BAD ESCORT CALL!!

[DavidGartner]

Hello Gentlemen,

 

What do you make of this!? I get a call from a guy stating he wants me for a call. He seems cool and nice, and tells me he is willing to spend a max of 450. I would have to travel though to him, he lives about 60miles from me. I have a few friends that told me that they would drive me ya know if I paid them. I offered my friend 60 to drive me, which he does. I tell the guy Im on my way.

 

I arrive at the apartment complex, and he says he will come get me, than changes his mind giving me the code to get into the building and I precede to his apartment. He keeps asking me what IM wearing and Im thinking... shouldnt this guy know what I look like since he did see my picture before calling. He tells me he wants to see my body before he lets me in and to arrive at the door with my shirt off. Now Im thinking to myself "okkk sure" Cause now the story is changing and im feeling something is weird with this situation.

 

I am now standing infront of his apt and i knock on the door and no one answers but than my cell rings... He begins to tell me he likes my belt and what kind of underwear im wearing, i tell him boxers. He then tells me to drop my pants and he will let me in!!

 

I put my shirt back on and walk away and tell him no, thats public nudity and I am not about to break the law and get in trouble. He says that he gets all the escorts to do this ( I am not just another escort I am David Gartner!! lol ) I told him that he should of told me exactly what he wanted before he brought me 60miles down. He than tells me that IM not a real escort and hes glad he saved the money. What do you guys think?

 

Thank you for your opinions.. and I just thought Id share this cause it makes for a fascinating story:)

[TotallyOz]

I think he was a freak asshole and it is probably better that you didn't go in. Anytime you feel uncomfortable in a situation, move on. It isn't worth it. Trust your instincts.

[SmallTownJohn]

Sounds like those guys down South that want you to drive several hours into Bumfuck but get pissed off when you tell them no discount.

 

If they want it bad enough...they'll come get it:0)

 

John

http://www.SmallTownJohn1.com

[+ deej]

Your instinct was probably right to get out of there. The guy was probably in an entirely different apartment with a view of where you were standing.

 

We've seen reports of this over and over: guys who drag an escort out to an address that isn't theirs with no intention of seeing him. They get their twisted jollies seeing the hapless escort knock on some housewife's door or, as in your case, seeing just how far they can get the guy to go.

 

Trust your instincts.

[Guest Merlin]

I agree with all the above. It was probably all a cruel practical joke. I think the situation could have been avoided if you had told him from the beginning that to travel so far you would need a deposit and travel expenses. He probably would have refused. But if he had sent you a deposit, then he would have opened the door (if it was his door) rather than see his deposit be wasted.

[Guest fukamarine]

>I agree with all the above. It was probably all a cruel

>practical joke. I think the situation could have been avoided

>if you had told him from the beginning that to travel so far

>you would need a deposit and travel expenses. He probably

>would have refused. But if he had sent you a deposit, then he

>would have opened the door (if it was his door) rather than

>see his deposit be wasted.

 

The way I read the original post is that the apointment was more or less of the "immediate" variety - so I can't quite see how a deposit would have been possible. The escort was lured by the "$450" offered and probably through all caution to the wind in order to realise a quick profit.

 

As he contemplates lying to state officials about his drivers license, residence and God only knows what else. I get the impression that David will lie about anything in order to advance his own adgenda. Therefore he shouldn't be too surprised that other people will also lie if it suits their purpose.

 

Perhaps this will end up being a learning experience - but somehow I doubt it.

 

fukamarine

 

fukamarine

[Doug69]

>As he contemplates lying to state officials about his drivers

>license, residence and God only knows what else. I get the

>impression that David will lie about anything in order to

>advance his own adgenda. Therefore he shouldn't be too

>surprised that other people will also lie if it suits their

>purpose.

 

The fact that David is so manipulative and self-centered only makes him that much, hotter, in my opinion. Look at his pic - who cares whether he tells the truth to some minmial-wage government bureaucrat?

 

>The escort was

>lured by the "$450" offered and probably through all caution

>to the wind in order to realise a quick profit.

 

I couldn't help pointing out this little illiteracy - one of the more embarrassing ones I've seen.

 

>Perhaps this will end up being a learning experience - but

>somehow I doubt it.

 

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[grweyers]

I am glad nothing went wrong for you. It's a pity your time was wasted by this idiot. Just like we have access to the "Escort Reviews"

to see and select an Escort, so to should Escorts have a Site, so that they to can inform fellow Escorts about bad and screwed up Customers.

