!

>>

>>Well, as soon as I heard him offer to bb, I stopped the

>>session and conferrred with him my discomfort with

>continuing.

>>I then offered to only charge for the partial session.

>

>Nothing wrong there, as you have to be true to yourself and do

>only what you are comfortable with doing. It is admirable

>that you, knowing that it was only your own discomfort, that

>prevented the session continuing, did the honorable thing, and

>only charged for a partial session. That is assuming that the

>"partial fee" was agreeable to the client for the "partial

>encounter" that he was paying for!

>

>>

>>My question is, did I freak out unneeded...and did i handle

>>the situation properly...

>

>IMO, yeah you freaked, but as I said above, you have to do

>what you are comfortable doing, and imo, you handled it

>"properly", contingent on what your client has to say.

>

>>Most importantly, because he rimmed me, and IF he was in

>fact

>>Positive, is there ANY chance at all I could have been?

>

>ANY chance that you "could have been", WHAT?, as you didn't

>complete the thought. Did you mean, could you have been

>"infected"??? Yeah, about the same odds as someone winning the

>500 million dollar PowerBall lottery!

>

>Question to you: Why haven't you read up on all the available

>literature both off and on line about HIV and AIDS, and have

>educated yourself on the facts, before you decided to engage

>in sex with total strangers as an escort?

>>

>>-sweating in baltimore-

>

>Good to sweat!, as it cleanses the pores of pollutants.

>Perhaps, given your reaction/concerns, the escort lifestyle,

>just isn't for you??? x(

 

 

 

ok.

 

I did ask him first about the compensation. We both agreed that since we spend an hour, that it would be best if we kept my advertised rate.

I would never take something that I did not earn. That is just bad buisness and not to mention bad karma.

 

I have read ALOT on these topics,but most of the opinions i have read are in fact written by non-gay authors who i dont trust. Thus is why I brought this here. I hope that you gentlemen take that as a compliment.

 

 

If I felt in anyway that this isnt something I should do, i wouldnt do it. I have several real and good reasons why i do this. Not to mention I happen to be quite adept at this, and enjoy it.

 

 

Maybe I shouldnt have mentioned it here, but I would rather err on the safe side and be happy then not be careful. Not only is it for my health, but for my clients also. I take safety very serious.

 

 

 

I hope that any future clients of mine will at least know i take my sexual health very seriously and their also.

 

lastly, the other reason why I cut it short, is because I wouldnt not have been into it, and it would be quite wrong of me to expect compensation for my time, when in fact I wouldnt have performed at my best. That would not be fair for both of us.

[VaHawk]

>I have read ALOT on these topics,but most of the opinions i

>have read are in fact written by non-gay authors who i dont

>trust. Thus is why I brought this here. I hope that you

>gentlemen take that as a compliment.

 

Yeah, I KNOW that I would wager my life on the opinions of non-medical professionals, just because they hire male ecorts, over the learned opinions of non-gay medical professionals, with years of experience in the study of HIV and the treatment of HIV/AIDS patients! DAMN STRAIGHT, I would!

>

>I hope that any future clients of mine will at least know i

>take my sexual health very seriously and their also.

 

I hope so too, but how could anyone take your concerns seriously, when you would rather base your health, not to mention your very life, on the uninformed feedback from guys on an internet message board, over those of excellent medical professionals, just because the medical professionals are "straight"???? x(

[Laurent]

I think your response was both restrained and considerate. Some men. escorts and clients, would have slugged the jerk. This posting just got you added to my "to hire" list.

[+ deej]

Regarding your risk, you were no more at risk (from what you described) than any other sexual encounter. There is ALWAYS risk. Rimming is fairly low risk, all things being equal.

 

You handled the client management issue with quite a bit of class and dignity.

 

Please ignore VAHawk. He often has some grain of a thought in his posts but it always gets lost in his habit of behaving like a complete fucktard. He's capable of making valuable contributions to discussions like this one, but he's apparently unwilling or unable.

 

You did well to call it off short and cut your (and the client's) losses, and you did so with a wisdom beyond your years. Well done!

