Another HIV + escort...

[+ honcho]

Wow, I suspect this is going to produce yet another firestorm.

 

Upfront, let me say:

1.) I am HIV Neg.

2.) I am not an escort

3.) I never fuck anybody bareback. Now that being said:

 

>Hello, Since this keeps happening to escorts I know, and

>since they keep on escorting, I felt I had to say something

>about it on this site...

 

>Yet another escort my age, who is beautiful and a very sweet

>person..has descended into barebacking, the HIV world, and

>crystal meth addiction...

 

>He is the 5th escort I know of personally in the last year who

>continues to escort and is HIV + ...

 

So long as an escort is up front about his HIV status, what is the objection to staying in the biz?

 

Is it only a tragedy when somebody sero-converts if they are your age, and beautifuL?

 

>I'm very healthy and require my clients to respect my limits in terms of STD safety. We have a great time and I remain STD-free!

 

Without meaning to be insulting, your clients should practice risk reduction methods regardless of what you tell them about your HIV status. People can seroconvert and not find out for a while. But I am glad that you insist on it *for your own good*!

 

>Yes, Virginia, you can have fun and live a long life!

 

The longevity of HIV+ folks is ever-increasing, but I certainly don't intend to join their

ranks. Nonethless, the comment you made could be offensive to some people.

 

>It's sad, I think behavior such as his only comes from self-hatred...Is it his fault?

 

And which behavior are we talking about?

a.) The mere fact of becoming HIV+?

b.) continuing to escort after becoming HIV+?

c.) The implied-by-your-posting non-safer-sex practices that led to seroconversion?

d.) using crystal meth?

 

I have a friend who escorts, is HIV+, is upfront about it, and who acquired the virus when he was a teenager from transfusions while recovering from a near-fatal accident..

Is this, in of itself, an example of self-loathing? I think not.

 

>No, it's the fault of homophobes, mostly the Christian types who want to put bigotry in our Constitution. Blood is on their hands.

 

I would agree with blood being on the hands of the overly zealous Xians, but for different reasons.

[flguy]

How many HIV positive escorts do you think there are?? And how many of them are up front about their status?? Very Very few I would imagine.

[HooBoy]

Please watch out to not make this thread political or religious.

 

And has been said a zillion times here by me and others:

 

ALWAYS assume anyone you have sex with is HIV+, not matter what they say. ALWAYS.

 

Barebacking is the norm in London., that's why I prefer Palmela and I'll let the guys at my parties do what they want, but I do not participate in dangerous activities, other than flying on planes or taking trains in Spain.

 

 

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The above written the owner of a website and still is filled with BS.)

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--garbo the hoo

[Guest HOTnySTUDRYAN]

Hi,

 

I appreciate your post. I won't get into back and forths on this list, no time for that. But I will respond to a couple things you wrote, for the purposes of clarifying my poorly written initial post. I was upset when I wrote it and therefore wrote it quickly. I should have deliberated on the issue more.

 

You wrote: So long as an escort is up front about his HIV status, what is the objection to staying in the biz?

 

I respond: None of the escorts I know who are HIV + are UPFRONT about it, they LIE about it. That's the WHOLE POINT OF MY POST!!!!!!!

 

You wrote: Is it only a tragedy when somebody sero-converts if they are your age, and beautifuL?

 

I respond: I actually meant beautiful on the inside even more than on the outside when I wrote that. But of course the physical beauty of a person should have no bearing on the tragedy of their demise regarding HIV. That was poorly written on my part. But yes we live in a cruel world, don't we?

 

You wrote:The longevity of HIV+ folks is ever-increasing, but I certainly don't intend to join their

ranks. Nonethless, the comment you made could be offensive to some people.

 

I respond: I think every comment that is meaningful in this world is offensive to some people. I think we live in a society where we are too politically correct and it squelches free exchanges of ideas.