A note for your friend - Friendship is important to all of us, do not charge your buddy to take them some where, one day you will need some thing and that friendship will come into play. Friendship is about having fun, helping each other and having some-one you can trust.

[Guest fukamarine]

>The fact that David is so manipulative and self-centered only

>makes him that much, hotter, in my opinion. Look at his pic -

>who cares whether he tells the truth to some minmial-wage

>government bureaucrat?

 

I've heard it all before - if the cock is attached to something georgous enough - nothing else matters. You'd make a good candidate for the Bush White House - you could justify anything!

 

>>The escort was

>>lured by the "$450" offered and probably through all

>caution

>>to the wind in order to realise a quick profit.

>

>I couldn't help pointing out this little illiteracy - one of

>the more embarrassing ones I've seen.

 

Thanks - just what the web needs - another Miss Jean Brodie. Of course we all know that when typing quickly YOU, OH GREAT ONE have NEVER made a mistake. Sigh.......... oh to be so perfect!

 

fukamarine

[Guest Tristan]

David, the guy sounds very strange. I think it was insulting and inappropriate to ask you to take your shirt off in the hallway. If he insisted on seeing you shirtless, he should have raised the issue before you agreed to see him. You were right to get the h**l out of there.

[Doug69]

>I've heard it all before - if the cock is attached to

>something georgous enough - nothing else matters. You'd make a

>good candidate for the Bush White House - you could justify

>anything!

 

No - it's just that looking at someone like David and seeing how young and hot he is - and then yapping and complaining that he gave some inaccurate information to some big fat pig at the Driver's License Bureau - is stuff that I would expect to read on a Miss Manner's board, but not here.

 

You sounded like his 2nd grade school teacher with your hair in a bun.

 

>Thanks - just what the web needs - another Miss Jean Brodie.

>Of course we all know that when typing quickly YOU, OH GREAT

>ONE have NEVER made a mistake. Sigh.......... oh to be so

>perfect!

 

I make spelling and typing mistakes all the time when I post on the Internet, but yours was not that. You used the wrong word, and it was just funny, that's all. No need to be so defensive - I'm sure you're a nice, literate old man.

[woodlawn]

>No - it's just that looking at someone like David and seeing

>how young and hot he is - and then yapping and complaining

>that he gave some inaccurate information to some big fat pig

>at the Driver's License Bureau - is stuff that I would expect

>to read on a Miss Manner's board, but not here.

 

 

I think f was simply pointing out how ironic it is that this escort complains about a client who lied and manipulated him when the same escort recently mentioned in another thread that he has just done the same sort of thing to get what he wants. The subject of this thread is lying and manipulation, isn't it? Does the quality of that sort of behavior really depend in your mind on whether the person doing it is handsome and whether the person on the receiving end is ugly? That doesn't really fit with the high moral tone you took in the thread on Bush's resume.

[Rick Munroe]

>The subject of this thread is lying and manipulation, isn't it?

 

No, it's "BAD ESCORT CALL!!"

[+ Lucky]

So there's woodie! He hasn't been posting much, so it was nice to see Doug pick up the slack. They seem to have gone to the same school.

[woodlawn]

>>The subject of this thread is lying and manipulation, isn't

>it?

 

>No, it's "BAD ESCORT CALL!!"

 

I've often wondered how someone who is approaching middle age keeps coming up with remarks that sound uncannily like those of a fourteen-year-old. My current theory is that you've put a listening device in the boys' bathroom at your local middle school. Close?

[woodlawn]

>So there's woodie! He hasn't been posting much, so it was

>nice to see Doug pick up the slack. They seem to have gone to

>the same school.

 

You, on the other hand, are currently working on your second 3,000 posts. If they all consist of the same meaningless crap as the above, you should get there in no time at all.

[+ Lucky]

As long as you read them, woodie, I'll keep posting them. Maybe I'll come up with a new screen name and see how long it takes you to figure out that it is still your lucky buddy.

[Doug69]

>I think f was simply pointing out how ironic it is that this

>escort complains about a client who lied and manipulated him

>when the same escort recently mentioned in another thread that

>he has just done the same sort of thing to get what he wants.

 

If that was the point which he was trying to make - and, if so, I would recommend that he say what he thinks much less cryptically in the future - then I should have been even harsher in my reply, since the point you claim he was trying to make is just inane.

 

Do you think there are no ethical differences between false statements - i.e., that they vary depending upon their intent, impact on others, justifying context, and other distinguishing factors? If not, let me know if you think that the following actions are ethically equal:

 

(1) - Person X is asked by his mother if he likes the new dress she got, and even though he hates it, he tells her he likes it, because he knows that telling her it's hideous would hurt his mother's feelings and make her feel bad, whereas telling her that it's pretty will make her feel good.

