Scott Klein

[Guest Canada]

I was surprised and saddened to learn from his web site that Scott Klein has died sometime this year. He was a very handsome heavy-weight-class bodybuilder who worked out of Chicago, I believe. Although he was straight, I understand he made some gay movies and was very comfortable as an escort to guy men.

 

Sorry if his death has already been discussed in this forum but I have just joined and am in remotest Canada. Does anyone have any information on the loss of this very beautiful man whom I have appreciated from afar for many years.? It would be appreciated. Thanks.

[Doug69]

WrldEscrtSean

 

I don't know anything about Scott Klein, but I read on this message board some time ago that the escort who used to post here as WorldEscrtSean also died recently.

 

Given that things you read on the Internet are often unreliable, I'm wondering if anyone has any information about whether this is actually true?

 

If so, it would be a profoundly sad loss for the gay community, as

Sean was one of the most generous, loving, kind-hearted, and light-emanating souls ever to have graced the escorting world. May his gentle soul rest in peace in that great whorehouse in the sky.

[Guest Canada]

RE: WrldEscrtSean

 

Sorry to learn of the loss. Where did Sean live?

[ted]

This has not been discussed here much, but over on MuscleService http://www.muscleservice.com its been discussed extensively since there have been at least 3 bodybuilder/escort deaths this year-Scott Klein, Androkid, Totally Huge. The concensus is they are steroid use/abuse drug related, but no definitive answers.

[+ bigjoey]

RE: WrldEscrtSean

 

doug,

while i may agree with you often on your political postings, i differ from you in the description of worldescortsean. while he was average in his escort skills, in his "old age" as he approached 40 he went sort of crazy here on this board. toward the end of his life he became a vicious, bitter, old queen; he hated escorting and the men that hired him; he felt that life had delt him a raw deal and he desired to live the lifestyle of the rich and famous; he hated being poor and forced to have sex with old trolls. he mourned the loss of his youth and could not tollerate "old age". he was a sad character. while he might have been different, years ago when he was young, the people who hired him (like me) and knew him from his postings here knew a different man. a sad and sorry person was he.

[Doug69]

RE: WrldEscrtSean

 

>while i may agree with you often on your political postings, i

>differ from you in the description of worldescortsean.

 

I'll get to those differences in a minute. But first, a question: do you know if he's actually dead?

 

while

>he was average in his escort skills, in his "old age" as he

>approached 40 he went sort of crazy here on this board.

 

Really? Sorry I missed that! What happened?

 

toward

>the end of his life he became a vicious, bitter, old queen; he

>hated escorting and the men that hired him; he felt that life

>had delt him a raw deal and he desired to live the lifestyle

>of the rich and famous; he hated being poor and forced to have

>sex with old trolls.

 

Are you trying to say that this makes (made?) him different than the average escort? Do you really think that most 21 year-old hot guys enjoy having sex with fat 60 year-olds, or do you think that they do it because - to use your words - they are "poor and [therefore]forced to have sex with old trolls"?

 

>could not tollerate "old age". he was a sad character. while

>he might have been different, years ago when he was young, the

>people who hired him (like me) and knew him from his postings

>here knew a different man. a sad and sorry person was he.

 

Even if what you described here is true - and I don't know first-hand that it is - I'd say that nothing you said is inconsistent with what I wrote. At most, what you are accusing him of is being worthy of pity. I don't think that the (understandable) resentment that a person like Sean feels about - to use your words - "being forced to have sex with old trolls" is reflective of that person's worth as a person.

 

Frankly, I think most people would grow resentful and angry if they were forced to engage in such activities in order to earn a living. I don't think, though, that this understandable reaction is inconsistent with his being a good soul.

 

May God Bless WorldEsctSean.

[BgMstr4u]

RE: WrldEscrtSean

 

I am sorry to hear that Sean has died -- if indeed it is true. I hope not.

 

I encountered Sean 20 years or so ago in Los Angeles. He was escorting then, and I was nearer 35 than 56, and not quite as troll-like as I am now. I am sorry to say that he was not nice then either -- not personally clean, not socially adept, not charming, not even good sexually. The thing is, he seemed not to know. What I admire in Sean is the sheer ability to keep working -- working hard -- at a profession for which he was not suited and in which his success must have been at best intermittent.

[woodlawn]

RE: WrldEscrtSean

 

>forced to

>have

>>sex with old trolls.

 

>I don't think that

>the (understandable) resentment that a person like Sean feels

>about - to use your words - "being forced to have sex with old

>trolls" is reflective of that person's worth as a person.

 

>Frankly, I think most people would grow resentful and angry if

>they were forced to engage in such activities in order to earn

>a living.

 

Excuse me, but how can anyone be "forced" to have sex with old trolls in order to earn a living? If he hated doing it, why didn't he just get a job?

[Doug69]

RE: WrldEscrtSean

 

>Excuse me,. . ..

 

My, how polite you're being today.

 

> but how can anyone be "forced" to have sex with old

>trolls in order to earn a living?

