Benj Nicholas talks about barebacking

[mattgunther]

The title of this thread implied that BN barebacks. If you read the entire message, you'll see that's not the case.

 

Its pretty shocking to see someone gleefully describing the bareback sex they enjoyed but that's exactly what BN does in this week's 15 minutes. He writes about visiting a bathhouse and joining two guys who "ended up going bareback between the two with me still watching greedily from the sidelines, ... Things ended with ... the top getting his nut while still fucking the bottom and me happily cumming on the two guys while standing over them."

 

I knew BN was a contempuous jerk-- a BN client told me how BN tried to impress him by dropping the names of some of "his guys" and how BN complained about such unethical behavior as a high level church official who paid his fee with church funds.

 

But I didn't think even someone like BN would sink so low as to leer while another human being was likely getting infected with a fatal disease. And even worse, BN wishes he could make money off it. He wishes he had a camera so he could film the scene and turn it into a website.

 

This guy is truely disgusting.

 

Vacation time for some posters, I think.

[Doug69]

RE: Benj Nicholas barebacks

 

>This guy is truely disgusting.

 

And, it's so interesting - isn't it? - how there's usually an army of moralists here who condemn anyone - video producers, escorts, etc. - who promote barebacking, because such conduct kills gay youth by glamorizing dangerous sex without condems.

 

And yet, here's Benji, writing breathlessly aroused prose about how he sat a foot away from 2 guys barebacking each other in a bathhouse while his dicky was hard, and there's nary a sound of condemnation. How come? What about all those precious gay youth who read Benji's blog and then go out and take loads in their ass because he has glamorized and eroticized barebacking? Isn't that what we're always told about bareback porn producers - how they have blood on their hands because they eroticize bareabacking? How is this any different?

 

And, this is not the first time Benji has promoted barebacking. He also included a bareback porn review from juicygoo.com that included this little pro-barebacking gem:

 

<<Pretty soon he's bent over, taking Steve's big cock up his hole raw and deep on one end and swallowing Cameron's cock down his throat at the other.">>

 

Followed by Benji saying,

 

<<" ...Okay. I’m pretty solid now just posting that WHOOHOO!" >>

 

So, Benji promotes raves about barebacking videos on his site, and then writes B-grade porn describing super "hot" scenes in bathhouses where, supposedly, he just "watched" as two guys barebacked each other.

 

How is he any different than the porn producers who churn out barebacking porn and are constantly accused here of being worse than Hitler? That blog is turning into a very pro-barebacking site. I wonder if any of his drones can get themselves to notice.

[BewareofNick]

RE: Benj Nicholas barebacks

 

Yet another BN thread spawned from the incredible lack of judegment being shown by the moderators here. Well done!!

[taylorky]

RE: Benj Nicholas barebacks

 

>Yet another BN thread spawned from the incredible lack of

>judegment being shown by the moderators here. Well done!!

 

 

LOL.

[woodlawn]

>The title of this thread implies the BN

>barebacks. If you read the entire message, you'll see that's

>not the case.

 

Unless I'm missing something, the title is BN "talks about" barebacking. How does that imply that BN barebacks? Please check your dictionary on the difference between the words "imply" and "infer."

 

>

>Vacation time for some posters, I think.

>

 

I don't read BN's blog, but is there anything the thread author says about it that is NOT true? If not, why does he need a "vacation"? Because you don't like having a poster point out that someone who writes a column for this site is behaving irresponsibly?

[+ deej]

>Unless I'm missing something, the title is BN "talks about"

>barebacking. How does that imply that BN barebacks? Please

>check your dictionary on the difference between the words

>"imply" and "infer."

 

I have modified Cooper's remark to more closely reflect the situtation.

 

See the replies for the original thread title.

[BewareofNick]

>

>Vacation time for some posters, I think.

>

 

Actually, it's time for deej and trilingual to take a vacation from moderating. Each subsequent act of censorship shows that they are ill suited for this roll and incapable of carrying it out properly.

 

This once again illustrates the power of BN who more than likely complained about the thread, and much like Pavlos's dog, deej immediately rushed to do his bidding.

 

You guys still don't get it, do you?

[Guest ChgoBoy]

>I have modified Cooper's remark to more closely reflect the

>situtation.

>

>See the replies for the original thread title.

 

I'm still very confused. Deej has provided an updated disclaimer that reads...