[2hard2tame]

>I hope so too, but how could anyone take your concerns

>seriously, when you would rather base your health, not to

>mention your very life, on the uninformed feedback from guys

>on an internet message board, over those of excellent medical

>professionals, just because the medical professionals are

>"straight"???? x(

 

 

wow leave it to someone on here to find fault with something I say NO matter what.

 

Look my friend...I was only pointing out my opinion. Just because some one isnt a doctor doesnt mean they dont know what they are talking about. I mean, just because someone is a PHD, doesnt make them a expert on something. And quite frankly, i would much rather trust someone who has not only been around, but also gay like me.

 

In other words, if I had a choice of taking along someone with me into battle( I am in the Infantry,Army)....

And the choices were the following...

1. A guy who has never been shot at, but knows everything there is to know about gun, velocity, bullet drop, windage and ect.

2. A guy who has spend years in battle fighting for his life, but couldnt tell you the barrel velocity of a m4.

 

 

I would take #2.

 

get it:) *smirk*

 

if having a PHD made you all knowing, then why do so many of them disagree on everything.

[2hard2tame]

>Regarding your risk, you were no more at risk (from what you

>described) than any other sexual encounter. There is ALWAYS

>risk. Rimming is fairly low risk, all things being equal.

>

>You handled the client management issue with quite a bit of

>class and dignity.

>

>Please ignore VAHawk. He often has some grain of a thought in

>his posts but it always gets lost in his habit of behaving

>like a complete fucktard. He's capable of making valuable

>contributions to discussions like this one, but he's

>apparently unwilling or unable.

>

>You did well to call it off short and cut your (and the

>client's) losses, and you did so with a wisdom beyond your

>years. Well done!

 

 

 

*turns red*

 

thank you sir

[+ ArVaGuy]

You did the right thing and it’s admirable that you posted here on this MC asking for guidance. Yes.... you freaked. Was that an over reaction? Not in my opinion given your experience level at this time. Unfortunately there are many men out there who are willing to take such risks and don’t much care who they expose in the process. One thing you will need to realize is that this will not be the last time you encounter this situation with a client.

 

Some guys will be up front and ask you while setting up the session if you will bareback. I know of one escort who has had potential clients offer him several times his hourly rate to bareback. In one instance a client offered a significant amount of money for this young man to fuck him without a condom. The escort made it clear that he never takes such risks and the guy continued to pursue the issue. The escort was forced to tell the guy off to make him go away.

 

But to be fair it’s not just clients that are willing to play fast and loose when it comes to unprotected sex. There are escorts who are willing to bareback and don’t mind exposing themselves and others to the risk of HIV infection. There are a few guys who appear in bareback films and also escort. More than one is reviewed on this and other websites.

 

Its unfortunate but you will need to continually be on your guard about this issue for as long as you intend to earn money for sex. You need to be prepared to deal with this in a calm, firm, professional, and dignified manner. In other words don’t freak out. The next time (and there will be a next time) in the middle of a session there will be another client who will make the same request, you will need to calmly inform the guy that you don’t take such risks. How the guy reacts will determine how you move forward from there.

 

No doubt every escort who posts on this site has been in a similar circumstance. I will be interested to read what they have to say about the issue. If your fellow escorts don’t feel comfortable commenting in an open forum I hope that they will contact you privately to offer advice on the matter.

[+ deej]

>Its unfortunate but you will need to continually be on your guard

>about this issue for as long as you intend to earn money for sex.

 

I know you didn't mean to limit this intentionally, but it has nothing to do with earning money for sex. It's JUST as much an issue with a guy you pick up in a bar, on the street, cruising the subway, in a bathhouse, or at Baskin-Robbins.

 

Make informed decisions, KNOW where you stand, and STAY where you stand, no matter what. Hold what you've got.

[2hard2tame]

>>Its unfortunate but you will need to continually be on your

>guard

>>about this issue for as long as you intend to earn money for

>sex.

>

>I know you didn't mean to limit this intentionally, but it has

>nothing to do with earning money for sex. It's JUST as much an

>issue with a guy you pick up in a bar, on the street, cruising

>the subway, in a bathhouse, or at Baskin-Robbins.

>

>Make informed decisions, KNOW where you stand, and STAY where

>you stand, no matter what. Hold what you've got.