 

 

You wrote: And which behavior are we talking about?

a.) The mere fact of becoming HIV+?

b.) continuing to escort after becoming HIV+?

c.) The implied-by-your-posting non-safer-sex practices that led to seroconversion?

d.) using crystal meth?

 

 

I respond: a) no b) no c) YES d) YES - He also fists, gets talked to during sex in an extremely degrading way (this is being ABUSED during sex), and has overdosed on various other drugs probably 5 times over the last 3 years. My conclusion? He wants to die. He is a very well-known escort who charges MORE THAN ME EVEN at $300 an hour. He is VERY popular.

 

You wrote: I have a friend who escorts, is HIV+, is upfront about it, and who acquired the virus when he was a teenager from transfusions while recovering from a near-fatal accident..

Is this, in of itself, an example of self-loathing? I think not.

 

I respond: I AGREE.

 

Final point: This person doesn't fit that profile of your friend at all. He was taught to hate himself by the right-wing world...He has internalized the homophobia and I believe wants to die as a result of it...His actions prove my theory. And he will no doubt die rather soon as he continues all the immune destroying practices you can think of, and which typically characterize boys who engage in the "fast track lifestyle."

 

I care about him and wish he wouldn't kill himself like this...But he chooses his path every single day.

 

I choose life! I choose health!

 

- RYAN

[flguy]

Of course I would assume EVERYONE is HIV positive and would NEVER play anything but safe. What I was trying to convey is exactly what Ryan is saying, most escorts are not truthful about their status, if in fact they are positive. I would guess the vast majority would deny their positive status.

[+ Lucky]

This strikes me as another example of an escort, here so-called hotstud ryan, who wants to let everybody know what a good boy he is at the expense of someone else. Post like his nauseate me.

[Guest Tomcal_]

>This strikes me as another example of an escort, here

>so-called hotstud ryan, who wants to let everybody know what a

>good boy he is at the expense of someone else. Post like his

>nauseate me.

Lucky, I wholeheartedly agree with you!! There was no point to this post except to promote himself. Hooboy should make him pay the going advertising rate or delete, smacks of self promotion!!

[HooBoy]

Dear Allan,

 

So if you assume everyone is HIV positive and your practice safe sex, then why are you coming here to diss whichever that escort was?

 

Is this some sort of vendetta?

 

Look, if an escort says or advertises that he is Negative, so what?

 

I do not believe him.

 

Maybe I'm on the wrong course here, but I am trying to look at it from his point of view:

 

1. He is HIV Negative and will only practice safe sex.

 

2. He is positive, but advertises negative and confines you to bare back and and you do, who is the bigger fool?

 

EVERYONE IS POSITIVE AS FAR AS I CAM CONCERNED.

 

What they advertise is just like reading an ad in the newspaper. Do you believe everything you read?

 

Play safe, Alan, and unless you and your b/f are virgins or are tested and you don't cheat or lie on each other....WOW - what a great scenario.

 

Then, I could give Palmela a rest.

 

I have had so many friends die at such a young age, I do not even enjoy sex anymore...and isn't it ironic I run this website

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The above written as a regular guy, not the owner of a website and has no official meaning, just unofficial BS.)

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--garbo the hoo

[Guest WestTxGuy]

Hey Mr First timer: don't come on here and start slinging mud. I WANT escorts to post here because we learn from them.

 

Certainly some may cross into some self promotion, but if they add something it certainly is better than reading something from someone like you.

 

"Bitter, party of one, your table is waiting."

 

CYA

[Guest LG320126]

To submit a review, you click on SUBMIT A REVIEW at the top of the website.

[HooBoy]

To answer your two questions:

 

1. Palmela is my best friend, my hand...get it PALMela. He/She/It knows how to make me happy...and I never worry about HIV.

 

2. My doctor said when you become my age you lose something, but I can't remember what it is. So maybe there was only one question because I cannot remember anything else. If I back up to read your post again, I will lose this. Then, I will forget what I wrote in Number one...and god forbid I would criticize this websites software.

 

<insert audience going "ooh, pause, then laughing here.")

