Ben N. From A Different View

[FourAces]

Guys I'm out of "My Last Poker Hand" funk and probably out of my mind for starting this thread. But I believe that most people are good at heart and will respect (even if they disagree) with my feelings.

 

To start here are the basics:

 

I have never met or spoken with Ben N. I sent Ben two emails this year. One was to invite him to have dinner with me and a mutual friend. That friend is a poster here in the MC. The late notice didn't work well with Ben's schedule. The other email was a brief cyber hug in support of the pain he felt when his Mother was injured.

 

Most likely I would never hire Ben. He is very attractive and has exeptional reviews (two of several important elements when I decide to hire) but his fee is way out of my reach .

 

Ok disclaimers are finished.

 

Why are so many here so envious of Ben? I believe clients are envious of Ben becsaue he represents the youth that was missed when client X was young.

 

Here are my feelings. As clients many tend to have low self esteem. Not all but I feel many clients generally don''t feel good about themselves. When client X reads about Ben's adventures or notices all the friends and support Ben has the jealousy kicks in.

 

So why bash the kid? Becasue if you cut someone down to the level you're feeling it makes you more an equal.

 

Face it, Ben took the art of being a hooker to the next level. Ben's impact on escorting is little difference than Tiger Woods impact on golf or Babe Ruth's impact on baseball or Johnny Carson's impact on Late Night television. These men have a lot in common and the main thread is the deisre to go above and beyond, to create Raving Fans (read the book). And for that we penalize him?

 

Do I feel Ben is a little too into himself. Sure I do, but is that I bad thing not at all. In fact at his age it is a little funny and a little charming. If he were my age it would be a little distrbing Most successful artists, politicians, musicians, poets are over the top on the cutting edge of their fields.

 

This post isn't to ask anyone to "cut Ben some slack. All I'm asking is you re-evaluate why you dislike him so much. Honestly what has he done that you really dislike? Becasue he can afford to fly business class, travel the world, doesn't have to work a 8-5 job, he young and goodlooking, he figured out a hard way to make an easy living, he enjoys life too much .... why? After truly looking inside and you still feel he is such a terrible person then swing away.

 

Peace!

RT

[Juan Vancouver]

Hey Four Aces!

 

Glad to read that you are out of your sad mood, man.

 

Receive a tight hug!

[ErikMcAlister]

>Why are so many here so envious of Ben? I believe clients are

>envious of Ben becsaue he represents the youth that was missed

>when client X was young.

 

You shouldn't assume it is about envy.

Disliking someone who self-righteously claims that HIS method is the only correct, valuable, or worthwhile method of doing something has nothing to do with being envious of him, but, perhaps, rather feeling sorry for his stunted development.

 

 

>Here are my feelings. As clients many tend to have low self

>esteem. Not all but I feel many clients generally don''t feel

>good about themselves. When client X reads about Ben's

>adventures or notices all the friends and support Ben has the

>jealousy kicks in.

 

That does nothing to explain the several escorts who refuse to worship at the altar of Ben. I wish Ben many, many happy adventures. His adventures have nothing to do with it. His cultivation of a personality cult has EVERYTHING to do with it.

 

>So why bash the kid?

 

Refusing to worship isn't bashing & neither is pointing out inconsistency or the ridiculous.

 

>Face it, Ben took the art of being a hooker to the next level.

 

That's an opinion. One of many, I'd guess.

 

>Ben's impact on escorting is little difference than Tiger

>Woods impact on golf or Babe Ruth's impact on baseball or

>Johnny Carson's impact on Late Night television.

 

That is perhaps the most delusional statement I have ever read. Are you HIGH? Why not go ahead & call him the Moses of our day?

 

>And

>for that we penalize him?

 

How exactly has he been penalized? He's still going on "adventures" isn't he? He's still making a living. Criticizing isn't penalizing. It is a bit disturbing that you are so sycophantically enraptured that anything that isn't patent apotheosis becomes bashing or penalizing.