 

"The title of this thread implied that BN barebacks. If you read the entire message, you'll see that's not the case"

 

Where in the title of this thread "Benj Nicholas talks about barebacking" does it imply that BN barebacks? I mean, what am I missing?

[FourAces]

>Where in the title of this thread "Benj Nicholas talks about

>barebacking" does it imply that BN barebacks? I mean, what am

>I missing?

 

Yes you're missing the original post.

 

RT

[LovesYng]

All I get from this post is that someone has his head so far up BN's ass that he is starting to smell like shit. Hmmm, maybe someone should take a vacation and stop with his threats. Must be nice to have so much power to think they are GOD.

 

When in doubt I whip it out :+

[Guest ChgoBoy]

>>Where in the title of this thread "Benj Nicholas talks

>about

>>barebacking" does it imply that BN barebacks? I mean, what

>am

>>I missing?

>

>Yes you're missing the original post.

>

>RT

>

 

OK, I see. It was Doug's response post. Thanks.

[Doug69]

>OK, I see. It was Doug's response post. Thanks.

 

No, you're mistaken. The post which originated this thread had the title: "Benj Nicholas barebacks." When I replied, that title created by the thread originator was retained, as is always the case.

 

After I replied, one of the moderators changed the title of the original post to read "Benj Nicholas talks about barebacking," but carelessly neglected to change the title in the subsequent posts, including mine. I did not create that title.

 

I don't think it's necessarily fair to definitively state that BN himself actually barebacks, because I (at least) don't know for sure that he does (although it's a little hard to believe that someone who professes to get hard from barebacking videos sat in a bathhouse, hard, while he watched, from one foot away, 2 guys who did bareback, without joining in - but since Benji never said he barebacks (just that he loves barebacking videos and loves watching guys bareback each other in bathhouses), it's just specultation at this point as to whether he himself actually barebacks.

 

But there is no question that he likes, promotes and encourages barebacking. Thus, a much more accurate thread title would be "Benj Nicholas promotes barebacking" or "Benj Nicholas eroticizes barebacking," or "Benj Nicholas loves barebacking."

[Guest ChgoBoy]

Thanks for that clarification Doug.

[trilingual]

I'm personally shocked, shocked about how easily shocked other posters here are about barebacking, and how high they get on their high horses about it!

 

Personally, I think barebacking is beyond bizarre. I think anybody who practices it needs immediate mental health care (as well as antiviral therapy). I'd never do it myself, and nobody I know personally does it (as far as I know). Yet we all know that different things turn different people on, weird and sick as those things may seem to those of us who aren't into them.

 

I would just note that barebacking ISN'T against the Message Center rules, unlike child porn. Is someone wants to fantasize about barebacking, or advocate it, or even offer it, no rule is being broken. If it's not something you find attractive, or would ever engage in yourself, you don't have to read about it. I usually don't, just as I skip right over stuff about bondage or scat. But that doesn't mean I want to ban all discussion of these subjects by those who DO have an interest in it.

 

And just for the record, I've never met Ben N., and probably never will (too blond, smooth, unendowed for my particular tastes). But from what I've seen he's mostly been a positive contributor to M4M, adding a lot of interest. And I don't recall him getting all moralistic about everyone and everything (although I certainly haven't read everything he's written or posted).

 

Naturally, if you strongly oppose barebacking, you should feel free to do so and to post about it. But it's like everything else: put it in some perspective. Once you've made your disapproval clear you've made your point. People who bareback, in my opinion, are nuts. But they aren't Satan incarnate, unless they're doing it without disclosing their HIV status to their equally feeble-minded partners!

 

Finally, I agree with changing the title of the thread, at a minimum. Just because someone FANTASIZES about barebacking doesn't mean that one engages in it themselves. I've fantasized a lot of things I'd never actually DO, and I'm sure that's true of most readers here. It's a big leap to assume that people do the things they fantasize. In the case of someone like Ben N., who earns his living escorting, saying he barebacks without actual knowledge is irresponsible, at best, and vicious, at worst. The original posting was vicious, and based entirely on speculation. That justifies it being changed or removed, and that would be true whether the post were about Ben N. or any other escort or client on M4M.

