Is escorting an art?

[Guest mondo]

nope he is still a guy who is selling his body for cash. it doesn't take any art at all to be an escort. just the right attitude and looks. art for art sake money for god's sake.

[Rick Munroe]

It's not an art, but you do need skills, both physical and social. We are called upon to perform many duties and play many roles on demand, yet we're still expected to always be ourselves and be "real" and make sure both we and our clients have a good time. It's not an easy thing to do, which is why so many burn out and retire. So...yes, we perform a service and (hopefully) enjoy ourselves & get off at the same time. But art? I don't know. I wouldn't mind studying some of Talvin's pics in an Art History course. :9

[VaHawk]

>If an escort does a really good job sculpting his body,

>painting an image, creating a character and acting the part so

>well you believe...is he an artist?

 

Since when do all escorts sculpt their bodies? Are you referring to a role playing scene? No, then what character is being created and acted so well that we supposedly "believe" to be what???

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Art Is Anything I Say It Is

 

Creative expression can be art. Not everything presented as artistic expression is either creative, original or truly expressive.

 

So, the answer is "no," "yes," and "maybe."

[VaHawk]

RE: Art Is Anything I Say It Is

 

>So, the answer is "no," "yes," and "maybe."

 

If obfuscation is an art form, then you are definitely Picasso!

[jimbeaux]

Even a lot of "art" isn't art. While performing a service can be done artfully, escorting isn't any more art than a plumber unclogging a drain or a tree surgeon pruning an elm.

[Paul Revere]

>Even a lot of "art" isn't art. While performing a service can

>be done artfully, escorting isn't any more art than a plumber

>unclogging a drain or a tree surgeon pruning an elm.

 

Well, if you hold a position like this, I fear that you have not had very good escorts.

 

If for you an escort is simply performing a physical function, and the encounter is about a particular sex act, then yes, an escort is like a plumber. These escorts might be called by other names, such as hooker, hustler, prostitute.

 

However, if an escort provides a service that goes far beond a simple physical act, then many of the best escorts that I have been with can indeed be considered artists. The really good ones are performance artists and are very skilled and talented.

 

A sexual plumber can be picked up the street corner (and yes, some escorts on this site qualify as sexual plumbers), but many of the best escorts are true artists. It is why they are in demand, and why they can charge more than even a plumber.

 

I am not naive about escorts, and sometimes the encounter is a simple sex act, but other times the encounter is a multi-leveled interaction, and it certainly be considered artistic.

[jimbeaux]

Of course, you're correct. I have a boyfriend and didn't realize hiring escorts was a requirement before joining in the "fun" here. However, I've never painted a portrait either, but feel capable of considering Rembrandt an artist. I do and did say, however, that I think an escort can perform artfully. In my opinion, that doesn't make it art.

[VaHawk]

>Well, if you hold a position like this, I fear that you have

>not had very good escorts.

 

Well, that would put him in the majority wouldn't it?

>

>If for you an escort is simply performing a physical function,

>and the encounter is about a particular sex act, then yes, an

>escort is like a plumber. These escorts might be called by

>other names, such as hooker, hustler, prostitute.

 

Since most of the escorts reviewed on this site engage in hourly encounters, and a lot of clients hire only for 1 or 2 hour sessions, then can I assume that you are stating that such clients are johns and such escorts are hookers, hustlers and prostitutes?

>

>However, if an escort provides a service that goes far beond a

>simple physical act, then many of the best escorts that I have

>been with can indeed be considered artists. The really good

>ones are performance artists and are very skilled and

>talented.

 

And what color are the emperor's new clothes?

>

>A sexual plumber can be picked up the street corner (and yes,

>some escorts on this site qualify as sexual plumbers), but

>many of the best escorts are true artists. It is why they are

>in demand, and why they can charge more than even a plumber.

 

Gee, tell us all where these magical street corners are. I believe they have for the most part disappeared! Of course they are artists, because people like you consider them works of art worthy of worship, and pay accordingly. I'm anxiously awaiting the opening of the Museum of Modern Escorts on the mall in DC.