 

>Do I feel Ben is a little too into himself.

 

The titanic was a small boat. It was a little windy the day Dorothy left Kansas. It can get a bit chilly in Antarctica.

 

>Sure I do, but is

>that I bad thing not at all.

 

You're certainly entitled to that opinion. The rest of us reserve the right to disagree.

 

>In fact at his age it is a little

>funny and a little charming.

 

Yeah, as charming as a 4 year old throwing himself to the ground, kicking & screaming because Mommy won't buy him a gumball.

 

>If he were my age it would be a

>little distrbing

 

It is more than a little disturbing at any age.

 

>This post isn't to ask anyone to "cut Ben some slack.

 

No, you're trying to tell us that we're wrong for not sacrificing children & small goats to the guy.

 

>All I'm

>asking is you re-evaluate why you dislike him so much.

 

Then perhaps you could try re-evaluating why anything that isn't drooling reverence is labeled bashing or penalizing.

 

>Honestly what has he done that you really dislike?

 

He says that escorts who don't do things exactly as he does are wrong. He posts information, then when it is discussed cries to the operator of this site to stifle that discussion. The list is fairly long, so I'll let others add as well.

 

>Becasue he

>can afford to fly business class, travel the world

 

Good. The experience is wonderful & hopefully it will be beneficial. BTW, with miles, Business or First Class isn't a problem; he's hardly the first person to escape coach. If you don't have the miles or the funds to upgrade, take coach & enjoy the destination. I'd be surprised if anyone who isn't a devoted worshipper really gives half a care WHERE Ben goes or how he flies there.

[Guest 8mile]

Sometimes I'm just amazed.

 

As Usual

Zachary

[FourAces]

>

>That does nothing to explain the several escorts who refuse to

>worship at the altar of Ben. I

 

I intentionally left escorts out of my post becasue the reason for their issues is so transparent.

 

>>Ben's impact on escorting is little difference than Tiger

>>Woods impact on golf or Babe Ruth's impact on baseball or

>>Johnny Carson's impact on Late Night television.

>

>That is perhaps the most delusional statement I have ever

>read. Are you HIGH?

 

Ben has done for escorting what these people have done for their genre. I sense a little jealousy coming from you.

 

>

>>And

>>for that we penalize him?

>

>How exactly has he been penalized?

I think it is easy too twist words around call it what you want but constant threads about how terrible he is and all the special treatment he receives gives me the impression he is being penalized. We all get special treatment in life, what is so bad about that?

 

I can get into Rain (a nightclub) and have you remove, so are you going to start or contribute a zillion posts about how I am special? Of course notbecsaue I am not a threat to you.

>

>>Do I feel Ben is a little too into himself.

>

>The titanic was a small boat. It was a little windy the day

>Dorothy left Kansas. It can get a bit chilly in Antarctica.

 

LOL

 

>

>You're certainly entitled to that opinion. The rest of us

>reserve the right to disagree.

 

Please don't "reserve" your rights for others. I don't pretend to speak for anyone else on this board and find it a little intimadating that you are able to yeild so much power.

 

>

>>This post isn't to ask anyone to "cut Ben some slack.

>

>No, you're trying to tell us that we're wrong for not

>sacrificing children & small goats to the guy.

 

Again you scare me when you speak for "us." That is a pretty mighty assumption on your part. And there is nowhere in my post that indicates anything that you suggest.

>

>>All I'm

>>asking is you re-evaluate why you dislike him so much.

>

>Then perhaps you could try re-evaluating why anything that

>isn't drooling reverence is labeled bashing or penalizing.

 

I have no reverence for Ben. I simply have asked people to look inside and ask themselves a few honest questions. I simply have asked people to be torerent even of those they dislike or disagree with ehre on the board. ben is a big target, I get that. He puts himself right in the center of the bullseye I get that too. He posts about his Mom's accident yet seems to have enough time to read the MC and I get it why read the MC if it is going to bother you, I get that too. But I don[t complain about it or create bashing threads about it.

