Max Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Let's just saying Im doing OK after the 2nd crash, from $450 down the $350. Enough to buy fuel for the Private Jet! So you exercised your options? Or still holding? Inquiring minds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Posting w/o comment: A former Boeing official who played a key role in the development of the 737 MAX has refused to provide documents sought by federal prosecutors investigating two fatal crashes of the jetliner, citing his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, according to a person familiar with the matter. Mark Forkner, Boeing’s chief technical pilot on the MAX project, invoked the privilege in response to a grand jury subpoena issued by U.S. Justice Department prosecutors looking into the design and certification of the plane, the person said. Invoking the Fifth to avoid testifying, while a legal right, is sometimes interpreted as an admission of guilt. Its use to resist a subpoena for documents is less common and may only imply a dance between prosecutors and defense attorneys, legal experts say. Forkner, now a first officer for Southwest Airlines, referred questions to his attorney when reached by phone. His attorney, David Gerger, of Houston, did not respond to inquiries. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/former-boeing-official-subpoenaed-in-737-max-probe-wont-turn-over-documents-citing-fifth-amendment-protection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 So you exercised your options? Or still holding? Inquiring minds... I keep my cards close to the vest Maxi... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 After reading this BusinessInsider piece, the 737Max will never fly again. If it does, it will be in the US only, and because of lobbies and corruption and MAGA. The European Union Aviation Safety Agency will not approve Max simply because it is a flawed design. Relying on a software to fix this issue was dumb to begin with... https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-737-max-flight-system-faa-oversight-2019-7 CEO Muilenburg expressed that the biggest concern for Boeing is “regulator alignment”. The 737 MAX could return to service on a country-by-country basis, is “a possibility” he said at a conference Wednesday. Oh boy Maxi... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike carey Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 CEO Muilenburg expressed that the biggest concern for Boeing is “regulator alignment”. The 737 MAX could return to service on a country-by-country basis, is “a possibility” he said at a conference Wednesday. That's a possibility, and it could return in the US and under a possible new UK civil aviation authority. Less likely in the EU and they would apply their rules to any airline flying into the EU not just EU flag airlines. I'm not confident Australian or Canadian regulators would clear it (and from having watched US carriers track over Canada on US internal flights that could be a problem if Canada banned it from their airspace). Other than that, AU and CA would not affect the big picture. China is another big market, and regardless of the merits Trump could scupper any chance of regulatory approval there. That's not necessarily bad for Boeing, they have other aircraft that they can keep making, and they will sell albeit not into the same market segments. As a case study, Qantas has gone heavy on Boeing for long haul (cancelled A380s and retained B787 orders) but short haul single aisle it's gone in big on A320 variants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 I'm still not clear as to why the 737MAX isn't back in the air yet. Isn't this just a matter of fixing the software and providing the pilots with some additional training? Or am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ azdr0710 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 I'm still not clear as to why the 737MAX isn't back in the air yet. Isn't this just a matter of fixing the software and providing the pilots with some additional training? Or am I missing something? There is also some concern that a mid-development decision to change the engine size affected the integrity of the entire plane. + glutes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 An aircraft design should allow hands-off horizontal flight, i.e., center of gravity should align with the center of lift. This is violated for the 737Max because the new engines would not fit properly under the wing due to the relatively short landing gear (designed for the smaller engines) so the engines were moved forward enough to require constant deployment of control surfaces. This is a inherent design flaw, for which there is no fix. You are incorrect. All airplanes should fly without pilot input in level, unaccelerated flight when trim settings are appropriate. And the 737 (all versions) will do that. If you define the use of trim as "deployment of control surfaces" then essentially all aircraft have that same requirement. The MCAS has nothing to do with straight, level, unaccelerated flight. I'm still not clear as to why the 737MAX isn't back in the air yet. Isn't this just a matter of fixing the software and providing the pilots with some additional training? Or am I missing something? And lots of paperwork. And while they were re-working the MCAS, they identified other issues to address. Once the software is done, they have to decide how much and what type of training pilots will need. Then they have to document all that, get it reviewed by the FAA and others. Wouldn't surprise me if it's early 2020. There is also some concern that a mid-development decision to change the engine size affected the integrity of the entire plane. I have seen no such discussion in professional aviation publications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBiDude Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 I'm still not clear as to why the 737MAX isn't back in the air yet. Isn't this just a matter of fixing the software and providing the pilots with some additional training? Or am I missing something? You’ve asked this already a few pages back.... https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/will-it-ever-fly.68953/post-1762158 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 You’ve asked this already a few pages back.... http://m.quickmeme.com/img/4e/4eb1be93b6ae4331742b98ec76447dff96a0b119d93faf7b93a281bbfc64c4e5.