 

 

 

*strains to keep serious face*

 

I just had a vision. It included ice cream, some metallic objects and baskin-Robbins.

[+ deej]

>thank you sir

 

That's SIR! to you!

 

(And if you believe that, I want to talk to you about some swampland in Arizona. ;-))

[VaHawk]

"Please ignore VAHawk. He often has some grain of a thought in his posts but it always gets lost in his habit of behaving like a complete fucktard. He's capable of making valuable contributions to discussions like this one, but he's apparently unwilling or unable."

 

Yeah, I go to professionals in the medical field, gay and non-gay for medical advice, and that makes me a "fucktard"??? What does that make you and the op??? "Shittards", maybe, as in "shit on wtf is logical"????

 

My contribution, is WORLD's above your sycophantic suck-up ravings to a "newbie" escort, who you support only because you want to get into his support strap! :7

[+ deej]

>I just had a vision. It included ice cream, some metallic

>objects and baskin-Robbins.

 

I think that's actually the theme of a porn video from a couple of years ago. LOL "Cirque Two-Scoops!"

[+ ArVaGuy]

>>Its unfortunate but you will need to continually be on your

>guard

>>about this issue for as long as you intend to earn money for

>sex.

>

>I know you didn't mean to limit this intentionally, but it has

>nothing to do with earning money for sex. It's JUST as much an

>issue with a guy you pick up in a bar, on the street, cruising

>the subway, in a bathhouse, or at Baskin-Robbins.

 

I was not intentionally limiting the issue but trying to keep it in the context of the matter at hand.

 

And where is that cruisy Baskin-Robbins?

 

 

ArlingtonVaGuy

[2hard2tame]

>"Please ignore VAHawk. He often has some grain of a thought

>in his posts but it always gets lost in his habit of behaving

>like a complete fucktard. He's capable of making valuable

>contributions to discussions like this one, but he's

>apparently unwilling or unable."

>

>Yeah, I go to professionals in the medical field, gay and

>non-gay for medical advice, and that makes me a "fucktard"???

>What does that make you and the op??? "Shittards", maybe, as

>in "shit on wtf is logical"????

>

>My contribution, is WORLD's above your sycophantic suck-up

>ravings to a "newbie" escort, who you support only because you

>want to get into his support strap! :7

 

 

Look man...Im sure you are a nice guy, but I would suggest trying a bit harder.

From what I have been reading on other sites, its borderline mean comments and ECT like that is why this site only has the same 10-15 people posting....

 

And from what I hear, this site used to be HUGE...wonder what drove everyone away.

 

 

Lighten up my friend, the cup is half FULL.

[2hard2tame]

>>>Its unfortunate but you will need to continually be on

>your

>>guard

>>>about this issue for as long as you intend to earn money

>for

>>sex.

>>

>>I know you didn't mean to limit this intentionally, but it

>has

>>nothing to do with earning money for sex. It's JUST as much

>an

>>issue with a guy you pick up in a bar, on the street,

>cruising

>>the subway, in a bathhouse, or at Baskin-Robbins.

>

>I was not intentionally limiting the issue but trying to keep

>it in the context of the matter at hand.

>

>And where is that cruisy Baskin-Robbins?

>

>

>ArlingtonVaGuy

 

 

 

 

LOL!

[VaHawk]

>wow leave it to someone on here to find fault with something I

>say NO matter what.

 

Yeah, every one who doesn't agree with EVERY thing you say is "finding fault"??? PARANOID, just a little???

>

>Look my friend...I was only pointing out my opinion. Just

>because some one isnt a doctor doesnt mean they dont know

>what they are talking about. I mean, just because someone is

>a PHD, doesnt make them a expert on something. And quite

>frankly, i would much rather trust someone who has not only

>been around, but also gay like me.

 

Yeah, whatever! But then again, only YOU can express an opinion, right??? Live your life by whatever policy you want, that's your right, but it's my right to opine on a subject that you broadcast on a message board that is dedicated to hiring escorts, a profession which you are currently and actively engaged in.

>

>In other words, if I had a choice of taking along someone with

>me into battle( I am in the Infantry,Army)....