[twobitsfourbits]

Bitter just isn't a good color on you Matt. Both you and Douggie seem to have that whole he 'doth protest too much' thing going on, which only makes you two seem more obsessive with the success that Benjamin has achieved. It's really quite sad that you expend so much energy on these things. It's also one of many personality traits that the classic stalker exhibits. Think about that one.

 

I, as someone who has spent most of his professional life in the world of psychology, advise you to find a hobby or possibly even spend more time masterbating. Your smear campaign against BN is silly and childish. In the longrun, this massive blast of PR will only help him while your various inchoherent ramblings will prove you too jaded and uninformed to be taken seriously. You're shooting yourself in the foot and you don't even know it.

[+ Lucky]

RE: Matt Gunther Is A Liar

 

MattGunther stooped to a new low in posting, even for himself. He wanted the thread to state as a matter of fact that BN barebacks, but, since there is no proof of that, it was changed by the moderators. In other words, he wanted to start out with a lie about Ben and hope it would spread from the headline alone.

 

He has previously trashed several escorts and is very vicious about it. I can't say that he is one and the same with DOug69, but I wouldn't doubt it.

[noviceny]

>I, as someone who has spent most of his professional life in

>the world of psychology, advise you to find a hobby or

>possibly even spend more time masterbating.

 

hehehe...Im gonna use that phrase with some of my clients and see if I can lose my license : )

[Doug69]

>I'm personally shocked, shocked about how easily shocked

>other posters here are about barebacking, and how high they

>get on their high horses about it!

 

You're missing the point. I happen to agree with you that whether or not someone promotes barebacking or sells or buys bareback porn is nobody else's business.

 

But every time this issue has come up here, that opinion is shared by a very small minority. Everytime there is any reference to someone who promotes barebacking in any way, there is an onslaught of moralists here who claim that those who, for instance, sell bareback videos are murderers and disgusting evil cretins, because, by eroticizing unsafe sex, they are teaching gay youth to go and seek out dangerous sex and they therefore have buckets of blood on their hand.

 

Benji is clearly out there eroticizing and praising bareback sex at least as much as producers of bareback porn are, so I, for one, am wondering where all of that thunderous outrage is.

[Doug69]

>Bitter just isn't a good color on you Matt. Both you and

>Douggie seem to have that whole he 'doth protest too much'

>thing going on, which only makes you two seem more obsessive

>with the success that Benjamin has achieved.

 

I know you think that this is some uniquely insightful observation because of how clever and credentialed you want to depict yourself as being, what with your cute little claims about being "in the world of psychology" - whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean - but this line has been trotted out a thousand times and is as idiotic as it is tired and trite.

 

The notion that people are jealous of someone who has to stick their tongue up old fat guys' assholes or go on travel weekends with drunken, wrinkled, lonely old bores, just to make a living, is really too ludicrous to merit discussion, wouldn't you agree?

 

It's really

>quite sad that you expend so much energy on these things.

>It's also one of many personality traits that the classic

>stalker exhibits. Think about that one.

 

Yeah - forget all that stuff about lurking outside someone's apartment and writing them letters every day urging them to be with you and threatening to kill them if you can't have them. What REALLY makes someone a "stalker" is commenting regularly on the blog they write. Wow, you really have spent a long time "in the world of psychology," haven't you?

 

>I, as someone who has spent most of his professional life in

>the world of psychology, advise you to find a hobby or

>possibly even spend more time masterbating.

 

I believe that it is Woodlawn who has frequently pointed out that anyone who is genuinely a psychological professional would realize how stupid and ill-advised (not to mention unethical) it is to try to diagnose someone psychologically based on some Internet posts, and therefore, anyone who does it is almost certainly lying when they claim to be a psychological professional. It's hard to imagine more compelling proof of the wisdom of his observation than your amateurish attempt to mimic a Psychology 101 freshman trying to sound like he knows what the fuck he's talking about.

 

>In the longrun,

>this massive blast of PR will only help him while your various

>inchoherent ramblings will prove you too jaded and uninformed

>to be taken seriously. You're shooting yourself in the foot

>and you don't even know it.

 

Absolutely - anyone who likes escorts who: (a) lie substantially about their age, (b) are obssessed with musical theater, © talk more incessently and flamboyantly about their material possessions than Zsa Zsa Gabor ever did, and (d) promotes and glamorizes barebacking, are defintely going to be drawn to Benji as the result of my posts here. My guess is, though, the pool of clients which finds those attributes attractive is pretty small.

