A Statement from Club 20...

[Club 20 NYC]

In the midst of what have been called 'strip club wars' on this forum, we would like to take this opportunity to let all dancers, club owners, and most importantly the patrons who make all these clubs possible, that we have no desire to partake in such conversations of this nature or to speak negatively about any establishment, club owner, or club manager, competitor or not. We simply choose not to respond to any such banter, as we feel it overshadows the more important issues, primarily entertaining the gay public and giving the dancers a means to make a well deserved living. We are of the opinion that the dancers are the heart and soul of all these clubs, not the management, ours included.

 

This being said, we also realize that each and every club has strong points and areas that need improvement. We are no exception. Although we were the first in NYC in the last 6 years to implement the format of lapdancing, private rooms, & stage performances, it does not absolve us from the need to keep up with the times and keep customer satisfaction our main objective. We are committed to making the necessary changes and improvements that are needed.

 

Finally, we do not have exclusively signed dancers at our club, nor do we desire such. We encourage and support all those dancers who work at Club 20 to work all the different clubs in NYC. We are aware that many of our performers are putting themselves through school, dancing as their primary means of income, or sometimes even supporting families with the money they make dancing. Therefore we do not feel comfortable limiting those who dance for us to our club only. Also, we encourage all our patrons to frequent the different clubs as well. Each offers a unique experience and provides entertainment that everyone needs. In a city this large, there is enough to go around

 

With all that out of the way, we encourage all forum members who have visited Club 20 to participate in a constructive discussion of the things you have enjoyed at our club, as well as those things you would like to see improved. We will do everything we can to take action. Let the discussion begin!!

[Guest New Kid In Town]

I find this this post funny because up till this point I have been party of this forum and enjoyed reading the posts but never felt the need to respond (honestly I felt it wasn't my place to speak). Given the recent developments going on perhaps it's time. I refuse to say my name because I too a dancer very well known in the past for being a "headliner" at 20 working my way through school and now life. That said I can't believe that so many people here are blind to what has transpired with the recent shake up at club 20. I was never a fan of house dad Joe honestly cause I did not know him but this man along with his working mates are why the club functioned into what we see today. I personally witnessed how the guys were treated by the manager "Ed" and completely understand why they left. Honestly I did the same. Sad to see them leave but they did have major issues that they could not deal with anymore. As a dancer you are looked at as just a

money source and piece of meat. While working there I was limped out by this manager and he was cutting deals to make money behind everyones back. Also many dancers partaking in drug use there was never allowed and most fired in the past that was until this person found a new way to overlook things by taking side money. I can go on forever but let me finish by saying the manager try's to buddy up to you while he breaking the rules putting this club and partons in harms way and possible club closure by the police. Their only goal is a weekday club that can't joldmore than 40 people that as a dancer will never work and now they want us to side with them so not to work at other venues. So their statement is total bull. Especially it's probably coming from Tim and not the real management. Management has never cared and why start now. Tim is trying to create a new home he can push his Adonis club thru I'm sure Ed who never liked tim will soon be his best friend. As to Leboys I was not interested in trying cause I have moved on a bit but the buzz from so many of my brothers is so positive about it being a place where you are not treated like meat but a human and their management including Joe is friendly warm and Accomodating to a dancers needs as well as the customers

 

Anyway just thought I would share my thoughts thanks

[Guest New Kid In Town]

One more thought The Adonis Club @ Club 20 will never work cause even if the manager is taking money on the side open sex on the couches and in champaign rooms will never work there (the police will be there in no time )so good luck tim your gonna have to figure out how to do your job legit Best wishes

 

JDM ( you know me )

[Kevin Slater]

I tried going to Club 20 once, years ago. I paid for admission and once inside was rudely informed that I had to check my rather light jacket, at a price equal to admission. (If coat check is mandatory, why isn't it included in the entry fee?) I decided this attitude didn't bode well for the evening, got my admission back, left and never tried again.

 

Kevin Slater

[+ dupontversDC]

are any of the nyc clubs fully nude?

[Buff Daddy]

Yes DupontversDC CABARET MONTREAL on Long Island. We are about 35 miles east of Manhattan. We are a juice bar no liquor is sold. New York State law does not permit nudity with liquor. If you plan on being in the NY area let me know. There is a thread here on the club

[twinkboylover28]

I tried going to Club 20 once, years ago. I paid for admission and once inside was rudely informed that I had to check my rather light jacket, at a price equal to admission. (If coat check is mandatory, why isn't it included in the entry fee?) I decided this attitude didn't bode well for the evening, got my admission back, left and never tried again.

