Internet Pharmacies

[phage]

Has anyone got any personal experience using one of internet pharmacies like DiscountRX? I don’t know if they are legitimate because I don’t understand why you don’t need a prescription.

 

I need some sleeping pills for their legitimate purpose of treating occasional insomnia. Unfortunately, my HMO is not cooperating and actually told me to take an over-the-counter antihistamine because it would make be drowsy. I don’t want drowsy…I want to be knocked out.

 

This DiscountRX has generic Ambien, but that is such a new drug that it doesn’t seem like there could be legitimate, legal generics yet.

 

Anyone know anything about this? Any information would be appreciated.

[Doug69]

>Anyone know anything about this? Any information would be

>appreciated.

 

A topic near and dear to my heart . . .

 

These sites are legitimate and they work. There is no reason any more to go to offline doctors and have to beg and plead for their permission to get whatever pharmaceutical products you want. Using these onlnie services, you can - as every adult should - decide for yourself what products you want without anyone else's permission.

 

I am VERY AGAINST the prescription drug laws - why should an adult need some other adults' permission before taking pills they want to take? So I LOVE the proliferation of online pharmacies - they emancipate everyone from outrageous indignity of having to get doctors' permission to do what you want.

 

The concept behind them is that you DO get a perscription. When you go to buy a product, you take an "online medical exam" - you answer some basic yes/no questions about your physical attribtues and physical health history and why you want the product (the answers to give are obvious - just as they are when asked by an offline doctor), and then a physician reviews the questionnaire and then "prescribes" the product. It then discretely arrives at your home 7-20 days later in whatever quantity you order it.

 

Almost always, the phsyician is in another country (such as Costa Rica or Germany) because the FDA - desperate to keep control over the medical lives of adult citizens - has made online examinations and prescriptions illegal. There has been some talk by some people of the FDA trying to go after buyers of these products as opposed to just sellers - but to my knowledge, it's never happened, and I would, for multiple reasons, highly doubt the legality of any such efforts.

 

From what I've heard, almost every online store that you find on the first 2-3 pages of Google by doing searches for the product you want (i.e., AMBIEN) are legitimate - especially the ones that advertise on the side. That's because they will make way more money establishing themselves as a reliable supplier of these products than they will engaging in one-time scams.

 

Here are two that I know are reliable and that carry the products you seem to like:

 

http://www.pharmaenergy.com

http://www.xanaxsale.com

 

Happy pill popping!

[phage]

Thank you very much for the information. I agree with you 100% and am getting very tired of trying to convince my doctor that I need something to get to sleep occasionally. I wish there was some way for me to call his ass in the middle of the night when I’m laying there tossing and turning. Maybe he’d be a wee bit more sympathetic!

[+ Hoover42]

Phage,

 

I sympathize with you, but I hope you're not taking Doug69's "advice" seriously.

 

It is an obvious attempt to bait you into doing something imprudent.

 

...Hoover

[Doug69]

>I sympathize with you, but I hope you're not taking Doug69's

>"advice" seriously.

>

>It is an obvious attempt to bait you into doing something

>imprudent.

 

Yeah - you've uncovered my secret plot to trick Phage into swallowing poison or going to prison. You're a real genius. I should have realized I would never have gotten away with this trick with HOOVER around. After all, you chose that name because of your FBI-level investigative prowess, as evidenced by your immediate uncovering of my scheme! And to you, you not only believe that it's all a secret trick by me - but an "obvious" attempt to trick Phage! LOL!!

 

Millions of Americans are patronizing these services in order to emancipate themselves from the oppressive and baseless prescription drug laws. Google and Yahoo are making huge amounts of money selling advertising space to these companies.

 

But HOOVER is here to say that you should crawl to your doctor and beg for permission to take the drugs you want because empowering yourself to get them on your own is "imprudent."

[eastbayguy]

>Millions of Americans are patronizing these services in order

>to emancipate themselves from the oppressive and baseless

>prescription drug laws. Google and Yahoo are making huge

>amounts of money selling advertising space to these companies.