 

You're asking the wrong person. As I made clear twice, I was quoting BigJoey's description of Sean's plight. The sentiment about which you are inquiring is not mine.

 

Nonetheless, allow me, if you would be so kind, to point out to you that there is something called "unemployment" whereby people who seek jobs are not able to find them, because jobs for which they can be hired do not exist. I don't mean to burden you with esoteric principles of economics, but haven't you heard of this phenomenon before?

 

Also, there are people who assume certain financial burdens (such as, say, a mortgage or a loan or a commitment to support someone else) based upon a certain amount of income they are earning. That income, due to a variety of circumstances, may become unavailable at some point, and other than whoring themselves out, there may be no way to fulfill one's obligations.

 

Depending upon the degree of compulsion Joey was referencing when he used the word "forced" -- i.e., not literally being "forced" as if he had a gun to his head before an escort date, but rather, a certain amount of circumstantial comuplsion -- any of those scenarios could qualify.

 

Oh, and by the way - how is your hole doing today? Have you found a way to reduce its twitchiness and hunger which so often plagues you?

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

RE: WrldEscrtSean

 

>I don't know anything about Scott Klein, but I read on this

>message board some time ago that the escort who used to post

>here as WorldEscrtSean also died recently.

>

>Given that things you read on the Internet are often

>unreliable, I'm wondering if anyone has any information about

>whether this is actually true?

>

 

Cannot say with certainty but here is what I know. I came across a web page devoted to a brief but moving memorial/obit for Sean, 'the person', obviously posted by someone very close to him. Sean's pics were posted in addition to his name so their was no ambiguity. The page said that Sean passed on last November after a year long illness from an unusual disease attacking the brain. The web page has since been taken down. I have no additional information to offer.

[Boston Guy]

RE: WrldEscrtSean

 

1) Yes, Sean died last year.

 

2) Yes, he was pretty cynical as a younger man and bitter as a middle-aged man.

 

3) Yes, he looked down on the guys he hired.

 

3) Yes, there are always other options for guys who are escorting but hate doing it. Debts can be rescheduled, impossible debts can be shed through bankruptcy, jobs can be taken. Many people have worked two or even three jobs to make ends meet when the going gets tough. Escorting is not the only -- or probably even the best -- option available to any man and especially to men who hate doing it. I would kindly suggest that most men who are escorting do so because it provides a reasonable stream of income that allows them to do other things that they want to do.

 

I've known escorts who got sick of it and quit and found, to their great surprise, that steady jobs were tougher than they anticipated. Years of escorting hadn't prepared them well for the grind of 9-to-5. In at least one case, the former escort looks back on his escorting days now and wonders what the heck he was complaining about.

 

Having said that, most of us wouldn't choose to have daily or frequent sex with men we aren't attracted to. But with every choice you have to take the good with the bad. On balance, most of the escorts I know seem quite content with how they're making money. But then most of the guys I know are using escorting as a way to earn "easy" money while they're doing other things, generally school or grad school.

 

BG

[woodlawn]

RE: WrldEscrtSean

 

>>Excuse me,. . ..

>

>My, how polite you're being today.

 

That's a hell of a lot more than anyone can say about you.

 

>> but how can anyone be "forced" to have sex with old

>>trolls in order to earn a living?

 

>You're asking the wrong person. As I made clear twice, I was

>quoting BigJoey's description of Sean's plight. The sentiment

>about which you are inquiring is not mine.

 

As I review your post, I see that you quoted another poster's words. I see also that you then expressed the same notion in your own words. For the benefit of those not accustomed to English, that's usually taken to mean that one agrees with the notion in question. Hopefully you'll know better next time.

 

 

>Nonetheless, allow me, if you would be so kind, to point out

>to you that there is something called "unemployment" whereby

>people who seek jobs are not able to find them, because jobs

>for which they can be hired do not exist. I don't mean to

>burden you with esoteric principles of economics, but haven't

>you heard of this phenomenon before?

 

I certainly have. But there are probably about 10 million unemployed adults in this country at present, if one counts discouraged workers as well as those actively looking for work but unable to find a job. I can't think that most or even a significant percentage of that group have turned to prostitution to make ends meet. If they had, prices would be a lot lower. If they haven't been "forced" to become prostitutes, why was Sean "forced" into it?

 

 

>Also, there are people who assume certain financial burdens

>(such as, say, a mortgage or a loan or a commitment to support

>someone else) based upon a certain amount of income they are

>earning. That income, due to a variety of circumstances, may

>become unavailable at some point, and other than whoring

>themselves out, there may be no way to fulfill one's

>obligations.

 

I don't mean to burden you with esoteric principles of law, but have you ever heard of bankruptcy?

 

>Depending upon the degree of compulsion Joey was referencing

>when he used the word "forced" -- i.e., not literally being

>"forced" as if he had a gun to his head before an escort date,

>but rather, a certain amount of circumstantial comuplsion --

>any of those scenarios could qualify.