 

Kevin Slater

 

 

 

HaHa. Just more "nickel-and-diming" by shady club managers who have no clue how to run a decent club for their customers. It reminds me of Club Gold Coast in Detroit. Mandatory coat checks after you paid for admission is bad enough at some clubs, but mandatory valet, mandatory drink minimums, mandatory cover when there are only 2 strippers. ..it all just makes it mandaory for me to never visit. Along with dancers who dont know how to count properly and try to rip you off. And when the dj sneaks in short 2 minute songs instead of the standatrd 3:30..ugh.

[edjames]

Kev, please come back. Coat check last night = $3. Early admission = $10 before 7PM. 2 for 1 drinks 5PM - 7PM. AND, I did see a few

folks with their jackes sitting in the main room. The management at the 20C has had several changes over the past few years, so give it another chance, or wait until late spring/summer and you can avoid coat check altogether (LOL).

 

ED

[BaronArtz]

As a patron, I can only say nice things about Club 20 and about 'Ed', one of the managers. Not sure whether this 'Ed' is the same person as 'edjames' posting here. Understanding that Club 20 has a profit motive, like any other retail operation in NY, I found that a courteous attitude and a few well-placed tips go a long way. I was frequently comped admission, drinks, and extra time in the champagne lounge. You simply cannot expect to go to a place like this and nickel-and-dime everything ... service has a price.

[EZEtoGRU]

As a patron, I can only say nice things about Club 20 and about 'Ed', one of the managers. Not sure whether this 'Ed' is the same person as 'edjames' posting here. Understanding that Club 20 has a profit motive, like any other retail operation in NY, I found that a courteous attitude and a few well-placed tips go a long way. I was frequently comped admission, drinks, and extra time in the champagne lounge. You simply cannot expect to go to a place like this and nickel-and-dime everything ... service has a price.

 

Baron,

I've never been to Club20, so I have no particular feelings about the place.....either positive or negative. However, I have to say you are absolutely right about your advice above. Some people want a champagne experience at a beer price. In general, things don't work that way. I also learned early on that well placed tipping (whether bell boys, waiters, bartenders, strippers, concierge, whatever) usually pays off in spades in terms of quality of service and extras. I can't tell you how many free drinks I have been comped due to good tipping of bartenders at many venues. Some people view my tipping habits as foolish and excessive. For me, it is good business. I get much more out of it than I put in.

 

Thanks for sharing your sage advice which is the same as mine.

[Kevin Slater]

Kev, please come back. Coat check last night = $3. Early admission = $10 before 7PM. 2 for 1 drinks 5PM - 7PM. AND, I did see a few

folks with their jackes sitting in the main room. The management at the 20C has had several changes over the past few years, so give it another chance, or wait until late spring/summer and you can avoid coat check altogether (LOL).

 

ED

 

Thanks for the warm invite and new info. I may just have to give it another shot.

 

Kevin Slater

[twinkboylover28]

Baron,

I've never been to Club20, so I have no particular feelings about the place.....either positive or negative. However, I have to say you are absolutely right about your advice above. Some people want a champagne experience at a beer price. In general, things don't work that way. I also learned early on that well placed tipping (whether bell boys, waiters, bartenders, strippers, concierge, whatever) usually pays off in spades in terms of quality of service and extras. I can't tell you how many free drinks I have been comped due to good tipping of bartenders at many venues. Some people view my tipping habits as foolish and excessive. For me, it is good business. I get much more out of it than I put in.

 

Thanks for sharing your sage advice which is the same as mine.

 

Over paying is sage advice? That's funny. I've never been to Club 20 either, so I have neither a negative or positive view, but I have to say you are absolutely wrong with your advice. It's like paying full price for a car because you think it will peform better. Most people don't appreciate being nickle-and-dimed, or paying full sticker price.... especially for things they know they can get for much less. Often, the best things in life are free. Most savy milionaires know this. Getting a good value. Be it real estate, purchasing a car, or grocery shopping. The only time I wouldnt want a value is shopping for a good doctor. Anyways, this topic has been discussed many times in the message center. Most people miss the golden years of Montreal from ten years ago. We obviously have profound differences when it comes to strip clubs, as I believe precisely the opposite of spending as much as you can and bringing a $500 minimum to a club, or the money-is-no-object mentality when it comes to premium strippers. But then again, if you have the money and like to waste it like that, then God bless America. If thats what makes YOU happy, it's your choice. Continue being a "good customer." Few people walk into a strip club with $500 cash minimum. No wonder they flock all over you for being a "good customer." It's kinda like when the sales rep at Neiman Marcus sees another sucker *cough* client walking in to purchase the $500 bottle of cologne. To each his own, but like beauty, I beleive value and happiness are in the eye of the beholder. It's not about buying a Lamborghini versus a Yugo. It's not about a champagne experience on a beer price, which I found rather condescending by the way. It's about not being a gullable sucker and being taken advantage of. Most people would rather buy clothes on sale at 1/2 price than pay full sticker price. The clothes are exactly the same. They arent any less enjoyable because i paid less. If you wanna actuively seek out and support sticker prices so businesses stay in business, be my guest. But as you said, many people will think it's foolish of you. Even if i was a multi-millonaire, i wouldnt be a sucker. There's a saying...the people who have money to spend dont flaunt or talk about it. It's the one's who dress like average joe's and spend conservatively who have the money and wise sage advice.

