Barebacking

[Guest ncm2169]

FYI, in case anyone's interested:

 

< Aaron's Bareback Orgy is Aaron's first no-condom video. The movie opens with a 70+ minute orgy betwewen Aaron and five of his friends. Everyone gets it on in a video that focuses heavily on footage of fucking. Fans of big-dicked sex will love the second sene on the video, in which Seth penetrates and fucks Peter. Peter is an experienced bottom but nothing he has done prepared him for the feeling of being split into two by Seth's big dick. The entire movie contains lots of bareback fucking (naturally!), felching, and both external and internal cum shots >

 

One of the "friends" is escort Randy Ray in San Diego.

 

Have a nice day. :o

[Doug69]

>FYI, in case anyone's interested:

>

>< Aaron's Bareback Orgy is Aaron's first no-condom video.

 

You're more obssessed with Aaron Lawrence that John Hinkley was with Jodie Foster. Why not just admit that you have a closet at home that you pray in with candles and pictures of Aaron and his cock covering the walls? He's just your type, too - all smooth and thin and twink-ish, and - best of all - he looks real, real young.

 

>The entire movie contains lots of

>bareback fucking (naturally!), felching, and both external and

>internal cum shots

 

How many times did you cum watching this scene?

 

Do you realize that you probably do more than any other person to sell Aaron's barebacking videos?

 

>One of the "friends" is escort Randy Ray in San Diego.

 

Thanks for the uncovering this fiend. How selfless of you - spending hours on the Internet searching around trying to find every new bareback video, uncover every escort who barebacks. How chafed is your cock from playing with it while you do this?

[Guest ncm2169]

It's always fun to see how well some rats are trained. :+

 

ROFL!!

[+ Axiom2001]

I've purchased some of Aaron's vids in the past (although I am not too really interested in twinks), and I was bothered by seeing Aaron take a lot of cum in his mouth from one of the other participants; it reminded me of Mark from SF who was featured in a vid where he consumed the cum of about five men while participating in a circle jerk. I sent both men emails where I addressed my concern. Both responded, I'd presume. honestly and non-sarcastically.

 

Now we hear about Aaron and barebacking. If taking cum up the ass or in the mouth and fucking without a condom are not condoned or encouraged by health officials and agencies and others who're trying to EDUCATE to prevent the spreading of HIV/AIDS why do we have people encouraging others to buy videos which promote bb or the other issue which I addressed here?

 

Guys, I am far from being paranoid, but do you think that participating in safer sex practices IS THE ONLY WAY?

[guptasa1]

I have mixed feelings about something like this. Barebacking is ABSOLUTELY risky and dangerous (drinking cum isn't as risky, but the risk is still there...though from what I've read from recent studies it's really quite small).

 

That said, if all the bois involved were SURE of their status and that they had NO STD's, I don't see a problem with it. I sincerely DOUBT this is the case (HIV can't be detected for up to several months without quite expensive tests to find the virus instead of the antibodies).

 

I'd be lying if I said I didn't find barebacking hot (especially watching it). I also, however, think it's incredibly stupid unless you're in a completely monogomous relationship and know the status of you and your partner (or, if in a group of several "friends", they know their status for sure and only have sex with each other).

[Guest ncm2169]

< why do we have people encouraging others to buy videos which promote bb >

 

Axiom, I'm certainly not trying to encourage anyone to buy this trash. x(

 

I'm just letting viewers here know what true trash porn producers are up to. :o In case you missed it, there are a few recent threads where I made the same point. You can either search for them, or wait until the lunatic fringe shows up posting in this thread. x(

[Flower]

ummm...well unfortunately, whatever your motive, I suspect you made these particular folks a lot more money--sort of like when the RR pickets a movie :+

[jack]

Cobra's A Boy's Raw Urges, shows stunning twinks barebacking and slupring up cum between their thin lips off slippery shiny cockheads.

Euro Vids Czech Mates, shows tall heavy hung bubble butt nineteen year olds patiently sucking thier friends to finally cum all around and on their faces before they suddenly make the cockhead disappear into their mouths, swallowing, sucking, licking, and swallowing some more.