 

Either way, my goal isn't to harm Benji's career. If my posts here get him more clients, that's of no concern to me. I point out how truly deceitful, manipulative and pretensious his posts are because their extremity makes it entertaining for me to do so, and because I don't like to see people taken in by frauds and scams. So whether or not he gets more or fewer clients as a result is almost as irrelevant to me as your opinions are.

[woodlawn]

>I, as someone who has spent most of his professional life in

>the world of psychology, advise you to find a hobby or

>possibly even spend more time masterbating.

 

I assume by "spent most of his professional life in the world of psychology" you mean that you have been a patient. It can't mean that you are a psychologist, since it's beyond belief that a psychologist would not know how to spell "masturbate."

 

>Both you and

>Douggie seem to have that whole he 'doth protest too much'

>thing going on, which only makes you two seem more obsessive

>with the success that Benjamin has achieved. It's really

>quite sad that you expend so much energy on these things.

>It's also one of many personality traits that the classic

>stalker exhibits. Think about that one.

 

This mishmash of pop psychology buzzwords can't possibly have been written by a psychologist, or by anyone who takes the tools of that profession seriously.

 

> Your smear

>campaign against BN is silly and childish. In the longrun,

>this massive blast of PR will only help him while your various

>inchoherent ramblings will prove you too jaded and uninformed

>to be taken seriously. You're shooting yourself in the foot

>and you don't even know it.

 

Don't be more of a fool than you can help. Doug's long history of erudite (and often hilarious) posts have earned him a reputation on this board that wannabes like you will never possess. I don't know why he bothers to focus on an unimportant nobody like Benjamin Nicholas, but whatever he cares to write about, I and quite a few others will always be interested in reading it.

[Doug69]

RE: Matt Gunther Is A Liar

 

>He has previously trashed several escorts and is very vicious

>about it. I can't say that he is one and the same with

>DOug69, but I wouldn't doubt it.

 

I can't say that Lucky is a child molsester, but I wouldn't doubt it.

 

I can't say that Lucky posts here as Franco, but I wouldn't doubt it.

 

I can't say that Lucky has a vagina, but I wouldn't doubt it.

 

Do you see now, Lucky, why I recently bestowed upon you the title that I did? It's this sort of "reasoning" that is truly unsurpassed for sheer stupidity by anyone else on this Board, and that's really saying something.

[dannyrossmoore]

I really need a scorecard to tell who's on what team here.

And is the Nicholas team or the anti-Nicholas team ahead?

[spiro3]

I find it more than curious that someone with the moniker " MattGunther" would be on a high horse over BBing, when he has taken for his board name a well known porn star of the 80's ( and one of the most gorgeous ever in the biz) who clearly had no problem with BBing and died tragically of AIDS at a very young age. Hmmmmmmmm.

 

As for BN....you rock, Guy! You got the sexiest blog on the internet.

[Guest ncm2169]

RE: Benj Nicholas barebacks

 

< How is he any different than the porn producers who churn out barebacking porn and are constantly accused here of being worse than Hitler? That blog is turning into a very pro-barebacking site. I wonder if any of his drones can get themselves to notice.

 

No drone here, Doogie. :*

 

I once called Aaron Lawrence a scumbag in this Forum, and I found BN's gleeful portrayal of his shooting on the two guys who'd just finished barebacking in that same league.

 

And, yeah, I still assert that making barebacking sexy, whether creating videos depicting it, or writing about it as BN did (does?), is sick, irresponsible and mendacious. Period.

[Doug69]

RE: Benj Nicholas barebacks

 

>I once called Aaron Lawrence a scumbag in this Forum, and I

>found BN's gleeful portrayal of his shooting on the two guys

>who'd just finished barebacking in that same league.

>

>And, yeah, I still assert that making barebacking sexy,

>whether creating videos depicting it, or writing about it as

>BN did (does?), is sick, irresponsible and mendacious.

>Period.

 

Well, as you know, you and I don't agree on this issue, but I find your consistency and willingness to apply your principles without exception to be genuinely commendable.

 

As for the pro-barebacking entry written by Benji, that is from his latest posting, so I think it's fair to use the present tense when describing his love of (watching, seeing in person) barebacking. The rave he gave to that bb video was pretty recent, too.