 

But I find it amazing how few guys know how to jack off. Maybe I should post this is in Fetish Forum.

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The above written as a regular guy, not the owner of a website and has no official meaning, just unofficial BS.)

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--garbo the hoo

[Skyyguy]

To submit a review, please click on SUBMIT A REVIEW at the top of the website.

[LovesYng]

I edited out the "quote" from the previous post is all.

This may be bitchy, but so am I...garbo.

 

Well you got to admit that's one way of staying safe (HIV-) let him talk for most of the appointment Now I wonder why most of his clients prefer to just talk, must be something wrong x(

 

When in doubt I whip it out!!!!!

[Guest HOTnySTUDRYAN]

Hi,

 

I will simply say this, and then I will not post again on this board. That was clearly a mistake.

 

All my CONFIRMED reviews are positive. It's easy to come on a message board and spew assertions anonymously about other people. But it isn't right.

 

While not every client in the past 2 years I've seen has treated me well, because my screening isn't perfect, 99% of the experiences have been wonderful. Even if I never met a NEW client again, which frankly I don't often do, I'd be getting repeat calls for the next ten years. : )

 

I feel privileged to have met many of the clients I have met, some VERY VERY cool people who have taught me a lot -- made some real friends. Judging from my call-back rate, I would say there are a few clients who feel the same way about me.

 

I have a great time when my clients have a great time!!! And my great clients make sure I have a great time, too. There are plenty of self-respecting people out there who treat escorts wonderfully, or I wouldn't be doing this. Here's to them.

 

I have NO PROBLEM saying to clients over the phone that they don't have to pay me if I'm not what I say I am...no problem. : )

 

I won't respond to pretend personal attacks on this list if more come. There is a controlled review process for good reason.

 

- RYAN

[DelawareGuy]

Even if I never met a NEW client again, which frankly I don't often do,

 

If he doesn't often meet new clients, he sure spends a lot of time in the NYC Companions room with an away message that says "I'm available NOW" (his caps).

[HooBoy]

He did not mention anyone's name. I do not think he did anything wrong with bringing the issue up.

 

I am sorry you are nauseated. Perhaps some Pepto Bismol will help. I have been taking it every day since leaving Thailand.

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The above written as a regular guy, not the owner of a website and has no official meaning, just unofficial BS.)

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--garbo the hoo

[Skyyguy]

My comments were edited. I need to submit a review. Interesting how some escorts are defended by Garbo.

[Boston Guy]

>This strikes me as another example of an escort, here

>so-called hotstud ryan, who wants to let everybody know what a

>good boy he is at the expense of someone else. Post like his

>nauseate me.

 

Lucky:

 

The hostility in your post surprised me when I first read it, shortly after you posted it. It seemed to me that what you said was completely unfair and way out of line. Thinking it through, I started to get angry because it seemed to be just another in a long line of unnecessarily-hostile posts that have been aimed at escorts who post here by non-escorts.

 

I decided to give myself time to think it through a bit more before responding. Two days later, I feel the same way.

 

Ryan was trying to do a good deed here and warn people about HIV in the escort population. As a young, popular escort, he brings a valuable perspective, even more so because of his interaction with other escorts. It was good and responsible of him to take the time to share his thoughts and what he has seen.

 

I do not believe that one can reasonably construe what he had to say as a message trying "to let everybody know what a good boy he is at the expense of someone else." Yes, he did mention that he is HIV- and insists on safe-sex practices. So what? In the context of his overall message, it was a reasonable thing to do.

 

Over the years, many an escort has started posting here only to be shot down -- often viciously -- by gratuitous attacks. As a result, virtually all of them have ceased to post here; if I were an escort, it's exactly the tack I would take, too. But the result of that is that we who visit M4M are the poorer, since we do not benefit from the escort perspective -- precisely the kind of information that Ryan was presenting here.

 

I believe that your post was off-base, unwarranted, unkind, uncalled-for and in error. Further, I believe you owe Ryan an apology.