In Boytrololis A, a Man's Best, the cutes twink you've ever seen sucks onto his buddies cummmmmming cockhead while cum drips down the side of his cheek. If Aaron's guys don't hunker for cum like the other kids, its not realy barebacking. Or, do those people have standards. Or does ture love, loyalty, and romance have standards. Without second thought, sucking spent cock right away is sucklacious and uniquely sensual. :9

[Doug69]

>ummm...well unfortunately,

>whatever your motive, I suspect you made these particular

>folks a lot more money--sort of like when the RR pickets a

>movie

 

Yes, exactly, Flower! (did I just say that?). Aaron should pay NCM a Barebacking Commission, if he doesn't already. You can't buy better advertising than NCM gives to Aaron's cum-taking flicks.

 

NCM's conduct is similar to the Religious Right's protests not only in terms of how great they are for sales, but also in terms of that very fine line between love and hate, like a Conservative Southern Evangelist preaching against pornography to his congregation (just replace "barebacking vidoes" with "pornographic films" and you have NCM):

 

"I watched a bunch of pornagraphic films this weekend - just to see what was in them so I can report to you, of course - and they were HOT - uh, I mean DISGUSTING!! In one scene, this woman who had huge breasts got her twat licked out by this guy while another beautiful girl rubbed her ass for the camera - <building to breathless climax> - and then this one lovely girl with red lipstick began to perform fellatio while this sooting sexy music played . . . . [recovering] IT WAS SICK!!!"

 

That's NCM for you.

 

Hey Flower - I don't know what you did during your 6-week absence, but whatever it is, you should do it more often. Ever since you've been back, your posts have been coherent and you've not been preachy or anything. What did you do with the real Flower? Have you abducted him?

[+ Axiom2001]

...perhaps I misread your thread; if I did-- I apologize. You know my stand on this based on what I wrote. Submitted in the most postive mode! AXiom

[+ Axiom2001]

>...perhaps I misread your thread; if I did-- I apologize.

>You know my stand on this based on what I wrote. Submitted in

>the most postive mode! AXiom

 

 

The above is in reference to ncm's response to me!!

[Guest ncm2169]

No problem, Axiom. I knew what you meant. We agree entirely, like most of the posters/lurkers here. :o

 

But, as you can see, there is a lunatic fringe on this issue as well. I've learned to ignore the lowlifes, but I confess I do enjoy tweaking them every so often, just to see their knees jerk. }(

[Doug69]

>No problem, Axiom. I knew what you meant. We agree entirely,

>like most of the posters/lurkers here.

 

How stupid to think that you know this. Did you conduct a poll? There's a reason that so many companies make bareback videos. Want to guess why that is? Because so many people want them and buy them.

 

So, although you apparently need to think that "most of the" people agree with you in order to feel that your position is meritorious

(which is, independently, quite pathetic), the market proves how wrong you are.

 

So keep talking about - and selling - Aaron Lawrence's videos.

[Guest ncm2169]

Get my point about the lunatics here, Axiom? :o

 

Must be a full moon. Hooboy, where's the giant cross? }(

 

Maybe, with just a bit of luck...we could zap this loser before dawn. }(

[VaHawk]

>Get my point about the lunatics here, Axiom? :o

 

No comment, just LMAO! (where the hell is axe, when you need him?)

 

>

>Must be a full moon. Hooboy, where's the giant cross? }(

 

Giant cross? What does that mean? Excuse my ignorance, but I just don't get the reference.

 

>

>Maybe, with just a bit of luck...we could zap this loser

>before dawn. }(

 

"zap this loser"? If you are referring to Doug69, then imo, you are way off base as I find him to be a real winner. I don't particulary agree with all his political views, but I do like his posts and observations, caustic and otherwise, and I love his style! I surely hope you aren't advocating the exile of those posters who you disagree with or who you find personally offensive as that offense is just that "personal" and not the consensus of this board (at least, I don't remember voting).

 

IMO, he also makes a very valid point, in that most posters here really don't think about Aaron Lawrence's barebacking videos, until you yourself bring it up. As such, every time you post about that topic, you do indeed drum up interest from other posters/lurkers to check it out, and then some of them proceed to purchase which thusly makes you an unwitting marketing force for that which you vehemently protest. Not my personal viewpoint, but as such, some could indeed question the purposes of your protestations about barebacking videos and why such protestations only mention the videos by Aaron Lawrence as there are many studios producing these videos but yet you only protest/mention those by Aaron Lawrence.

[Flower]

>IMO, he also makes a very valid point, in that most posters

>here really don't think about Aaron Lawrence's barebacking

>videos, until you yourself bring it up. As such, every time

>you post about that topic, you do indeed drum up interest from

>other posters/lurkers to check it out, and then some of them

>proceed to purchase which thusly makes you an unwitting

>marketing force for that which you vehemently protest.