 

>

>I am not naive about escorts, and sometimes the encounter is a

>simple sex act, but other times the encounter is a

>multi-leveled interaction, and it certainly be considered

>artistic.

 

Well you may not be naive, but you certainly come across as a judgemental effite snob. Because you hire by the overnight/weekend/longer period to converse with an escort and go to dinner/shows/vacations, you are somehow special because you pay thousands of dollars for that experience and those that you hire for that are artists, whereas those who hire by the hour are low-life johns and those they hire are common whores. A picture in a gilt frame with a high price is a work of art, whereas the same picture in a cheap wood frame at a lower price is trash, right?

[foxy]

If an escort does a really good job sculpting his body, painting an image, creating a character and acting the part so well you believe...is he an artist?

[foxy]

If an escort does a really good job sculpting his body, painting an image, creating a character and acting the part so well you believe...is he an artist?

[Doug69]

Well you may not be naive, but you certainly come across as a

>judgemental effite snob. Because you hire by the

>overnight/weekend/longer period to converse with an escort and

>go to dinner/shows/vacations, you are somehow special because

>you pay thousands of dollars for that experience and those

>that you hire for that are artists, whereas those who hire by

>the hour are low-life johns and those they hire are common

>whores.

 

I think you summed up the bizarre attitude of a good portion of this forum -- clients and escorts alike -- with this description. In order to avoid thinking of escorts as prostitutes and clients as johns, not only are euphamisms mandatory (i.e., "escorts" and "clients" instead of prostitutes/whores and johns), but escorts and their worshippers here go even further and create this elaborate, pretensious, snooty hierarchy where the favored "escorts" here who sell hourly access to their holes for $200 or $250 (or daily access for $1,500) are somehow fundamentally different than (and superior to) those trashy, low-life prostitutes who arrange their meetings in bars or on the street and sell access to their hole for $50 or so less.

 

In this view, the escorts who sell hourly access to their holes for $50 more are not just more expensive prostitutes; somehow, they are not prostitutes at all, but something much more elevated, dignified and noble.

 

This absurd need to cleanse and justify the transactions which are discussed here has now truly reached the apex of ridiculousness (one would think and hope), as we are now discussing whether or not certain prostitutes should not only be referred to as "escorts," but as artists!

 

And there are actually people taking this idea seriously and even advocating it, and even the ones who think that "artist" might be a bit much are doing so apologetically, making clear that they think it's a legitimate question and a close call.

 

Whenever I think I've seen it all in this forum, it never ceases to surprise me. Are prostitutes artists? Well, only the high-falutin', really clean ones who come here - y'know, the ones who are somehow different (and so, so much better) than the dirty prostitutes who work in bars and on street corners.

 

I mean, the prostitutes here arrange their meetings by e-mail - and will even go to dinner with you before letting you fuck their face for a few $20 bills! They are not prostitutes - they are not even just escorts now - but Artists!!! Let's discuss next whether they deserve knighthood or sainthood.

 

I'm going to print this thread out and show it to others who wouldn't believe it if I told them about it. I can hardly believe it myself, and I've seen it!

[Candyman]

Anyone doing his job to perfection can be an artist just as there are hacks in any profession. Thankfully this site lets us know how is bad and good and who is an artist. We are lucky enough to even have some of the artist be posters here. I don't think anyone who has meet Rick or Devon (unfortunatly not me) would not agee that they make your time with them pure pleaure and that is a true art form. So the answer to your question is YES

[Bilbo]

I certainly agree with Candyman's first sentence. I'm a bit surprised that no-one has come to the defense of tree pruners yet. Theirs is certainly an art. As is nursing, as is .... etc., etc.

 

And so many of us seem to think that only good art is art. There's good art and there's bad art. They're both art. It's just that we want to spend more time with the good art and less time with the bad art.