 

You don't know what you're talking about, but I do. I remember many of Sean's posts here. On some of the many occasions when he made disparaging remarks about clients various posters asked why he continued to be an escort if it required him to deal with people he hated. His response was that he had chosen this occupation because he preferred it to a job that required him to spend eight hours a day working in an office cubicle. So according to him there really was no compulsion at all.

 

>Oh, and by the way - how is your hole doing today? Have you

>found a way to reduce its twitchiness and hunger which so

>often plagues you?

 

Besides being a lying piece of shit, you also lack a sense of humor. But I did get a smile from the notion that you would feel any concern for the welfare of any other person, however clumsily or sarcastically expressed.

[Doug69]

RE: WrldEscrtSean

 

>I certainly have. But there are probably about 10 million

>unemployed adults in this country at present, if one counts

>discouraged workers as well as those actively looking for work

>but unable to find a job.

 

Precisely. Given the millions and millions of people who want to work but can't find jobs, why would you be so ridiculous as to suggest that any escort can simply go get a job any time they decide they want one, when you know that's not true? How weird.

 

I can't think that most or even a

>significant percentage of that group have turned to

>prostitution to make ends meet. If they had, prices would be

>a lot lower. If they haven't been "forced" to become

>prostitutes, why was Sean "forced" into it?

 

Do I really need to give you the answer to this most imbecilic question? Take a look in the mirror. Now, tell me - is it possible for everyone to escort, or is it the case that only a small percentage of people would qualify based upon their physical appearance?

 

Most unemployed people are unable to earn a living escorting because their physical appearance would not allow them to do so, even if they wanted to. Some people, however, are able to do so, and thus do so because it is their only option for a livelihood. Did you really not know that?

 

> That income, due to a variety of circumstances,

>may

>>become unavailable at some point, and other than whoring

>>themselves out, there may be no way to fulfill one's

>>obligations.

 

>I don't mean to burden you with esoteric principles of law,

>but have you ever heard of bankruptcy?

 

There are many people - although you obviously are not one of them - who do not consider bankruptcy to be a viable option because they feel that it is unethical or otherwise wrong to abandon the commitments they have made. For such honorable people, they would feel compelled to work even at a job they hate (such as escorting) rather than squelch on their commitments.

 

I know it's hard for someone like you to understand that - which is why you so glibly offer bankruptcy as a way out of fulfilling obligations -- but some people take their commitments more seriously than you do, thank God.

[woodlawn]

RE: WrldEscrtSean

 

>Precisely. Given the millions and millions of people who want

>to work but can't find jobs, why would you be so ridiculous as

>to suggest that any escort can simply go get a job any time

>they decide they want one, when you know that's not true? How

>weird.

 

Even an idiot like you should know better than to write nonsense like the above. As one of his clients pointed out here, Sean was a prostitute for many years. Surely you are not suggesting that high unemployment rates prevented him from getting a job FOR THE PAST TWO DECADES? LOL!

 

 

>Most unemployed people are unable to earn a living escorting

>because their physical appearance would not allow them to do

>so, even if they wanted to.

 

How the fuck would you know that? You have no information about the attractiveness of "most unemployed people." Do you really think you can make up shit like that as a substitute for real argument without anyone noticing? If so, you're even more of a fool than you seem.

 

>Some people, however, are able to

>do so, and thus do so because it is their only option for a

>livelihood. Did you really not know that?

 

I don't know anyone for whom I can say with certainty that being a prostitute is "their only option for a livelihood" -- at least not any adult. Do you know any such people? Give us some examples.

 

>There are many people - although you obviously are not one of

>them - who do not consider bankruptcy to be a viable option

>because they feel that it is unethical or otherwise wrong to

>abandon the commitments they have made. For such honorable

>people, they would feel compelled to work even at a job they

>hate (such as escorting) rather than squelch on their

>commitments.

 

First, the colloquialism you meant to use is "welsh on," not "squelch on." I suppose they don't teach that sort of thing in your Remedial English class.

 

Second, you are apparently too ignorant to know that personal bankruptcy does not necessarily mean that one's creditors go unpaid. In many cases the result of a personal petition is that creditors are compelled to work out an extended payment plan with the debtor such that most and sometimes all of the debts are eventually paid in full.

 

There is certainly nothing about personal bankruptcy that FORCES the debtor to let any of his debts go completely unpaid -- it simply gives him the leverage he needs to get creditors to accept a longer payout, if he so desires. So it's hard for me to accept the argument that someone can be too "honorable" to pursue a perfectly legal method of dealing with debts he cannot pay on time but be willing to become a prostitute instead. It would be a strange sense of honor that would make a man prefer a life of crime and deceit to being honest with his creditors about his inability to pay them in a timely manner.

 

>I know it's hard for someone like you to understand that -

>which is why you so glibly offer bankruptcy as a way out of

>fulfilling obligations -- but some people take their

>commitments more seriously than you do, thank God.

 

It is hard for someone like me to understand the thinking of a person who takes seriously his commitments to his credit card companies, but not to the laws of his community. That would be a strange sense of honor indeed. Even someone like you, who is stupid enough to applaud the useless and unnecessary killing of Saddam's sons, should be able to figure that out.