 

BG

[Boston Guy]

It is my experience that many escorts in NYC and Los Angeles leave AOL signed on all of the time and keep a presence in the chat rooms for their city. It's marketing, pure and simple. It's also easy, cheap and, if I can trust what guys have told me, quite effective.

 

However, regardless of what a particular escort's profile will say, you cannot assume that somepne is available just because you see him online. As I said above, many guys have the same message posted 24-7.

 

BG

[+ Lucky]

For starters, ryan states that the escort has "descended" into the "world" of barebacking, HIV, and crystal meth, as though they were all the same, and as though they are of equal "descent." He shows not a drop of compassion for his "friend."

People do not "descend" into a "world" of HIV and you should know that. Since he doesn't name the escort so that we can all avoid him, just what is the purpose of his post other than to let us know how good he is for not "descending"?

Given many of his other posts here he strikes me as a selfish and immature man. If we are to encourage escorts to post, which I have often done, shouldn't they at least be expected to stand by what they say or take the heat when they are wrong?

Just as many do attack escorts for posting as you state, there are others who will tolerate any sort of babble especially if they think the escort is "hot." I am not saying that applies to you, BG, but I do wonder what brings you to the point where I am expected in your mind to apologize to a person with so little compassion and so little understanding of the "world" of HIV.

[+ Lucky]

For starters, ryan states that the escort has "descended" into the "world" of barebacking, HIV, and crystal meth, as though they were all the same, and as though they are of equal "descent." He shows not a drop of compassion for his "friend."

People do not "descend" into a "world" of HIV and you should know that. Since he doesn't name the escort so that we can all avoid him, just what is the purpose of his post other than to let us know how good he is for not "descending"?

Given many of his other posts here he strikes me as a selfish and immature man. If we are to encourage escorts to post, which I have often done, shouldn't they at least be expected to stand by what they say or take the heat when they are wrong?

Just as many do attack escorts for posting as you state, there are others who will tolerate any sort of babble especially if they think the escort is "hot." I am not saying that applies to you, BG, but I do wonder what brings you to the point where I am expected in your mind to apologize to a person with so little compassion and so little understanding of the "world" of HIV.

[Guest ortrud45]

Hi Boston Guy:

 

I have to disagree: I don't see any reason why Lucky should forward an apology to the escort-poster Hot.... who started this thread.

 

His post did not have any new value whatsoever: the question of HIV+ and barebacking was discussed many times on the message-center, even once before by the same escort.

 

As the escort-poster did not reveal the name of the "guilty" fellow-

escort, I cannot see what you, BG, can positively see and learn from

his posting.

 

I had very similar feelings like Lucky when I spotted Hot...'s post. Selfpromoting, look what I great guy I am and so on and not showing any compassion at all for his fellow-escort.

 

BG, if you follow and observe this escort's ads in the Travel Section

you will notice that whenever his ad moves down a bit, he comes up with a tad of info so his ad moves up again. There is just an example to see right now in the Travel Section.

And if I remember correctly he did this before for a planned trip to the West Coast, where he responded 6 or 7 times to his own ad.

 

All his behaviour and his not so splendid record about talking much

during the time spent with a client and not delivering the goods makes me strongly believe that he badly needs self-promoting to survive as an escort!

I for my part would never consider to hire him, but that's of course my personal choice.

 

Have a pleasant day

ortrud45

[Guest ortrud45]

Hi Boston Guy:

 

I have to disagree: I don't see any reason why Lucky should forward an apology to the escort-poster Hot.... who started this thread.

 

His post did not have any new value whatsoever: the question of HIV+ and barebacking was discussed many times on the message-center, even once before by the same escort.

 

As the escort-poster did not reveal the name of the "guilty" fellow-

escort, I cannot see what you, BG, can positively see and learn from

his posting.

 

I had very similar feelings like Lucky when I spotted Hot...'s post. Selfpromoting, look what I great guy I am and so on and not showing any compassion at all for his fellow-escort.