 

Some of the rest of us drive to near the border, walk to Mexico, and get whatever the hell we want. There are those who might pick something up for a trusted friend while there.

 

--EBG

[BuckyXTC]

Great Caesar's Ghost!

 

I can hardly believe that I'm largely in agreement with Doug on this one. Sadly, too many doctors do act like they know everything, and it is a royal pain to have to see them, and pay their office visit fee just to get a prescription written or renewed.

 

I see one possible problem with the online pharmacy business. Because their main goal is to sell these medications, I do worry that some folks might purchase drugs that interact negatively with each other. For the pharmaceutically ignorant, there seems to be some potential for disaster. Of course, you could also say that the same potential for disaster exists for those who buy and consume alcohol in excess.

[giovoni]

Phage,

 

It's true that Ambien hasn't lost its patent yet and it’s probably too soon for it to be generic. Though, I'm not sure this would hold true in other countries? Perhaps generic Ambien could legally be sold in other places that put fewer restrictions on how long a drug company can hold a monopoly on a chemical?

 

Anyway as long as what you're buying is "zolpidem" you'll be getting generic Ambien. Doug is right that you'll be getting a new prescription from a doctor in whatever country you'll get the drug from. Usually the fee for the new Rx is built in somehow or they charge an ‘online consultation’ fee. For that reason I wonder if it wouldn’t be cheaper for you to just get an Rx from your regular Dr and go pay cash for Ambien at your local pharmacy. You'd get it faster and it may actually be less in the long run depending on how the other issues I mentioned above play out. If you in fact have a Dr who refuses to give you a trail of Ambien on a Rx just because your HMO won't pay for it, you really should look at getting a new Dr. Who pays for drugs is completely different from you actually needing a Rx. If you want the Rx and understand that you may be paying for it yourself at the pharmacy then a Dr refusing to grant you a Rx that you need is stupid and in my opinion VERY bad medicine.

 

I may also add that Doug's rant against the FDA and its 'oppressive' drug prescription laws and his leap to recommending that everyone get anything they want whenever they want it is EXTEREMELY dangerous. I'm actually surprised at his 'conspiracy' type tone concerning the FDA, doesn't sound like him usually.

 

One example to illustrate this: In the 1950's when Thalidomide was widely being used in the rest of the world for various conditions including helping hang-overs and insomnia. One doctor in particular kept it off just long enough to let the rest of the world figure out the catastrophe that it was causing for babies being born to mother's who took the drug. (I believe her name was Frances Kelsey, M.D) In actuality, if Europe and other areas had been less akin to Doug's "I want whatever drugs I want whenever I want them" stance the drug could have been tested and found to be dangerous to unborn babies (a group that in other situations Doug seems to care a bit more about.) Instead it was yanked off the market and quickly forgotten about and because of it's disastrous consequences was relegated to history for nearly 3 decades before it was realized that it could help many people with a host of different diseases (including multiple myeloma, AIDS, leprosy and others) some with precious few other treatments even today. Had the widespread panic and hatred of thalidomide been avoided with more FDA like "oppression" this drug may have come to help millions more people a great deal sooner than it was able to otherwise.

 

I also wonder how long an adult without MANY years of training could last self prescribing HAART for AIDS or how long someone’s kidneys would last if they got the wrong combination (and there are MANY) to self treat hypertension.

 

Anyway the bottom line for me would be that if you do decide to go through an online pharmacy at least talk to your Dr about what interactions or side effects you may have to look out for. I believe that, so far, Ambien has proven to have very little interactions with other drugs and has seemed to have only rare and mild side effects which is certainly good news for those wanting to try it.

[Doug69]

>I also wonder how long an adult without MANY years of training

>could last self prescribing HAART for AIDS or how long

>someone’s kidneys would last if they got the wrong combination

>(and there are MANY) to self treat hypertension.

