A suggestion

[Greathands]

On another thread about the "other" message board, I noticed the comment about the post there entitled "Who was Hooboy?".

 

I've been a daily reader of this site who has strongly relied on the reviews ... and have occasionally posted in the message center as well. But thru all this time, I've not known too much about Hooboy. Over the past couple of years, I've become quite a fan of Hooboy and his vision, yet I know literally nothing about him.

 

Perhaps, as a testament to someone we all came to care for, a biography of sorts could be put on the site. I'm not looking for "dirt" about the man. I would just be interested knowing a little bit more about the man who had the vision to create this very unique and very much needed site.

[seaboy4hire]

Greathands do you want the Disney version or the adult version?

Greg Seattle Wa seaboy4hire@yahoo.com

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/gregseattle.html

http://seaboy4hire.tripod.com

[JT Brooklyn]

LOL LOL!!!! :+

[Greathands]

You need to ask? Since we already agree to all the disclaimers to enter the site, we may as well have the ADULT VERSION!

[seaboy4hire]

The adult version might upset some people.

Greg Seattle Wa seaboy4hire@yahoo.com

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/gregseattle.html

http://seaboy4hire.tripod.com

[happyguy2]

I would always want to respect Hooboy's privacy... yet, in the few times I spoke to him via e-mail, he was so nice and humorous.... Eventually, when it doesn't threaten his family or any of that...

it really would be nice to know who he was out there.

 

I suspect he was a very attractive man, with many talents. We are grateful to him and even though we didn't know him, it would be great to know just alittle, no dirt....

 

I greatly respect, however, all efforts that are in place right now.

 

hg

[Boston Guy]

>The adult version might upset some people.

 

Don't write things you'll wish you hadn't written when you look back at them a month later. HB was a kind guy who did a lot for a lot of people. The only thing gained by dragging his name through the mud is the temporary amusement of people with small minds.

 

It may not be fashionable these days to uphold traditional ideas like not speaking ill of the dead. But when we lose these kinds of traditions that call for respect for people who can no longer defend themselves, we are all diminished.

 

Finally, remember well that those who rush to speak ill of others or put down people who cannot defend themselves or spread gossip like it's burning news speak far more about their own character than they ever do about the people they are gossiping about. And, no, it doesn't matter if the information passed on is available elsewhere or is already known or can be found somehow; adults who pass on information or speak ill of the dead are as guilty of being indiscreet as if they were the originator of the information.

 

I will remind you that if there is one characteristic that virtually everyone who comes here expects from each and every one of the escorts they hire, discretion would be high on the list. Descretion includes holding shared confidences and secrets forever, not just until it's no longer convenient to do so or when breaking the confidence will allow one to look smart or clever in front of other people.

 

It would not seem to me to be wise for any escort to become known as one who is prone to telling tales on other people.

 

BG

[woodlawn]

>Don't write things you'll wish you hadn't written when you

>look back at them a month later. HB was a kind guy who did a

>lot for a lot of people. The only thing gained by dragging

>his name through the mud is the temporary amusement of people

>with small minds.

 

Translation: If you post anything on this board about Hooboy other than the vague, laudatory platitudes we've already seen, even if what you post is quite true, it means you are a bad, bad person.

 

>It would not seem to me to be wise for any escort to become

>known as one who is prone to telling tales on other people.

 

Translation: Any escort who asks too many questions about Hooboy is going to be punished in various ways by this site.

 

For an example of how the management of this site can punish escorts who don't toe the line, consult Ethan.

[Boston Guy]

You can translate my words any way you want. You can continue to try to put words into my mouth; it's your wont anyway.

 

But my words speak for themselves. And the recommendations I provided are far more in line with the kinds of behavior we normally expect from adults than anything you have suggested or recommended in weeks.

 

Your writings and actions suggest strongly that you have become interested solely in your own amusement, no matter the cost to other people or, indeed, to this site. It saddens me to say that there is nothing in anything you write anymore to suggest even a shred of human decency or compassion for others. Indeed, it saddens me more than most here might suspect.

 

BG

[woodlawn]

>Your writings and actions suggest strongly that you have

>become interested solely in your own amusement,

 

Not at all! Like you, my interest in hookers is motivated solely by my desire to achieve world peace.

 

>no matter the

>cost to other people or, indeed, to this site. It saddens me

 

Frankly, BG, it saddens me to see you use the same shitty tactics that the right wing in this country use to defend their crimes. When

anyone says anything critical of them, they accuse him of trying to destroy America. With you, the accusation is that those who disagree with you want to destroy this site. You must have an awfully low opinion of the intelligence of your readers if you think they don't notice that.