 

Come on E we all makemistakes we all use poor judgment from time to time, what is the hard how did Ben change your life today?

 

Smile once in a while

[FourAces]

Thanks Juan and a huge hug back

[Rick Munroe]

>As clients many tend to have low self

>esteem. Not all but I feel many clients generally don''t feel

>good about themselves.

 

That is not true, in Derek's and my experience. I don't think many clients have low self-esteem at all. Most of the guys who hire Derek and me do so because it's an easy way to get the type of guy they want, or they're married or partnered or closeted (which does not mean they have low self-esteem; just perhaps a lack of courage) and can't go hanging out in bars picking up guys, or they're just coming out and want some experience, or they're attracted to porn stars & escorts as a fetish, or...the list goes on. It is an unfair negative stereotype that guys who hire are too insecure to meet men for free.

 

>Face it, Ben took the art of being a hooker to the next level.

 

What exactly does he do that other escorts don't do? (I'm really curious; this is not a bash or a jealous attack, and I do not dislike Benjamin at all).

[ErikMcAlister]

>I intentionally left escorts out of my post becasue the reason

>for their issues is so transparent.

 

What might that be?

 

>Ben has done for escorting what these people have done for

>their genre. I sense a little jealousy coming from you.

 

Jealousy of what?

I don't want to be him. I have my own trips & adventures.

Anyone who doesn't like him is automatically jealous? On which planet does that make sense?

 

 

>>

>>>And

>>>for that we penalize him?

>>

>>How exactly has he been penalized?

>I think it is easy too twist words around

 

Twist words around???? I used the very same word you used!

 

>call it what you

>want but constant threads about how terrible he is

 

I've never called him terrible.

 

>and all the

>special treatment he receives gives me the impression he is

>being penalized. We all get special treatment in life, what is

>so bad about that?

 

Receiving special treatment is being penalized???

Again, I ask, ARE YOU HIGH?

It is somewhat refreshing to see one of his acolytes finally admitting that he DOES, indeed, get special treatment, though.

 

>I can get into Rain (a nightclub) and have you remove, so are

>you going to start or contribute a zillion posts about how I

>am special? Of course notbecsaue I am not a threat to you.

 

Are you implying that Ben is a threat to me? I'm not sure how he would/could be, but maybe you'll explain.

 

>Please don't "reserve" your rights for others. I don't pretend

>to speak for anyone else on this board and find it a little

>intimadating that you are able to yeild so much power.

 

Then I'll rephrase. I reserve the right to disagree & I'm willing to bet others do as well.

 

>Again you scare me when you speak for "us."

 

You were adressing people who don't grovel at his feet. I'm part of that group. I'll use the word "us" when appropriate.

 

>>Then perhaps you could try re-evaluating why anything that

>>isn't drooling reverence is labeled bashing or penalizing.

>

>I have no reverence for Ben.

 

Your post notwithstanding.

 

>I simply have asked people to

>look inside and ask themselves a few honest questions.

 

And I asked you to ask yourself some.

 

>I

>simply have asked people to be torerent even of those they

>dislike or disagree with ehre on the board.

 

You didn't say that in the post to which I replied. Why are you using "those" when you mean "Ben" anyway? That scares me. (Allow me to point out the sarcasm in the last sentence.)

 

>Come on E we all makemistakes we all use poor judgment from

>time to time

 

When's he going to admit to that? When is he going to apologize for demeaning every escort who doesn't do things precisely the way he does? When is he going to even acknowledge that his little temper tantrum was just that? I'll tell you when: never. He's far too convinced of his own divinity for that.

 

>Smile once in a while

 

I do--often, even. I hope you do, too. I also, especially in light of the misfortune that has befallen his family recently, hope Mr. Nicholas does as well.