[EZEtoGRU]

TBL

Goodness gracious. My post was a general comment that was not directed at you nor responding to you. Really had nothing to do with you at all. Got anger issues?

[twinkboylover28]

TBL

Goodness gracious. My post was a general comment that was not directed at you nor responding to you. Really had nothing to do with you at all. Got anger issues?

 

Are you drunk?

[Cooper]

What's ahead for the 20 Club

 

With all that out of the way, we encourage all forum members who have visited Club 20 to participate in a constructive discussion of the things you have enjoyed at our club, as well as those things you would like to see improved. We will do everything we can to take action. Let the discussion begin!!

 

Welcome new member "Club 20 NYC"... I look forward to reading more informational posts from you.

 

I enjoy attending male strip clubs and have been going to the 20 Club since it opened. I'm not there to get caught up in the politics of the club but to kick back and relax. I'm there to enjoy a good lineup of dancers that consists of hot looking men of all body types.

 

Some changes take time but making the customer feel welcomed and appreciated is always a good start. I recall when patrons spoke up about the lights in the lap dance area been too bright. That issues was resolved... I recall when we questioned the necessity of a security guard watching over the lap dance area and that issue was resolved... We had asked that new dancers be added to that "same ole, same ole", lineup and that issue is still open for discussion...

 

In the early days of the the 20 Club we used to refer to it as "Club Greed". Since then there has been a 1/2 price reduced cover and 2-4-1 drink specials till 7pm. One of my suggestions would be to extend happy hour and reduced cover till 8pm. Reason being, if dancers aren't taking to the stage till just before 6pm, then why encourage patrons to arrive earlier.

 

When I first attended the 20C the cost for 20 minutes of heaven in the champagne room was $200. That was just too much money and many of us said it was cheaper to hire an escort. Correct me if I'm wrong but the cost of the champagne room is now $160 + tips. If customers are willing to pay for that fine, but I think if you lowered that price you'd have more patrons interested in going into those private rooms, just sayin'. From a business point of view, what's better, having the booths mostly empty or mostly full?

 

From reading the message boards there have been many requests for advanced notice on who will be dancing. Rarely has any information been posted about the 20 Club on this topic. Suggestion: create a Facebook page and a website, keep it updated with club info and pictures of the dancers. Posting a tentative lineup on daddy's would be appreciated.

 

Finally, When I used to attend the Gaiety there was always a "Featured Dancer" in the lineup. When someone of the caliber of a porn star like Jason Adonis was there I always made a point of attending. Advertising a "Headliner" is a draw and you might want to consider going in that direction.

 

I realize change takes time and I'm not expecting everything I've mentioned to be fixed over night but showing that you are open to these suggestions is a good start.

 

Good luck in your new position.

 

Coop

[CGFD]

COOP: I agree with you 100%!! I too have been going to Club 20 since Day One. I have also suggested bringing in a headliner, if not every week, at least once a month. But that costs money. Even the local porn stars need to be paid a fee. (It's not like when they worked a week at the Gaiety and could take home thousands of dollars in fees for privates). And I fear that's the stumbling block for headliners. But I'm with you - it would be a wise investment. And as there's no other place for them in NYC, I am sure it would be an easy thing to do.

[twinkboylover28]

Welcome new member "Club 20 NYC"... I look forward to reading more informational posts from you.

 

I enjoy attending male strip clubs and have been going to the 20 Club since it opened. I'm not there to get caught up in the politics of the club but to kick back and relax. I'm there to enjoy a good lineup of dancers that consists of hot looking men of all body types.

 

Some changes take time but making the customer feel welcomed and appreciated is always a good start. I recall when patrons spoke up about the lights in the lap dance area been too bright. That issues was resolved... I recall when we questioned the necessity of a security guard watching over the lap dance area and that issue was resolved... We had asked that new dancers be added to that "same ole, same ole", lineup and that issue is still open for discussion...