 

BG, if you follow and observe this escort's ads in the Travel Section

you will notice that whenever his ad moves down a bit, he comes up with a tad of info so his ad moves up again. There is just an example to see right now in the Travel Section.

And if I remember correctly he did this before for a planned trip to the West Coast, where he responded 6 or 7 times to his own ad.

 

All his behaviour and his not so splendid record about talking much

during the time spent with a client and not delivering the goods makes me strongly believe that he badly needs self-promoting to survive as an escort!

I for my part would never consider to hire him, but that's of course my personal choice.

 

Have a pleasant day

ortrud45

[Guest Utopia]

Another escort taking advnatage of this Message Center

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"You realize that life goes fast

It's hard to make the good things last"

[Guest HOTnySTUDRYAN]

RE: RYAN answers: Another HIV + escort...

 

Hello,

 

It's too bad that rather than discussing the issue, the conversation is about me as a person from certain people. Yes, indeed, I have no plans to post on this site again -- except my travel plans.

 

But since I believe people don't take posts seriously from certain poster veterans, I figured I'd offer a little bit of a response to the speculation about my initial post -- that post, I remind you, was about HIV, health issues, escorting and homophobia.

 

If I fail to respond to any personal attacks which follow this post, it is because I absolutely will not engage in a tit-for-tat back and forth with anyone attacking me. I recognize that no matter what I say, these individuals fundamentally dislike escorts...and probably themselves... and will be unmoved by anything I or anyone else writes.

 

I had no thought whatsoever about promoting myself when I posted my message about escorts and HIV. Period. It's actually quite an amusing suggestion to me given that I spend hundreds of dollars on prime-time ads and always have way more offers than I accept.

 

The fact is that I wrote my post when I was pretty darn emotional having just finished a conversation with my newly HIV + friend where I tried every tactic I could think of to try and get him to rethink his choices: doing hard drugs, taking the toxic AIDS meds, getting pissed on and fisted. It disturbs me greatly. Period. He's truly killing himself, I believe, and nothing makes me more sad and depressed to think about. He is a very sweet person...beautiful in fact... and if he weren't programmed by this world to kill himself, he could be a real gift to the planet.

 

As to one person's observation that I bump my ADVERTISING post up when it descends to the bottom on the ADVERTISING section of this web-site...I have a Master's degree of the Obvious I'd like to offer you -- and a free drink at a bar of your choosing. Yes, indeed, I bump my post up to ADVERTISE better in the ADVERTISING section of the TRAVEL section on this site. I pay hundreds of dollars a month to advertise on meetlocalmen.com and this site, and there is nothing wrong with letting people know about my travel plans in an effective way.

 

Why do I bump my post up? Read on, it's not as superficial and money driven as the bitter/cynical posters need to believe. One reason is because I notice more people read the post when it's near the top -- I watch the counter. AND the more offers I get, the more I can choose carefully who I see, so that both me AND the client is GUARANTEED a good time -- and we're definitely a match. I do not see many clients, and the more offers I get, the more I can guarantee we'll both have MAJOR FUN. I think this is a good approach and policy. And it is why 99% of my client experiences are wonderful! It isn't actually about the money for me. I'm not the type to do anything for money. It's actually about genuinely being respected and genuinely respecting my clients. When that happens, we have a BLAST, in MANY WAYS. That is my goal.

 

A final note: Most of you reading this are very cool, self-respecting, decent, classy, cool, FUN people. I know this, and the fact that a few Veterans on this list attack me with their generic attacks doesn't change my understanding that most people who hire escorts are in the A++ cool category. It's why I'm still around. : ) And I appreciate and am moved by the many cool emails I've gotten over the past few days -- a LOT in fact...I even got a few very cool phone calls. Thanks. It really DOES mean a lot.

 

Thanks for reading! And here's to posters who write with respect and civil tones! I'll buy you a drink any day. Regards, RYAN :9