 

As one of the few escorts who has come out in this space as also being an artist in the pursuits which all would seem to agree are arts (my theater, Devon's paintings, etc.), I can assure you that a well done escort encounter, no matter where you find him, is good art. A badly done one is bad art. All in all, yes, it's an art.

[Traveler North]

I have an escort whom I see regularly. He has really become a friend and advisor. His advice on physical fitness has led me to loose 30 lbs and go on to weight exercises which have strengthened my upper body. His advice on nutrition have brought my blood pressure and cholestrol back to normal. Since I am prone to periods of anxiety, I call him when this happens and he calms me down. So he is also sort of my psychologist as well. He is a person who makes you feel great when you are with him. He really cares about people. On the whole, there is much to his make-up that really makes him an artist as well as a personal trainer.. It it not just the physical realationship tho that is certainly great as well. Time with him is very special to me. :D

[dannynyc]

I'm not sure if I'd call escorting an art - that's not to say it is or isn't. But, I definately think some of the responses on this string need a response.

 

I have hired a number of escorts, protitutes, guys who sell their bodies, etc over a period of many years. I have developed my own definitions for the "practitioners" in this area -

 

Escorts - guys who exhanges money for sex and provides a sexual and personal experience for the client. Guys who I consider in this category treat their escort service as a profession. They treat their clients with respect and expect their clients to treat them with respect.

 

Hustlers - guys who charge for a sexual experience, are more interested in the amount of money they can get, sometimes rip off their customers (i.e., johns).

 

Personally, I think it is very difficult to be a good escort, and, a good escort has a number of unique abilities. A good escort needs to be able to sexually perform with anyone who shows up at his door, or, vice versa. I know this is something I'm not able to do. A good escort also needs to be able to respond to the client's needs and desired at a given time. From a personal perspective, there are times I want to be with someone to both have sex and cuddle; other times I'm a real pig and only want nonstop sex. The good escorts I know can handle either situation, although I do tell them about my mood when setting an appointment.

 

On top of all the other factors, there is an issue of personal chemistry. This is a major unknown in any escort situation until the two people meet.

 

I'll be the first to admit there are a number of less than quality escorts available. I've gotten to the point that I usually only hire an escort if the guy has good reviews on this site or if I've received a personal recommendation.

 

As I mentioned earlier, I have no opinion whether or not escorting is an art, but, I strongly believe being a professional escort is not easy and not something just anyone can do.

[jimbeaux]

Yikes! Remind me to keep my opinions to myself in the future. I assumed this place was to have fun, but fun seems to be the last thing on the minds of many people here.

[Guest 10cc]

>

>I think you summed up the bizarre attitude of a good portion

>of this forum -- clients and escorts alike -- with this

>description. In order to avoid thinking of escorts as

>prostitutes and clients as johns, not only are euphamisms

>mandatory (i.e., "escorts" and "clients" instead of

>prostitutes/whores and johns), but escorts and their

>worshippers here go even further and create this elaborate,

>pretensious, snooty hierarchy where the favored "escorts" here

>who sell hourly access to their holes for $200 or $250 (or

>daily access for $1,500) are somehow fundamentally different

>than (and superior to) those trashy, low-life prostitutes who

>arrange their meetings in bars or on the street and sell

>access to their hole for $50 or so less.

>

I agree with you on this one. But I don't find anything wrong using the words escort and client as long as one remembers that we are prostitutes and johns. It's the people who place too much importance on the terms that concern me the most.

[Paul Revere]

>

>Well you may not be naive, but you certainly come across as a

>judgemental effite snob. Because you hire by the

>overnight/weekend/longer period to converse with an escort and

>go to dinner/shows/vacations, you are somehow special because

>you pay thousands of dollars for that experience and those

>that you hire for that are artists, whereas those who hire by

>the hour are low-life johns and those they hire are common

>whores. A picture in a gilt frame with a high price is a work

>of art, whereas the same picture in a cheap wood frame at a

>lower price is trash, right?