 

(2) - Person Y sees an old woman sitting on a bench, walks up to her and tells her that he has a diamond ring in his pocket which he'll sell to her for $10,000, when it's really just fake costume jewelrey. Believing his lies, the woman goes with him to her bank, gives him $10,000, and gets the fake ring.

 

Do you not see a moral difference between those two acts - both of which involve saying something that is inaccurate in order to achieve a desired result?

 

If Person X came to you and told you he was the victim of scenario (2) -- i.e. that he was defrauded out of the $10,000 by the guy lying about the ring -- would you tell him: "Too bad for you - you're the type of person who lies to achieve your goals (i.e., when he lied to his mother about her dress), so you deserve what you got when you got defrauded out of the ring. Those who live by the lie die by the lie." Is that what you would tell him?

 

I think there's a huge difference between the rather harmless and innocuous statement David made to some Driver's License bureaucrat - and the decitful web spun by this "client" that wasted a lot of David's time and efforts and energies on a cruel pathetic lying scheme. Do you really not see a difference?

 

>Does the quality of that sort of behavior really depend

>in your mind on whether the person doing it is handsome and

>whether the person on the receiving end is ugly?

 

I just think that on an escort board, when talking to someone that hot, one would have better things to talk to him about than scolding him for telling a fib to the Driver License's Bureau.

 

>That doesn't

>really fit with the high moral tone you took in the thread on

>Bush's resume.

 

In the Bush thread, I was expressing my objections to various individuals who were demeaning the achievements of impressive individuals based upon their race. I was also objecting to someone who goes into a judicial proceeding, swears under oath to tesitfy truthfully, and then lies when giving tesimony. Those strike me as much more serious offenses than someone who makes an inaccurate statement on a Driver's License application in order to get a cheaper insurance rate.

 

But that view will make sense to you only if you believe that there are ethical distinctions one can draw among different types of blameworthy acts. If you think all bad acts are equally blameworthy (i.e., that harmless fibs = destructive lies, since they both constitute the making of inaccurate statements), and you are blind to distinctions between them, then that distinction won't make sense to you.

[VaHawk]

Well, we'll keep hoping that one day you will be able to read with comprehension what is written, and not just the words on the page.

But I doubt that will ever happen.

 

And why does the person at DMV have to a "fat pig", "minimum wage" government bureaucrat? Please don't get offended, but the more you post including your previous posts under other names, the more obvious it is that you put the "I" in both ignorance and insufferable.

[Doug69]

>Well, we'll keep hoping that one day you will be able to read

>with comprehension what is written, and not just the words on

>the page.

>But I doubt that will ever happen.

 

I asked you to put away your Book of "101 Best Internet Insults," but I guess you're too dependent upon it to do so.

 

>And why does the person at DMV have to a "fat pig", "minimum

>wage" government bureaucrat?

 

Have you been to the DMV lately? Is there anyone working there who is something other than a fat pig - or a minimal wage government bureaucrat?

[woodlawn]

>Do you think there are no ethical differences between false

>statements - i.e., that they vary depending upon their intent,

>impact on others, justifying context, and other distinguishing

>factors?

 

No, I don't think that. But I did read the statements of Gartner about all the scams he is involved in -- including the fact that he is in this country illegally -- and I see no difference between his lies and manipulations and those he is complaining about in this thread. He isn't lying in order to avoid hurting someone's feelings, he's doing it for his own private gain, just like the client he is complaining about here.

 

 

>I think there's a huge difference between the rather harmless

>and innocuous statement David made to some Driver's License

>bureaucrat - and the decitful web spun by this "client" that

>wasted a lot of David's time and efforts and energies on a

>cruel pathetic lying scheme. Do you really not see a

>difference?

 

None whatever. And let me remind you that Gartner, by his own account, is involved in breaking a whole host of laws that are intended to keep track of foreigners who live and work and get driving licenses in this country. I think the objectives of those laws are one hell of a lot more important than the fact that a few minutes of some escort's time were wasted by some practical joker.

 

For example, suppose Gartner causes an automobile accident in which someone is hurt. If his insurers find out any of the information he is required to give them is false, they may refuse to pay the claim. What happens to the person who was injured then? How does he get compensated? Well?

 

>I just think that on an escort board, when talking to someone

>that hot, one would have better things to talk to him about

>than scolding him for telling a fib to the Driver License's

>Bureau.