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Well, in your defense, it was almost six weeks ago after all...and many thought the planes would be back in the air by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Well, in your defense, it was almost six weeks ago after all...and many thought the planes would be back in the air by now. Thanks! I do remember having the thought. I hadn't remembered posting it, and I didn't want to go through 20 pages... All I remember was that I still wasn't clear on the reasoning, but your response did clarify things for me. I think everything takes longer with the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ azdr0710 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 (edited) I have seen no such discussion in professional aviation publications. thanks for the reply......there has been much made of the engine modification and related mounting concern in this thread and in the news......do you have any observations at all about this other than to say you've seen nothing about it (in "professional aviation publications")?........appreciate your comments Edited September 15, 2019 by azdr0710 + glutes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 LATimes, not a professional aviation publication, but this will give Max a start: Must Reads: How a 50-year-old design came back to haunt Boeing with its troubled 737 Max jet. By RALPH VARTABEDIANSTAFF WRITER MARCH 15, 2019 6 AM A set of stairs may have never caused so much trouble in an aircraft. First introduced in West Germany as a short-hop commuter jet in the early Cold War, the Boeing 737-100 had folding metal stairs attached to the fuselage that passengers climbed to board before airports had jetways. Ground crews hand-lifted heavy luggage into the cargo holds in those days, long before motorized belt loaders were widely available. That low-to-the-ground design was a plus in 1968, but it has proved to be a constraint that engineers modernizing the 737 have had to work around ever since. The compromises required to push forward a more fuel-efficient version of the plane — with larger engines and altered aerodynamics — led to the complex flight control software system that is now under investigation in two fatal crashes over the last five months. https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-fi-boeing-max-design-20190315-story.html + azdr0710 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ azdr0710 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 (edited) ahhh, back when things were less complicated.......the 1968 737-100..... and Lufthansa's last 737 flight...... Edited September 15, 2019 by azdr0710 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 ahhh, back when things were less complicated.......the 1968 737-100..... and Lufthansa's last 737 flight...... tschüss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ azdr0710 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 LATimes, not a professional aviation publication, but this will give Max a start: Must Reads: How a 50-year-old design came back to haunt Boeing with its troubled 737 Max jet. By RALPH VARTABEDIANSTAFF WRITER MARCH 15, 2019 6 AM A set of stairs may have never caused so much trouble in an aircraft. First introduced in West Germany as a short-hop commuter jet in the early Cold War, the Boeing 737-100 had folding metal stairs attached to the fuselage that passengers climbed to board before airports had jetways. Ground crews hand-lifted heavy luggage into the cargo holds in those days, long before motorized belt loaders were widely available. That low-to-the-ground design was a plus in 1968, but it has proved to be a constraint that engineers modernizing the 737 have had to work around ever since. The compromises required to push forward a more fuel-efficient version of the plane — with larger engines and altered aerodynamics — led to the complex flight control software system that is now under investigation in two fatal crashes over the last five months. https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-fi-boeing-max-design-20190315-story.html Sure. LA Times. About as authoritative in aviation as is your "hold my cards close" investment advice. My planned 10 year hold investment is up about 2%. When do your put options expire @Oaktown? Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 More important question, when will your namesake be back in the air? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattr Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 My question is will people avoid the plane, and for how long after it returns to the air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 More important question, when will your namesake be back in the air? I keep my cards close to the vest Oakie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 My question is will people avoid the plane, and for how long after it returns to the air Judging by the return to flight of the Concorde, not likely to be a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ azdr0710 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Judging by the return to flight of the Concorde, not likely to be a factor. https://www.travelmarketreport.com/articles/Many-Consumers-Dont-Want-to-Fly-the-737-Max-When-it-Returns ha!....the Concorde's travails and the 737 Max's hardly compare...... by the way, still waiting for a reply about my engine mount question! MikeBiDude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 https://www.travelmarketreport.com/articles/Many-Consumers-Dont-Want-to-Fly-the-737-Max-When-it-Returns ha!....the Concorde's travails and the 737 Max's hardly compare...... by the way, still waiting for a reply about my engine mount question! How are they different? Both flawed design to be corrected and returned to flight. I'll go find the missed question too...didn't ignore intentionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 thanks for the reply......there has been much made of the engine modification and related mounting concern in this thread and in the news......do you have any observations at all about this other than to say you've seen nothing about it (in "professional aviation publications")?........appreciate your comments The larger engine nacelle required a more forward and upward mount below the wing. This lead to the development of MCAS. It's not a fundamental flaw that renders the aircraft unsafe. The flawed design of the MCAS (primarily that it relied on only one input source) is the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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