>

>

Well, VA, I may come across as a judgemental effite snob, and I may be in some areas, but you come across as one who is more judgemental, and also one who jumps to conclusions based on no facts. You assume that I am extremely wealthy, and that I spend thousands of dollars and hire for dinner, theatre and companionship. None of that is true. I have spent a couple of overnights with escorts, and I have spent time with them at "off-the-clock" dinners, but I don't use escorts as a substitute for friends - I don't need to. I have plenty of friends to have dinner with, travel with, and got to the theatre with. The escorts are mostly for sex and intimacy. I certainly have never spent thousands on any single session. I pay, and tip well, but I am just a regular working person who sees the escorting as part of my recreational and entertainment budget.

 

After posting this morning, I re-thought my answer about escorts as artists. I guess almost any craftsman can lift his craft to an art.

 

So I guess some escorts are simply hustlers, some are plumbers, some are skilled craftsmen, and some are artists. I prefer the skilled craftsmen and artists when I can find them.

 

I'm sorry for those, like VA, who have never seemed to run into one of the artists. I find that treating escorts as humans rather than as meat makes a big difference. If you treat an escort badly, then the interaction will probably be bad. (Treating them well doesn't gaurantee a great experience, but increases the odds.)

[Guest jeffOH]

Well, foxy, I'd have to answer your question by saying, yes, escorting can be an art. But, not all escorts/prostitutes are "artists" and not all clients are looking for an "artistic sexual experience". Some clients are just looking for a cock to suck and access to a "hole". Fortunately, many of my clients are looking for more of an experience than this. I can do the "cock and hole" thing, but it's not what I enjoy the most.

 

It's quite obvious that some posters have, shall we say, rather "unique" attitudes about escorting/prostitution, despite how much time they spend posting on a site dedicated to reviewing escorts/prostitutes, but that really says something about their mindset and has little to do with me or most of the escorts I know. Technically, yes, I'm a prostitute, hooker, whatever, but there are differences in the services provided, physical fitness, education and hygiene which doesn't necessarily mean that street hookers or escorts are any better or worse than the other.

 

I've always approached sex on both a physical and spiritual level. Sharing that experience with my clients or "johns" has been rewarding to me in more than just a financial way.

 

JEFF

jeff4men@hotmail.com

[Traveler North]

I view the kind of guys I choose to see in the French tradition of courtesans - sex, companionhip, conversation etc. Only it involves men with broad background with whom can develop emtional tie and can trust.

[Doug69]

>It's quite obvious that some posters have, shall we say,

>rather "unique" attitudes about escorting/prostitution,

>despite how much time they spend posting on a site dedicated

>to reviewing escorts/prostitutes, but that really says

>something about their mindset and has little to do with me or

>most of the escorts I know.

 

Ironically, I think the posters (both escorts and clients) who have derogatory views of prostitution are exactly the ones who have to pretend that it's something it's not - they're the ones who insist that prostitutes are French courtesans, or spiritual healers, or psychologists, or pretend-lovers, or saints - or artists!.

 

The only possible reason why such individuals would be so eager to dress up what this is really about; to use euphamisms for it; to look down on "street hustlers" as though they do something so awful and different; to pretend that hiring a prostitute is some sort of noble, Victorian, aristocratic pursuit of the Highest Good; is precisely because such individuals are ashamed of what prosititution really is - they think that it's bad and shameful and dirty - and therefore they have to desperately strive to dress it up and indulge delusions about what it is in order to alleviate their shame.

 

By joyful contrast, the posters who see prostitution for what it is are the ones who actually like it, and thus have no need to pretend it's something else. I'm glad that there are lots of prostitutes (including ones in this forum) who sell their hole for money. I think that's a good thing. I see nothing wrong with it at all, and so I don't have the need to pretend that what they are really doing is artistically creating Hole Sculptures and ejaculating in order to ascend to some ethereal or spiritual plane. Since I see nothing wrong with the transaction, I have no reason to pretend it's something else.