 

In the early days of the the 20 Club we used to refer to it as "Club Greed". Since then there has been a 1/2 price reduced cover and 2-4-1 drink specials till 7pm. One of my suggestions would be to extend happy hour and reduced cover till 8pm. Reason being, if dancers aren't taking to the stage till just before 6pm, then why encourage patrons to arrive earlier.

 

When I first attended the 20C the cost for 20 minutes of heaven in the champagne room was $200. That was just too much money and many of us said it was cheaper to hire an escort. Correct me if I'm wrong but the cost of the champagne room is now $160 + tips. If customers are willing to pay for that fine, but I think if you lowered that price you'd have more patrons interested in going into those private rooms, just sayin'. From a business point of view, what's better, having the booths mostly empty or mostly full?

 

From reading the message boards there have been many requests for advanced notice on who will be dancing. Rarely has any information been posted about the 20 Club on this topic. Suggestion: create a Facebook page and a website, keep it updated with club info and pictures of the dancers. Posting a tentative lineup on daddy's would be appreciated.

 

Finally, When I used to attend the Gaiety there was always a "Featured Dancer" in the lineup. When someone of the caliber of a porn star like Jason Adonis was there I always made a point of attending. Advertising a "Headliner" is a draw and you might want to consider going in that direction.

 

I realize change takes time and I'm not expecting everything I've mentioned to be fixed over night but showing that you are open to these suggestions is a good start.

 

Good luck in your new position.

 

Coop

 

 

Amen!

[edjames]

Thanks for the warm invite and new info. I may just have to give it another shot.

 

Kevin Slater

 

Great! Let us know, in advance, of when you might be there and you can join us for a few laughs and some good conversation among fellow hoovillians!!! Of course, you'll have to excuse us as we pop off to have a few lap dances with our fave dancers.

 

ED

[julio11]

Lots of bs here, but thats why we left for a better situation

 

leboyz was created with the downfalls of club 20 in mind

 

3 hour happy hour

 

reduced rate admission till 8pm

 

lower priced drinks

 

lower priced vip rooms

 

nicer, all gay staff and owners

 

2 nights a week soon 3 now sunday & wednesday!

 

Treat customers with respect and appreciation!

[twinkboylover28]

Lots of bs here, but thats why we left for a better situation

 

leboyz was created with the downfalls of club 20 in mind

 

3 hour happy hour

 

reduced rate admission till 8pm

 

lower priced drinks

 

lower priced vip rooms

 

nicer, all gay staff and owners

 

2 nights a week soon 3 now sunday & wednesday!

 

Treat customers with respect and appreciation!

 

The cheaper the better. That sounds like some decent customer appreciation.

[Cooper]

Back Door possibilities...

 

COOP: I agree with you 100%!!... I have also suggested bringing in a headliner... But that costs money. Even the local porn stars need to be paid a fee. (It's not like when they worked a week at the Gaiety and could take home thousands of dollars in fees for privates). And I fear that's the stumbling block for headliners...

 

CGFD, Good point and perhaps when the 20 Club expands to a Monday thru Saturday club (aka Back Door on 19th St.) it might be easier to attract not only out-of-state dancers but some featured headliners. Only time will tell but I think it's important that we speak up as to whom we might like to see as the headliner. One club featured some body builder and it attracted absolutely no one.

 

Finally, as I've said over and over again, I don't attend these clubs to be caught up in their politics or back stabbing. I have enough problems of my own to care who's right or wrong. I attend to have a relaxing time with friends and dancers... So, please, keep your "club wars" out of this Forum.

 

Coop

[twinkboylover28]

It would be cool to have a hot twink like Skyelr Bleu.

[Cooper]

It would be cool to have a hot twink like Skyelr Bleu.

 

Twinkboylover... thanks for that positive suggestion... Hope we can get more responses like that... As for me, I'm more of a Bel Ami type guy, so, anyone in that category is fine with me... Coop

[twinkboylover28]

Twinkboylover... thanks for that positive suggestion... Hope we can get more responses like that... As for me, I'm more of a Bel Ami type guy, so, anyone in that category is fine with me... Coop

 

OMG I would cream if you brought in anyone from Bel Ami as well. You have very good taste

My fave porn stars are from BoyCrush and Helix studios. Not that i know anything about that j/k.

[julio11]

Well twinkboylover FORGET all this BULL and just cum to LEBOYZ Feb 27 Oscar Night for OUR SPECIAL GUEST STAR

 

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BEL AMI PORN STAR SUPREME!

 

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