 

Sure, and I'm manning the gates of Heaven, while St. Peter is on coffee breaks.

 

>And the choices were the following...

>1. A guy who has never been shot at, but knows everything

>there is to know about gun, velocity, bullet drop, windage and

>ect.

>2. A guy who has spend years in battle fighting for his life,

>but couldnt tell you the barrel velocity of a m4.

 

WTF! This has got to be the stupidest analogy to the point under discussion, than anything could possibly be! So, you're sick with HIV infection, do you choose: 1. A gay guy who has no medical training/knowledge at all, but knows all about/living the gay life or 2. A straight man/woman, who has spent years in medical school to become a doctor, has spent years studying HIV and AIDS and is a world renowned expert in the successful treatment of gay men infected with HIV/AIDS.

 

>I would take #2.

 

Agreed, I'd take my #2 also.

>

>get it:) *smirk*

 

You get it:) *smirk*

>

>if having a PHD made you all knowing, then why do so many of

>them disagree on everything.

 

Well, ABSOLUTELY no one needs a PHD, or for that matter, even a GED, to be smart enough to know to not HIRE you!!! :-(

[2hard2tame]

VAHAWK.

 

 

well, in that you have reinforced several things.

 

1. You called me a liar.

2. You must be VERY lonely.

3. No wonder so many have left here.

 

 

but, I am used to people like you. So its all good. yes, I am quite sure I could involve myself with a good flamewar and make you cry, but then again, that would accomplish nothing. So I will choose to ignore your taunts and baiting, and be the bigger man. The more mature man.

 

I would apologize for even coming on here, but the only asshole thus far is you, and thank god is NOT the majority.

 

Thank you, have a wonderful day.

[VaHawk]

>VAHAWK.

>

>

>well, in that you have reinforced several things.

>

>1. You called me a liar.

>2. You must be VERY lonely.

>3. No wonder so many have left here.

 

More bullshit than on all the plains of Texas, Wyoming and Colorado combined!

 

WTF, where did I call you a liar??? Disagreeing with your opinions, is not calling you a liar.

 

No, I'm not VERY lonely, as a matter of fact, not even a TINY bit lonely.

 

Are you implying that it's my fault that "so many have left here"??? If so, UNBELIEVABLE! But, if you want to slink away and blame the HAWK for doing so, then SO BE IT!

>

 

>but, I am used to people like you. So its all good. yes, I am

>quite sure I could involve myself with a good flamewar and

>make you cry, but then again, that would accomplish nothing.

>So I will choose to ignore your taunts and baiting, and be the

>bigger man. The more mature man.

 

People like me??? WTF does that mean?? People who don't agree with your opinions???

 

WTF??? I'm not flaming you! And no, if you did want to flame, NOTHING you could say would make ME cry! Seems like you're the one crying, dude! Ignoring taunts and baiting??? Expressing an opinion that is different than yours is not "taunting and baiting", and your comments that imply otherwise, show that you have a LOOOONGGG way to go before you can call yourself a "mature man".

>

>I would apologize for even coming on here, but the only

>asshole thus far is you, and thank god is NOT the majority.

 

See, calling me an "asshole" is a violation of the tos, as personal attacks are not allowed, and I launched none against you.

>

>Thank you, have a wonderful day.

 

You too!

>

>

[+ deej]

>this site only has the same 10-15 people posting....

 

Interesting statistic. Where did you get it?

[+ deej]

>And where is that cruisy Baskin-Robbins?

 

Ballston mall was always almost a guaranteed score. But that was 15 years ago. :+

[Guest zipperzone]

>The CDC reports that there has been only one reported case of

>HIV transmission through Oral-Amal contact.

 

I always doubt stats such as these. How in hell can anyone gather realistic stats as to how HIV was contacted?

[Guest zipperzone]

>Regarding your risk, you were no more at risk (from what you

>described) than any other sexual encounter. There is ALWAYS

>risk. Rimming is fairly low risk, all things being equal.

 

I would have thought that if you were being rimmed, the risk would be zero as the virus can't be transmitted in saliva.

 

But if you were doing the rimming, the risk could be conciderable as fecal matter, which does transmit, might be injested.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.