 

Well Doug, the fact is no one asked him to start a thread all about his adventures here. If he's going to offer all sorts of information about his life to anyone who reads this board, he'll have to get used to the fact that anyone who has an opinion about the stories he tells will feel free to express it, and it isn't necessarily going to be a positive opinion. That's the nature of message boards. When talking to someone "that hot"? To me Gartner seems skinny, undeveloped and not even slightly handsome, but even if he was better looking than Jason Lewis it would still hold true that putting your life story on a message board is an invitation to comments of all kinds.

 

 

>I was also objecting to

>someone who goes into a judicial proceeding, swears under oath

>to tesitfy truthfully, and then lies when giving tesimony.

>Those strike me as much more serious offenses than someone who

>makes an inaccurate statement on a Driver's License

>application in order to get a cheaper insurance rate.

 

If you were familiar with civil litigation you would know that lying under oath in such proceedings is extremely common. If everyone who lied under oath in a civil deposition or trial went to prison, we'd have to release all the murderers, rapists and drug dealers to make room for them. Ever wonder why prosecutions for perjury are so rare? That's one of the reasons.

 

As for the seriousness of the offense, I don't think that lying in a sworn deposition, as Clinton did, is any more serious than sneaking into the country and staying here under false pretenses.

[Guest fukamarine]

It is refreshing to see that both Woodlawn and VaHawk - both of whom I have had differences with in the past - supported my views on the lunacy of the arguments that Doug69 put forth in support of an escort of questionable habits which he excuses and/or overlooks just becaue he thinks said escort is hot.

 

It is unfortunate that Doug69 can't grasp the fact that lying about his driving record, insurance status and resident status could conceivably land the escort in a situation where he finds himself without any insurance in the event of an accident. And if someone else's life is ruined without much chance of compensation - oh well - what the hell - the escort was SO HOT that every transgression is excusable!

 

His thought processes (or lack thereof) are so convoluted that all he can come up with is some inane comparison between his mother's ugly dress and a $10,000 ring.

 

Kinda makes one wonder what the "69" in Doug69 stands for. Let's see now....... it could be

(a) A sexual position he enjoys

(b) The year he was born

© His age when he found he needed a new handle

(d) The results from his latest IQ test.

 

I'll leave the supposition up to you!

 

fukamarine

 

fukamarine

[DavidGartner]

um ok, Yes i am untruthful when it comes to my driving record but i dont think you are understanding the facts here.

 

#1 I can't take care of the tickets associated with my ID card/cali DL because I cant come up with enough money when I dont have a car

 

#2 70% of my business is from outcall

 

#3 If i dont get a car soon and make some money to take care and handle the problems I have with Cali etc than I will never take care of it cause i will NEVER make enough money to ever survive.

 

#4 I am just right now passing by life my in cali, im barely making rent, so its taking a huge part on my end to ask friends for rides, and cheapen my rate immensely to get people to come to me.

 

#5 I am pleading desperately for support ( ie non negative comments about my roadtrip ) becasue Ive been going thro severe depression couped up in my apartment, no friends casue ive been so depressed to make any, and trying to get out of my rut (sp)

[DavidGartner]

Oh and another thing, ive never started off with a subject, and by the end its trailed off into something completely different. Its like saying "if u have sex u might get hiv" and than you talk about u got hiv, than omg ur dieing, and making plans for the funeral before the person has even had sex! Lets just take it one step at a time.

[woodlawn]

>um ok, Yes i am untruthful when it comes to my driving record

>but i dont think you are understanding the facts here.

 

 

Actually, David, I think we do understand the facts. You made a decision to come to this country to work, even though it's unlawful for you to work at any sort of job here given your immigration status, and you are working at a trade that is illegal no matter what your status is because you believe you can make more money at that trade than in any legal job. In the course of plying your illegal trade you violated some of the local traffic laws and got some tickets, and you are dealing with that problem by pulling even more scams.

 

I'm sorry to hear you're having a tough time, and it's not my purpose to berate you simply because you're a hooker or because you got some traffic tickets or lied to your insurance company and the DMV. Plenty of people do those things and worse. My only point is that if you're going to go through life dealing with every problem that comes up by pulling various scams it's pretty ironic for you to come here and complain when someone else scams you.

 

 

>#5 I am pleading desperately for support ( ie non negative

>comments about my roadtrip ) becasue Ive been going thro

>severe depression couped up in my apartment, no friends casue

>ive been so depressed to make any, and trying to get out of my

>rut (sp)

 

Here's a non-negative comment: Why not just go back to your hometown and get a job? What you're really complaining about here is the problems and inconveniences you encounter in leading a life of petty crime. If it's that tough, why do it?