[Doug69]

>>It would not seem to me to be wise for any escort to become

>>known as one who is prone to telling tales on other people.

>

>Translation: Any escort who asks too many questions about

>Hooboy is going to be punished in various ways by this site.

 

Yup. Or: "Hey, nice little escorting career you have there. Sure would be a shame if something happened to it, all because you're being disloyal, have different tastes in message boards, and appear to be forming opinions on your own that violate what we've dictated here."

 

They reward with blog links and endless, uncritical praise the escorts who spout the Party Line and giggle with uncontroversial tripe at their comments.

 

The ones who don't snap into line are threatened as in this BG post, mercilessly castigated, and patronizingly treated like some 8-year-old who is hanging out with the wrong boys.

 

So much for respecting the humanity of each person here, especially escorts.

 

>For an example of how the management of this site can punish

>escorts who don't toe the line, consult Ethan.

 

Yeah - or Vincent Michael or Greg, both of whom have been demeaned, threatened, and ridiculed for doing nothing other than expressing views which are contrary to those held by the Powers that Be and for having the temerity to post elsewhere.

 

Controlling people generally is their greatest need - hence the punishment they advocate, urge and impose for those whose views they can't control - but that need is particularly acute with escorts. And when escorts start acting and thinking freely and independently, THAT is what really brings out their vicousness.

 

After all, escorts are nothing but objects we pay in order to control and force them to pretend they like us - but if they refuse to pretend - if they start saying things that we dislike and disagree with - isn't that a crime worthy of being cast out of Escort Heaven?

[Boston Guy]

The expected response, Doug.

 

Totally in line with your complete lack of concern for others. Egg Greg and the others on. "So much for respecting the humanity of each person here, especially escorts." Indeed. The respect you show for others here, including the ones you encourage on, is completely underwhelming.

 

Encourage Greg to tell everything he knows. Goad him. You might just get him to start revealing it all.

 

Who cares what happens to his escorting career afterwards? Who cares if potential clients think "I'm not going to hire this guy; he can't be trusted to hold a confidence." That doesn't matter at all to you, does it? Just so long as he furthers your goals here of undermining M4M. Use them and dispose of them, I guess, huh?

 

You're a hell of friend. As the old saying goes, "with friends like these...".

 

I hate to see young guys hurt, especially as a result of the actions of others and most especially by the actions of others who care not one whit about them. Your false parading of principle is unconvincing, to say the least.

 

Real friends don't use their friends for the sake of amusement or worse.

 

BG

[Greathands]

How typical that a thread I started ABOUT A TRIBUTE TO HOOBOY has turned into another bitter bashing among posters. It's getting quite sickening!

[OneFinger]

I do know that HooBoy liked his privacy and he was very protective of the privacy of others. For that reason alone, I'm not sure what would be gained by posting details about his life that he chose NOT to post himself.

 

If he wanted us to know he would have told us.

 

But, I think there is a more important reason NOT to post details or info about his life. That reason is his family and loved ones. I've gone through the death of both parents and several other close relatives. During the death process, especially when the death was unexpected, it is a very stressful time.

 

I would have been LIVID about anyone posting anything about my dead relatives on the internet. It wouldn't matter to me if the info was positive or negative. When I feel the time was right, it is MY place to start a website to solicit info. Until then, I would want people to collect their memories or questions but wait for me to inquire or ask.

 

Another item that well-meaning people used to do was inquire about the estate. I even had neighbors asking me at the funeral if they could purchase my father's car or offering recommendations on what to do with the home, furniture, or the business.

 

Settling an estate is not an easy task and it takes times. These unwanted opinions or inquiries were not welcome and only added to the stress.

 

In short, I really appreciated the way Hoovillians were able to write messages about HooBoy and remember our experiences with him. I'm glad they were provided to the family and that they knew of HooBoy's cyber friends.

 

But that time has passed and I don't think it's appropriate to continue the discussion or encroach on what is now a family matter. If they want our involvement, I'm sure they know how to contact the Administrator and/or Moderators on this site.

 

I know my thoughts and suggestions will offend or anger some people. But, remember, they're only my opinion and I certainly DON'T speak for this site or the family.

 

There are many differing opinions on this subject and mine might not be representative of what others feel is best. But that doesn't mean we can't disagree and still remain civil. ;-)

[Boston Guy]

Finally: a voice of reason!

 

A great post and well-needed. Thanks for adding a calm perspective.

 

BG

[joel304]

I would NOT reveal any personal information about anyone. However, I'm amused that the computer boys on here can't Google the information based upon the limited facts that you know. Should take all of 30 seconds.