 

I hope that some day all prostitutes and johns will stop feeling ashamed about what they are doing so that they can stop entertaining delusions about it and stop wasting so much energy pretending that this is about enlightenment and spiritual and psychological fulfillment - and I particularly hope that johns will stop seeking emotional and psychological satisfaction from prostitutes. The ones who get harmed by prostitution transactions are usually the ones who pursue that delusion and then find out - once the prostitute leaves with their money - that it wasn't about anything other than using the prostitute's holes to get off.

 

There's nothing wrong with that, so why all the hand-ringing?

[Guest jeffOH]

>Ironically, I think the posters (both escorts and clients) who

>have derogatory views of prostitution are exactly the ones who

>have to pretend that it's something it's not - they're the

>ones who insist that prostitutes are French courtesans, or

>spiritual healers, or psychologists, or pretend-lovers, or

>saints - or artists!.

 

Some prostitutes are JUST holes for hire. Some of us are often times more than that. Just because it hasn't been your experience, doesn't mean it's not true. Why or how should it EVER impact upon your escort experience anyway?? I've worked as an escort for over 12 years and I've often felt like I was a spiritual healer, psychologist, pretend-lover or artist (note: I don't believe in saints).

 

Escorting, for the most part, has been for me a truly spiritual experience. Sex can be a window to spirituality. Some people view escorts as JUST someone with whom to have sex. Others may enjoy themselves on not ONLY the physical level, but also on an emotional and spiritual level. Just because it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean it's not true for others. You may think that we're all deluding ourselves somehow to disguise feelings of guilt, perhaps some people are. I'm certainly not deluding myself or anyone else in my life for that matter. I'm PROUD of being an escort/prostitute who sells his hole AND, upon occasion, provides some spiritual healing, psychological help, fantasy fulfillment ALL in an "artistic" way. I've gone on TV to discuss being an escort/prostitute, been featured in an newspaper article about escorting and show my face in my pics. I've NEVER thought for one second that there was a thing wrong with working as a prostitute.

 

>I hope that some day all prostitutes and johns will stop

>feeling ashamed about what they are doing so that they can

>stop entertaining delusions about it and stop wasting so much

>energy pretending that this is about enlightenment and

>spiritual and psychological fulfillment.

 

Once again, why do you care? How does it impact your own experiences with escorts? How can you possibly know that all prostitutes and johns feel ashamed about what they are doing, entertain delusions about it, and waste any energy pretending that this is about enlightenment and spiritual and psychological fulfillment? Have you personally interviewed "all escorts and johns"? Really, your "opinion" is based upon your own experience. My opinion though, is based upon 12 years of one-on-one, face-to-face experience with hundreds of clients and many other escorts.

 

>There's nothing wrong with that, so why all the hand-ringing?

 

Seems like you're the one who doing all the "hand-ringing" with all your concern (albeit, insincere) about how others experience sex with escorts.

 

JEFF

jeff4men@hotmail.com

[Rick Munroe]

>I hope that some day all prostitutes and johns will stop

>feeling ashamed about what they are doing so that they can

>stop entertaining delusions about it and stop wasting so much

>energy pretending that this is about enlightenment and

>spiritual and psychological fulfillment -

 

I have no delusions that I am a spiritual healer or a trained therapist but there have been clients for whom I have provided, perhaps unwittingly, those very services. Yeah, most of the time it's nothing more than a "good time" that anybody wants, and it's simple and fun and easy. But some guys look to us for more, and I don't see anything wrong with or delusional about it. For example, I have one regular client who was seriously suicidal when I met him a few years ago; I was the first and only person to whom he had come out. As he recently told me, it was through my constant support, nagging, compassion, and overall "getting in his face" that he's now in therapy and working to change his situation. When he hires me, it is physical, but it's also spiritual. So put that in your gloryhole and suck it.

[foxy]

My Random House Dictionary defines art as

 

the quality, production, or expression, according to aestetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.

 

I'm sure there are other and better definitions around. Still I think it paints a pretty broad picture. I suppose it all depends on how narrow or wide you want your own definition of the word to be.