 

But just as interesting, is the fact that in order to see these vids, NCM either buys them or does a pay4view -- either way he is CONTRIBUTING to the enterprise against which he is ostensibly campaigning--some might think this hypocritical, but as Doug points out, NCM is doing this at great personal sacrifice and reporting back so that the rest of us don't have to be subjected to such sensory insult! :+

[Huey]

I like the new color Flower you wear it well . You also bring up a excellent point about NCM's contribution. I had the same thought when I first read this post ... though couldn't put it as coherently as you have :7

[Doug69]

>IMO, he also makes a very valid point, in that most posters

>here really don't think about Aaron Lawrence's barebacking

>videos, until you yourself bring it up. As such, every time

>you post about that topic, you do indeed drum up interest from

>other posters/lurkers to check it out, and then some of them

>proceed to purchase which thusly makes you an unwitting

>marketing force for that which you vehemently protest.

 

So funny - look at the number of views that this thread, arousingly entitled "Barebacking" by NCM, has generated. It has about 920 views for 16 posts - more than virtually every other thread here by a factor of 5.

 

Gee, I wonder why that is - do you think it's because so many guys are so eager to read NCM's sermons against barebacking videos, or do you think it might be because so many guys here, the "posters/lurkers," get turned by bareback videos and want to read about them and get as much information as possible about them?

 

I told NCM how stupid he was being for asserting that "most of the lurkers/posters" here agree with him on how awful bareback videos are because he has no idea what they think and hadn't taken a poll. In reality, there IS a poll - the bulging number of views for this "BAREBACKING" thread - which quite clearly shows just how interested in, and aroused by, bareback videos the "lurkers/posters" are here.

 

I wonder how much money Aaron has made as a result of NCM's latest obsessive posts here.

[Guest ncm2169]

< NCM either buys them or does a pay4view -- either way he is CONTRIBUTING to the enterprise against which he is ostensibly campaigning >

 

Guess again, Flower. I have never viewed one of Aaron's vids, either free or paying. The excerpt I quoted is all over the net -- one need not spend a penny to read it. :o

 

As for other porn producers who portray barebacking, I quite agree that Aaron's not alone -- I said that in my very first post on this subject months ago. In fact, I specifically mentioned Cobra.

 

I'm not going into a rehash of this again. It's simply my view that portraying barebacking is more than irresponsible -- it's reprehensible. Others disagree, and that's their right. I don't respect their views, but I'll always respect their right to hold them.

 

And, yes, I'm not so stupid that I fail to realize that every time I bring this subject up, I'm probably steering business to Aaron. My objective is just the opposite, of course. I can only hope that more people will be sickened by barebacking portrayal and its public health consequences.

 

Finally, I thought it was useful to mention the escort who's reviewed here who appears in this video. It took no research on my part -- Aaron identifies the escort in his promo.

[TotallyOz]

Well, I will admit that I have visited Aaron's site more since reading this thread than I have in the past year. I was impressed with many things about his site and the way he has organized things and transitioned his move from escorting to porn. It appears that he is a successful businessman.

 

One way to gage this is to go to http://www.alexa.com and download the toolbar for your IE browser. Aaron's site is in the top 60,000 most viewed websites in the world. Pretty good numbers.

 

Hoo's site is in the top 15,000. Much better numbers and very impresive.

 

However, go to manhunt.net and see where there numbers are and some of the other sex sites. Sex sells. Controversy only helps most of the sites become more popular.

 

I know this does not relate to your specific thread. But, I guess I pointed it out because since the post, I have visited Aaron's site several times to see what was there and it just brought the issue up to me again. I will admit that I do not have any of Aaron's videos. But, I do have several of the Cobra Videos and have enjoyed them.

 

My favorite videos of all time were the Stryker videos and the All World videos. Of couse, the Lukas videos are at the top of the list.

[guptasa1]

Just FYI, I was curious with this discussion whether they did take at least some precautions, and I found this quote in the news section of Aaron's website relating directly to the barebacking video:

 

"PS, Lest you think I was completely irresponsible, all actors were tested for HIV prior for the filming."

 

It doesn't say what type of test or if they checked for any other STD's, etc., but it looks like they at least took some responsible precautions.