[FourAces]

>

>That is not true, in Derek's and my experience. I don't think

>many clients have low self-esteem at all. Most of the guys

>who hire Derek and me do so because it's an easy way to get

>the type of guy they want, or they're married or partnered or

>closeted (which does not mean they have low self-esteem; just

>perhaps a lack of courage) and can't go hanging out in bars

>picking up guys, or they're just coming out and want some

>experience, or they're attracted to porn stars & escorts as a

>fetish, or...the list goes on. It is an unfair negative

>stereotype that guys who hire are too insecure to meet men for

>free.

 

Rick thanks for the well written thoughts. As a client all I can do is sit on the fence on this one. I doubt there are many studies.

>

>>Face it, Ben took the art of being a hooker to the next

>level.

>

>What exactly does he do that other escorts don't do? (I'm

>really curious; this is not a bash or a jealous attack, and I

>do not dislike Benjamin at all).

 

Since I have never been a client of Ben's I can only speculate and that would bring a slew of negative posts.

 

But from what I have read in his reviews and from two people I know who know him he delivers the goods and then some. He goes the extra mile where many escorts don't. He earns a lot more money than most escorts and has been able to sustain the earnings while others cannot. Plus he's trying to always take escorting beyond the typical meet greet suck fuck sessions.

 

Rick you might read this and think well I do that and maybe you do but I feel you would have to acknowledge that there are few escorts who do so and even fewer who have the ability to capture as much attention in the industry as Ben has

[seaboy4hire]

>When is he going to

>apologize for demeaning every escort who doesn't do things

>precisely the way he does?>

 

Ok I am having a blond moment and because maybe the thread that Ben left about his mother got so long and hard for me to keep up (sorry I like simple threads that aren't a mile long). But please direct me to where he was demeaning to escorts here on the mc. Granted there have been months that I didn't sign in or read the mc cause I needed or wanted a break so if someone could clarify this for me it would be super. Please don't take this as I am saying he may not have done the above but I just may have missed that post some how.

 

Hugs,

Greg

 

Greg Seattle Wa seaboy4hire@yahoo.com

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[Guest skrubber]

Are we really doing this again?

[Guest rohale]

>Are we really doing this again?

 

I totally agree, the question is so how does it end?

 

Rohale

[Doug69]

>Why are so many here so envious of Ben? I believe clients are

>envious of Ben becsaue he represents the youth that was missed

>when client X was young.

>

>Here are my feelings. As clients many tend to have low self

>esteem.

 

This is an interesting, but truly ridiculous, opinion.

 

You've revealed on this Board many times that you are an obese, depressed addict who is unable to exert even minimal amounts of control over your own life. I genuinely admire your honesty and willingness to see yourself as you are, but you should realize that not everyone is like you, to put it mildly.

 

Just because you are old, obese and depressed and hire escorts does not mean that these attributes are shared by most or even many people who hire escorts. The fact that you lack self-esteem and hire escorts to compensate for that or to enable you to re-capture your lost youth is no basis for projecting those attributes onto other people. With the above statement, you are talking only about yourself.

 

As any escort will tell you, the group of clients they have is extremely diverse. Some are young and hot with boyfriends, who hire escorts because they don't want to risk cheating on their bf's with anyone except someone who won't get attached, or because they have an agreement in their relationship that the only outside sex they can have is with hookers, because they'll be no chance of intimacy.

 

Other people hire hookers because they have lots of money but not lots of time, and want to get exactly what they want to find without having to negotiate or search. Still other guys hire because they don't want to compromise and want the sex to be all the way they want it, which you have the right to demand if you're paying.

 

In the early 1990s, when the scandal became public involving Heidi Fleiss (who was the premiere prostitute-provider for the rich and famous in Hollywood), there was a very long list of names in her "book" of people who hired who were very rich, famous and/or good-looking guys.

 

Lots of people asked: "Why would someone who is rich, famous and good-looking, and who can easiy get hot women to fuck, need to hire"? The answer, of course, is that for many people, they don't need to pay for sex, but at times prefer to, for any of the above-stated reasons.

 

Most of all, many people don't pay hookers to come and have sex; you pay them to leave when you want, or to have easily arranged, no-strings-attached sex the way you want it and when you want it.