 

I think your response obscures the point somewhat. The issue isn't whether doctors will exist in order to be CONSULTED about the recommended usage and dosage for drugs, or whether the FDA can still exist to issue reports about drug safety. The issue is: who should be the DECISION-MAKER about what drugs go into the bodies of adults: the adult him/herself, the doctor or the Government? To me, the issue is clear: absent direct harm to someone else, an adult has the right to ingest whatever substances they want, period, and shouldn't need the permission of a doctor to do that.

 

I see the issue as entirely akin to a lawyer-client relationship. Any individual who tries to navigate the legal system on their own, without the assistance and advice of a lawyer, is probably ill-advised to do so. BUT - even when you retain a lawyer to counsel and advise you - the choice about what to do with regard to your legal interests is ALWAYS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE, and you are free to disregard to the lawyer's advice. You are also free - indeed, constitutionally entitled -- to do the whole thing without a lawyer, as ill-advised as that may be. This is true even when - ESPECIALLY WHEN - there is a huge amount at stake, such as your life or liberty.

 

That is exactly how pharmaceutical products should be. You are probably well-advised to consult a doctor before using such a product. All of the harms you cite would be alleviated by doing so.

 

But why should you HAVE to consult a doctor and get his permission before using a product which you, as an adult, want to use? And if a doctor thinks you shouldn't use a particular pill but you think you should, why should HIS view outweigh your own when it comes to your own life and your own body? Isn't one of the defining characteristics of being an adult having the right to decide for yourself what you do, as long as what you do doesn't directly harm someone else? Why would you want to cede your autonomy to a doctor with regard to your own body? If a doctor thinks I should have a certain procedure done, and I disagree, the choice is mine whether or not to have it. Why should pills be any different?

 

Speaking of abortion-related ironies, aren't types like you always yammering on about how a person must have full autonomy over their own body and is legally entitled to do whatever they want with it (even if it means snuffing out the life of their baby)? How do you reconcile this belief in great bodliy autonomy with your view that you don't have the right to ingest a pill into your body unless and until, first, the Government, and then, your Daddy-Doctor, says you are allowed to?

 

In our society, the fact that something CAN be abused by some people is not a sufficient reason to deny the right to use them for all people. Your example of alcohol illustrates this principle perfectly. Even doctor-approved prescription drugs can and are absued by some people. People have the right to do foolish and reckless things if they want - that's why sky-diving is legal (right, Woodlawn?). So the fact that some adults may use their right to get prescription drugs recklessly or foolishly is not a sufficient reason to take this right away from all adults.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Generic

 

>It's true that Ambien hasn't lost its patent yet and it’s

>probably too soon for it to be generic. Though, I'm not sure

>this would hold true in other countries? Perhaps generic

>Ambien could legally be sold in other places that put fewer

>restrictions on how long a drug company can hold a monopoly on

>a chemical?

 

As another recent post on Viagra commented and as the daily news has reported recently, some countries, particularly India, China and others, either have rejected or denied patent protection (which is what China recently did), or have received permission from their goverment patent office to produce generic versions of certain drugs, in certain case this includes anti-retroviral for HIV.

 

There is nothing to say that there is anything wrong with these "generics." However, there is also nothing to say that the medication you will receive actually contains what you are being prescribed, requesting or require, and in the amount of medication required. I personally would be very comfortable with medications from say Canada. I would be more reluctant to get something from certain other countries, simply on a quality control basis.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

The are a number of national and on line pharmacies based in the U.S. Like Amazon, they do not keep inventory on hand and are often able to provide very good, highly competitive prices. Price Club/Costco and Sam Clubs are often the only physical pharmacy you can go to to get comparable prices.

 

That said, this is not the same thing as getting a prescription for something. In that case, you are dealing with an internet service that likely is not regulated. If you are comfortable taking a recommendation from Doug or anyone else on this or any other site, you can at least have the expectation that you are not simply allowing someone to charge your credit card or cash a check without sending you anything in return, which has and does happen, not only for order drugs on line, but for ordering other things.