 

I'm certainly not among the "in the know" on this site, and it took me seconds following the death to be completely informed.

 

I would not advocate anyone posting ANY INFORMATION on this site or any other, under any circumstance.

[noviceny]

I would like to know a little about HooBoy, but nothing so personal that it would be indiscreet. In my mind, I see HooBoy as an older white guy, kind of the like the Wizard in the Wizard of Oz, but much less goofy.

 

I never really wondered much about what any of you looked like and I cant really remember anything of importance that any of you have said...thats not a knock at all...I think that a good number of you guys are fairly intelligent and that I would even be friends with some of you...I just dont remember stuff from here...I do remember overall impressions of people though

 

BTW what did happen to Ethan ?

[Guest Conway]

"Hey, nice little escorting career you have there. Sure would be a shame if something happened to it, all because you're being disloyal, have different tastes in message boards, and appear to be forming opinions on your own that violate what we've dictated here."

 

Well, he certainly isn't going to make much of a living selling himself to the three of you who talk to yourselves incessantly on the new more obsessive and compulsive alternative to this board. It seems like solid business advice to me.

 

Then again, I'm guessing Seaboy probably isn't bright enough to realize that.

[Guest ncm2169]

< I think there is a more important reason NOT to post details or info about his life. That reason is his family and loved ones

 

OneFinger, take a deep breath. The details about Hooboy's life are posted all over the internet, in obituaries, etc. Apparently the only place left out is this site. Posting personal info about him here would hardly alert his family and loved ones, unless you think that this is the only internet site his family and loved ones visit - not very likely, IMHO. }(

 

As for the less savory details of his life, well that's what history is all about. Some people may not like the fact that Thomas Jefferson was "outed" as sleeping with his female slaves, but it's history. Others may not like the apparent fact being reported that Hooboy had a drug problem. Once again, if it's true it's history. (It's also not news to anyone who's lurked here for any time). Death does not lock the history books, indeed, just the opposite. :7

[OneFinger]

>OneFinger, take a deep breath. The details about Hooboy's life are posted all over the internet, in obituaries, etc. Apparently the only place left out is this site.

 

After taking a VERY deep breath, I can honestly say that I haven't found a direct link to his private life and this site. Please feel free to e-mail me privately with that info. I don't believe it is easily accessible.

 

>Posting personal info about him here would hardly alert his family and loved ones..

 

Again, I ask you to provide e-mail proof. You may be totally correct but that's not been my experience.

 

>As for the less savory details of his life, well that's what history is all about.

 

I'm certainly not trying to re-write history. I just don't believe what you claim is public knowledge really is. Again, please provide proof and I gladly get off my high horse.

 

Everyone, including me, has their private warts and dark sides. I just don't see what is accomplished by revealing it. I definately don't believe that disclosure of personal info would be appreciated by the family or loved ones.

 

We may have differing opinions and I don't have a problem with that. I'm just very sensitive about UNNECESSARY disclosure of personal information.

[VaHawk]

Go to the other site, maybe? I just did a google (tons of info).

 

Damn, HB was a good looking man! And wild and crazy, according to his bio. That, at least imo, always came out in his posts, especially as Garbo! Sure miss those posts.

[OneFinger]

Welcome back!! Wondered where you were.

 

I don't disagree that you can find an abundance of info about HooBoy using his real name. But I still contend that there is NOT a direct link between HooBoy's website AND his real identity. I believe he intentionally made a distinction between his "escort" self and his "real" self.

 

And, as I said in a previous post, what value is there for his family and loved ones to be inundated by "lookie-loos" from this site inquiring about the proceeds from his estate?

 

I don't doubt for a minute that his family could shut down this site if they so desired. So, lacking their closure of this site, what business do you or I have in seeking details of his estate?

 

You and I have disagreed in the past and I'm sure that will continue in the future. But, do we really need to draw HooBoy and his estate into it?

[+ deej]

Hawk, I'm just curious....

 

How much would you have found on Google without the information posted on the other site?

[joel304]

Just following his death, knowing his real FIRST name, and place of death, I Googled the info including "American dead in ... (not revealing the location ... although MOST already know) while vacationing" and numerous articles came up. His actual name was revealed on this site by many, including the M4M posterboy BN.

 

With the limited celebrity that Hoo enjoyed in his former career, his identity was sure to be revealed with little effort, or little knowledge of events. The Google search did not even require his name. Interestingly, the information needed for any investigation was provided by those that professed the need for discretion repeatedly. Irony. And no Deej, you were not one of the lot.

[+ deej]

Thanks, Joel!

 

Much appreciated!