 

You may hire escorts because you're lonely and need companionship and friendship even if it's artificial and paid for, or because you lack self-esteem. But you should be careful about attributing your own circumstances to other people.

 

>Do I feel Ben is a little too into himself. Sure I do, but is

>that I bad thing not at all. In fact at his age . . . .

 

What is his age? I think it's been proven here several times that whatever his age is, it's a number far away from the one he gives.

 

The whole BN thing is really quite simple. There is a group of people here who are probably quite similar to what you describe as being the hallmark of a client whom BN makes feel better about themselves because he's paid to do so, and in return, is the recipient of blind reverence and unhealthy devotion.

 

There's another group of people here who see BN as being a painfully pretensious, bitchy, deceitful little queen whose sole objectives in life appear to be manipulation and petty self-promotion, and whose followers invoke genuine feelings of concern and pity.

 

Why the people in the former group find themselves to be morally superior to those in the latter group is just one of life's enduring mysteries.

 

There are lots and lots of successful escorts who post here and have posted here, and yet they are not the target of the enmity, ridicule, and scorn that BN seems to be attracting more and more. At some point, those who make the point that this is all motivated by jealousy for BN (and really: jealousy of someone who earns a living as a hooker? jealousy of someone who pays their bills by getting naked and carressing and licking the bodies of lots of fat, old guys for money? what an interesting notion) are going to have to come up with some reason why BN, and not these other escorts, provoke this reaction.

 

At some point, aren't you going to have to face the horrifying and blasphemous possibility that maybe it has something to do with how he conducts himself?

[bevo]

Erik, You have it nailed.

Bevo

[JT Brooklyn]

IMHO..All of this BN Talk, has probably bored most, to the point of not being interested in reading his 15 MINS or Meeting him. BUT I am sure his client base is definitely much more than the guys who read this Site everyday..Maybe "Any publicity" is "Good publicity", BUT not in this Biz..LOL :+

[Bilbo]

Thee are a number of things which I help my clients to learn. One of them is their self worth in certain situations. But, let's face it, if they had self esteem problems in all situations, they couldn't afford an escort! I have one regular client who comes to me in a very, very expensive car, but it has taken me years, and I am still not quite there yet, to get him to quit fussing about having made a mess as soon as he ejaculates. But he couldn't be the wonderful man he is, let alone afford me, let alone afford his car, if he felt that way about all of his accomplishments. I might see more people who need that kind of help than others who don't self identify as sexual healers, but even with me, as others have said, that is only one, probably not the largest demographic of customers that I have.

 

As I said to someone else months ago, when they were complaining about BN, one of my heroes is P.T. Barnum. And I see a lot of similarities between the two. Though I have always felt that BN wasn't talking about the other escorts who care enough about good service and finding out what the clients really want and need to come here and read and post, it is a fact that he has often loudly praised himself on being better than the escorts who don't care about their clients. The part of that that is life size is quite true. The rest is pure Barnum.

[Zippy]

>>Are we really doing this again?

>

>I totally agree, the question is so how does it end?

 

 

If people really, truly want it to end, all they have to do is stop posting to every single mention of his name. Simple.

[ErikMcAlister]

It wasn't in that thread. It was some time ago, and I unearthed it when I was searching for something. I have two weeks of exams, so I'm not going to spend time re-running the search until exams are over, but I will do so for you.

He's also said such things (and a few things that would surprise people here) on another site not open to the public.

[Nicholas571]

I like the freedom of expression on this site. The moderators are open to criticism and when they get it don't pack up and go home...thanks everyone.

 

As for Benjamin Nicholas, I see where some are coming from that his full of himself attitude gets tiring when he flaunts his lifestyle. I don't recall reading that he was a grad student when he was in his teens, but regardless, if he was he didn't do much with that knowledge. I travel first class all the time but it's those that find a way to travel coach and be just as content that I admire. I should have learned to get along with less space and have patience when the offloading occurs. BN should keep his ill gotten wealth to himself or start sharing if/how he is giving it away to those many Americans less fortunate than the rest of us.