 

Personally, unless your health plan severely restricts your ability to change providers, I would look for a new doctor.

[Paul Revere]

I disagree completely with the points made on this thread.

 

I am dismayed that in America we seem to need a pill for everything. A pill to sleep, a pill to wake up, a pill to make us happy, a pill to calm us down, a pill to create a hard-on. (Mother's little helpers).

 

We have become a helpless pill-popping society, and now to make it worse, we insist on the right to self-prescribe and self-medicate based on the advertising of the drug companies. This has really gotten out of hand. The de-regulation of the drug industry and allowing them to do "pull" marketing is one of the worst things that has happened in our country. It has increased the cost of all drugs and all medical care, and it mistakenly lets regular folks think that they can self medicate based on TV ads with flowers and meadows and puppy dogs. It makes me barf.

 

I am not at all discounting the value of medication and treatment for many real meidical problems. There are many mirculous treatments for many serious problems.

 

However IMHO, Phage should figure out why he can't sleep and deal with that, rather than trying to medicate his way out of his problems. Maybe he uses too much caffiene, maybe there are effects of other medications, maybe he isn't dealing with issues in his life. I wonder why his physician is reluctant to prescribe the sleep aid that he seeks. Maybe the physician is seeing the bigger pictures.

 

For me anyway, the less medication the better. It is better to get healthy, than to mask symptoms with meidcations, which can add side effects.

 

Online pharmacies are an obvious scam, but as P.T. Barnum said; "There's a sucker born every minute." H.L. Menken expressed the same idea when he said, "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

 

This discussion has given me a headache. I'll go for a walk and clear my head.

[giovoni]

>That is exactly how pharmaceutical products should be. You

>are probably well-advised to consult a doctor before using

>such a product. All of the harms you cite would be alleviated

>by doing so.

>

>But why should you HAVE to consult a doctor and get his

>permission before using a product which you, as an adult, want

>to use? And if a doctor thinks you shouldn't use a particular

>pill but you think you should, why should HIS view outweigh

>your own when it comes to your own life and your own body?

>Isn't one of the defining characteristics of being an adult

>having the right to decide for yourself what you do, as long

>as what you do doesn't directly harm someone else? Why would

>you want to cede your autonomy to a doctor with regard to your

>own body?

 

The reason you would/should want to, and one of the reasons society at large has decided that you need to is that, autonomy being important, which we would both agree is, there is a finite amount of resources to deal with people who "exercise their autonomy." In Denver, at least, there are not enough resources to deal with the amount of overdoses, adverse reactions, and unintended side effects that would have to be taken care of in an already overstrained health care system. I'm certain that there is a similar situation in every other city most of which I'm told have public health systems that are much less funded than that of Denver.

 

 

The same "autonomy" nonsense is trotted about by those who wish to legalize illicit drugs claiming that direct harm to others is the only yardstick by which to measure the need for a law. To them, taking up hospital beds with countless people coming down from various drugs, using tax dollars to pay for recreation that gets out of hand and having workers have to pick up the slack for lost hours at offices, factories, and everywhere else is little need for keeping drugs illegal. You only need look at the two (nicotine, EtOH) legal recreational drugs and their costs to society to know that this would be the case.

 

>Speaking of abortion-related ironies, aren't types like you

>always yammering on about how a person must have full autonomy

>over their own body and is legally entitled to do whatever

>they want with it (even if it means snuffing out the life of

>their baby)? How do you reconcile this belief in great bodliy

>autonomy with your view that you don't have the right to

>ingest a pill into your body unless and until, first, the

>Government, and then, your Daddy-Doctor, says you are allowed

>to?