 

I also am of the opinion that more people probably will see the video because of this thread. I know for one, I would never have (or at least not right now) checked out Aaron's videos had it not been for this thread, and I'd be lying if I wasn't curious at this point to see what Aaron's videos are like.

 

I also think you can't conclude that since one is willing to watch bareback videos, that same person thinks barebacking in genereal is okay.

 

I do understand your protest of bareback videos and why you think it's spreading a dangerous message, but I also think they can occasionally be done responsibly, and that people should be aware enough to realize while barebacking can occasionally be done safely with plenty of testing and precautions, in general it's not a good idea.

 

Just my two cents.

[woodlawn]

>barebacking can

>occasionally be done safely with plenty of testing and

>precautions,

 

 

Would you please explain that? Is there a blood test that can be done prior to filming that will show that the people who participate are incapable of infecting anyone with HIV at the time of filming? If not, please explain how "testing and precautions" can make this safe.

[Doug69]

>Would you please explain that? Is there a blood test that can

>be done prior to filming that will show that the people who

>participate are incapable of infecting anyone with HIV at the

>time of filming? If not, please explain how "testing and

>precautions" can make this safe.

 

If both of them are HIV positive, then there's no risk that they will seroconvert, since they are already HIV-positive.

 

Additionally, if the two of them are lovers and confident in each other's monogomy - as many lovers who bareback with one another are - then that's an addition way to greatly reduce risk.

 

With regard to all testing and and all types of sex, the issue of risk-free sex is irrelevant. If someone waits for the elimination of risk in sex or anything else, they will live life, or not live life, they way you do - under the bad, scared of moving, doing nothing, seeing everything as one big "DANGER" sign.

 

No anal sex is risk-free, including non-barebacking sex. Condoms break and/or leak. The question is not risk-elimination; it's risk-reduction. And having recent tests that show the pesron is HIV-negative, while not risk-free, certainly reduces the risk greatly - perhaps to the point, or lower, of the risk of having "safe" sex with someone whose test results you haven't seen.

[Guest ncm2169]

< "PS, Lest you think I was completely irresponsible, all actors were tested for HIV prior for the filming." >

 

Is that the same thing as saying that the actors were tested for HIV and were under constant surveillance to insure they had no sex from the moment the test was done until they appeared in the barebacking scene(s)?

 

Think about it. There is a difference. I don't know the answer, but my guess is that there is a time gap between testing and shooting the scene. If I'm wrong, I'll happily admit it.

[guptasa1]

>>barebacking can

>>occasionally be done safely with plenty of testing and

>>precautions,

>

>

>Would you please explain that? Is there a blood test that can

>be done prior to filming that will show that the people who

>participate are incapable of infecting anyone with HIV at the

>time of filming? If not, please explain how "testing and

>precautions" can make this safe.

 

I'm no expert, but I have researched HIV testing a bit before simply because I wanted to find out more about it, when you should test, how you should test, etc. Since I'm not a doctor, I'm not going to say I'm certain about what I say below, but I'm pretty sure it's accurate.

 

MOST of the HIV tests you hear about, such as one called ELISA, don't test for the virus - they test for the antibodies the body makes in response to HIV (during seroconversion I believe). Because these tests search for the antibodies, it can take a while to get a positive result even if you are in fact positive. From what I've read, the FDA gives it as long as 6 months to be conclusive, but I've also read many experts consider 13 weeks to be conclusive (this is from a message board...http://www.aidsmeds.com I believe...good resource for those wanting to learn more about HIV and testing).

 

That said, yes, there ARE tests that test for the virus itself, but they're much more expensive to do. I believe one of these is called a PCR DNA test, and there may be others. I'm pretty sure these tests aren't covered by insurance, and I'm not even sure if they're even FDA approved yet, but from what I understand, they're quite accurate and can give you a conclusive result much faster since they test for the virus directly.

 

That said, I wasn't in anyway saying what Aaron said made it completely safe. I was just pointing out that he made a point to say SOME sort of testing was done. Who knows what that was? At any rate, even if it was an antibodies test, that's much SAFER than no test at all, even if it's not completely safe.

 

Please don't assume that I'm saying "take a test and barebacking's okay." But I am saying it's a lot better than no test at all, and I'm also saying since he didn't specify what kind of testing it was, it could be anything.

 

I *do* believe even barebacking can be done responsibly (between exclusive lovers or people VERY well-tested). However, I don't think it *IS* done responsibly much of the time, and I think doing it irresponsibly is rather dangerous.