 

The average family of four is the US has an income less than $50,000 per year. Benjamin isn't a guy to be admired. He makes money by raising his legs and...well you know the rest. Those that defend him are confused...I certainly doubt BN has waived his weekend fee (2,200....oh yeah....FLAT!!) to be with them. Guys, it ain't love.

 

Live and let live, but don't flaunt and expect to be left alone.

 

Before the comments come on this (Bring em!), I'm where I am by brains and hard work alone. Didn't win the lottery or invent post its. I'm not to be admired; find a teacher working for $35,000 in an inner city school, local cancer center, hospice, homeless shelter and tell me you are helping them and you'll get my admiration.

 

I like visiting this site and hope that maybe BN finds a way to help others (no BN giving blowjobs in first class for a fee isn't what I mean here) that are truly less fortunate than himself. I'd amire him if he changed and used his ill gotten wealth for some good. Maybe he and I should give up first class and suites at hotels and give the difference to those less fortunate? Now I'm thinking.

 

Have a great weekend everyone.

[Doug69]

>I don't recall reading that he was a grad

>student when he was in his teens, but regardless, if he was he

>didn't do much with that knowledge.

 

Excellent post. And just FYI: the bit about him being in grad school as a teenager was a joke that arose from what we can politely call less-than-candid descriptions by him of his age. Forgetting that he claims to be 21, he began writing all sorts of self-glorifying posts here about how he graduated college and then entered grad school, toured with muscial shows, had a career in PR, and one time even referenced the fact that he was doing some of these things in the late 1990s - when, if he were being honest about his age, he would have been about 14 or 15 years old.

 

Of course, when most escorts get caught lying about themsleves or their age, that's a cause to summon the FBI and destroy their careers forever as frauds. But when Benji does it, it just adds to his perfection, and anyone who points it out is just a jealous, bitter asshole.

[Doug69]

>But please direct me to where he was demeaning to escorts here

>on the mc.

 

I once posted a whole compilation of things he said on his little blog which were all about building himself up by making snide, demeaning remarks about escorts generally.

 

That thread got locked about 10 minutes later, and then 5 minutes later, it disappeared altogether.

 

I don't have the incentive to go find them. It didn't take long a the time to find them, because he had just posted 4 weeks in a row of bitchy, snide comments about escorts, and I just copied and pasted them.

 

He began one entry by saying, almost verbatim: "Why are is this business filled with selfish, lying trash who treat their clients as ATM Machines?" - contrasted, of course, with Benji, who - unlike all other escorts - loves his clients and doesn't care about money at all.

 

Again and again, BN has made very insulting, snide comments about other escorts as a way of advertising and promoting himself. That's just but one of his many attributes that are FINALLY causing people - including other escorts - not only to see, but to say, what he really is.

[Guest 8mile]

For a guy with two week of finals you sure do post quite a bit. I suppose that is the reason for the lack of thought and maturity in your writings correct? All of your intelligence going towards your finals right?

 

 

As Usual

Zachary

[BewareofNick]

The bottom line here is that BN brought all this criticism on himself with help from the mesmerized moderators. He pitched a hissy fit about the locked thread. The mods felt sorry for him and BAM! Instant controversy. BN and the mods know the group that posts here. They can't be surprised this happened.

[JT Brooklyn]

"Bravo" Nicholas 571!... You have definitely said it all! :+

[+ deej]

>The bottom line here is that BN brought all this criticism on

>himself with help from the mesmerized moderators. He pitched

>a hissy fit about the locked thread. The mods felt sorry for

>him and BAM! Instant controversy.

 

I don't remember seeing your name on the distribution list on that message. Were you BCC'd? Oh, wait, the board software doesn't support that.

 

Hmmm ... how exactly were you privvy to the message that caused that thread to be locked?

 

Oh, wait ... I get it. You don't have a clue what went down but you "know" by magic. Yes, that explains a lot.