 

I've never made that arguement, ever. I have criticized you for floating ideas that made it seem that you supported treating mothers that go through an abortion as murderers. I actually find abortion VERY troubling, and though I know I would be lynched for suggesting this, I'm sure many more women would find ways to avoid abortion or insist on safer sex or birth control if it was mandated that a hysterectomy be included with EVERY abortion. A woman gets her choice in reproduction and society doesn't have to deal with the very complex and troubling matter of continuing to kill babies that may begin in her tummy if she (which is often the case) continues to be irresponsible sexually. Additionally republicans and other social conservatives would have less unwanted babies forced onto society which they have continually proven they have no wish to help through any type of gov't assistance.

 

 

"Deserve Victory"

[OneFinger]

No experience with internet pharmacies but I've had problems with sleeping. One MD suggested the over-the-counter nose drugs and they worked for a while. But, when I switched to an OD (Doctor of Osteopathy) he suggested Melatonin.

 

This a available from Wal-Mart to Kmart to the local grocery store. I take 3 mg at night and am asleep within 30 minutes. No morning hangover and I wake up feeling refreshed.

 

I found that it takes a couple of days to get into your system and for the body to react. But, now that my body has adjusted, it works like a charm for me.

[Chuck50]

I have had great luck with these and for what you are looking for Ambien. It rea is easy and they deliver quickly and you know what it may be a little expensive but I can sleep with that no pun intended. HUGS Chuck

[Guest showme43]

can't sleep? then find a hot boy to occupy the night with ;-)

[Rick Munroe]

Forget ambien. I had a cup of warm milk the other night and passed out. Mama was right after all...

[londonbear]

>I need some sleeping pills for their legitimate purpose of

>treating occasional insomnia. Unfortunately, my HMO is not

>cooperating and actually told me to take an over-the-counter

>antihistamine because it would make be drowsy. I don’t want

>drowsy…I want to be knocked out.

 

 

I am not sure if your reaction to the suggestion is just a fit of pique because the doctor would not prscrible something he felt was inappropriate in your case. You may have felt that his suggestion of an anti-histamine was a joke but in the UK the older generic anti-histamines are marketed as over-the-counter sleeping products. One brand name is "Nytol". Their big advantage is their lack of side-effects the following morning and their gentle, non-addictive action. Have you actually tried them? The post suggests not.

 

Remember with the stronger chemical drugs you will be unfit to drive the next morning; even if you have had a good night's sleep, your reactions will be slowed. While you would likely not be legally prevented as it is rarely considered by legislatures, you will be far more likely to have an accident.

 

I would strongly suggest to you that NO drug will allow you to sleep if you lie in bed thinking "I am not getting off to sleep with this" You may also want to keep a note of the circumstances in which you get these bouts and address any pattern that comes out of it. There are also natural alternatives that you can explore. As well as the warm milky drink, you could also have camomile tea or a lettuce sandwich. All of these are natural somnicants. Have a bath rather than shower before bed and exercise in the evening will help. If you cannot get to sleep, just getting up and having a good jerk-off will distract you and help you sleep.

[Rick Munroe]

>If

>you cannot get to sleep, just getting up and having a good

>jerk-off will distract you and help you sleep.

 

Having a cocksucker in your bed would be even better! :9

[scott90746]

http://www.drugbuyers.com/freeboard/ubbthreads.php/Cat/0

 

This is a great resource for you.

 

There are plenty of online Docs in the US who legally prescribe pain, sleeping, etc. meds.

 

Go to that site, you'll find what you're looking for !

 

Happy Hunting

 

Scott

[phage]

Thanks to everyone who provided information and opinions – both pro or con. I used one of the links that Doug provided and filled out a questionnaire that asked the same kinds of questions my doctor asked. Basic health information, other medications being taken and symptoms.

 

This time no one substituted their judgment for mine. In a few hours I was notified that the requested medication had been prescribed and was on its way. It arrived in the mail the other day with no fuss and no muss.

 

I didn’t need to persuade anyone. I didn’t need to withhold information or lie. I just paid the money and got on with my life. Considering what it would have cost in time and money to go outside my HMO and “doctor shop” until I found a cooperative MD, I think it was a bargain.