How escorts REALLY feel about their clients

[Doug69]

Smart escorts are able to mask their true feelings about their clients, but ones who aren't quite as bright sometimes accidentally let their mask slip and show us all what they really think.

 

Below is an excerpt from the blog of an escort who is quite well-known on this forum and who named his blog after a block of time.

 

In this excerpt, he is describing a scene he had in a locker room of a gym where he and this hot, young guy were exchanging naked glances - and then it all got ruined when this "older gent" walked in, causing the escort to run away as fast as possible because the "older gent," being older, completely destroyed any possibility for a sexually arousing environment.

 

Here's the excerpt - let's all try to remember how so many escorts, even those who are really good at pretending otherwise, find "older gents" to be sexually repulsive:

 

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He began to slowly soap up his body, as he knew I was watching, concentrating on his pecs and working his way down into his crotch. His cock grew thicker and more erect with each stroke. He turned against the wall and slid his soapy finger into his ass. WHEW! I almost lost it right there and was seconds from joining him in his stall when the locker room door opened and I saw an older gent looking for a locker.

 

Strangely enough, Mr. Fingers-in-his-ass was too enraptured with his own body cavity to notice this new person in the area. It’s funny how situations go from highly erotic to uncomfortably sterile in a matter of 5 seconds. I got out of the shower and ran to my locker like a concierge from Russell Crowe, but still don’t know if Rectum-Damn-Near-Killed-Em stopped fingering his hole to notice that he had an unlikely audience.

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In other words, things were really hot for this escort when he and the young guy were exchanging glances, until the older guy showed up, and then it was immediately disgusting (the appearance of the older guy caused the escort to run "to (his) locker like a concierge from Russell Crowe."

 

Notice we know nothing about the disgusting "gent" other than the fact that he is "older." But that's all this escort needed to know in order to have his sexual mood ruined, because he obviously finds "older gents" disgusting.

 

Isn't it amazing that this escort - like so many - makes a living pretending to find guys attractive who, in reality, he finds to be repulsive?

[raife]

This is your interpretation, of course, but the context of the "older gent's" body language is not related in the section given. If anybody walks in on sex in a "T-Room" (including a hottie) the mood is temporarily spoiled as the motives of the interloper are momentarily unknown.

 

It is your (and the Mean Girls) wont to believe that escorts are disgusted by older men, and therefore the escorting experience is a degrading one for both parties… Not my experience at all, or otherwise the guys I see regularly wouldn't go out of their way to befriend me & spend time "off the clock" with me. Of course I talk to them (interview, if you will) beforehand, and my intuition is pretty good at culling the duplicitous types (usually druggies) before any action occurs.

 

Obviously you cynics think I'm a crazymonkey, but the right escorts can be like priests exemplifying the Sacred nature of humans serving each other's deep needs... vital channels of Enlightenment. Kall Me Kooky, but oh well... There's an amazing amount of joy to be found in the nooks and crannies of life. I'll take my mystical view over your cynical one in a heartbeat. But then that's kind of tautological, isn't it?

 

If this bitter cynicism is your view of the escorting scene, I pity you your mental poverty and lack of discernment, and that you're "forced" by your uncontrolled lust to remain in a scene you find so pernicious. Each to their own, I guess. Maybe you'd like to read more Henry Miller…

[BgMstr4u]

This escort may or may not have negative feelings about the older generation, but they certainly don't show in this excerpt. The only negative interaction is that it went from "highly erotic to uncomfortably sterile" very quickly. He described the other person as older, but there was no other negative characterization of him.

 

I have to say that a scene that develops as the one he describes can be destroyed by ANY interruption, not just one by an older man. There is a certain delicacy to the beginning of a connection between two strangers that is not served when the atmosphere changes. I would read the passage about the interruption as a description -- the other guy was older, a statement of fact -- rather than a put down. He was not describing a client, or someone who even came on to him, but just someone who walked in. And I don't find the word or even a hint of the concept that the older man was disgusting, unless it be the word "unlikely", which seems fairly neutral. The entrance of a third person, who happened to be older, broke the spell. Not a put down, IMHO.

[Doug69]

>This escort may or may not have negative feelings about the

>older generation, but they certainly don't show in this

>excerpt. The only negative interaction is that it went from

>"highly erotic to uncomfortably sterile" very quickly.

 

No, he also said that as soon as the "older gent" appeared, he went running away as fast as possible - to use his description, like a concierge running away from Russell Crowe. He was making quite clear that he was horrified by the guy who appeared. Are you trying to claim that if the new guy had been a hot, young, hung guy, this escort would have had the same reaction?

 

As for your claim that the escort mentioned that the guy was "older" merely as a descriptive term, rather than as something derogatory, you really have to be fucking kidding. I am sure that there were lots of other attributes the escort noticed about the guy - that he was thin/fat/normal weight, had thick hair/balding, had glasses/blue eyes, was tall/short, had dark/blond hair, was black/white, etc. etc.

 

And yet, in describing the guy who ruined the sexual mood and caused him to run away, the ONLY feature that the escort mentioned was that he was "older." If the fact that the guy was "older" was irrelevant to the destruction of the sexual mood - as you are absurdly claiming - why mention that the guy was "older" at all?

 

Look, I appreciate the desire to maintain the delusion that 21 year-old escorts (or, in this case, a 31-year-old escort pretending to be 21) actually like hanging out with older guys, but when an escort is THIS transparent (accidentally) about his physical and sexual disdain for older guys, isn't there something quite unhealthy about insisting that he didn't really mean it?

[Doug69]

>This is your interpretation, of course, but the

>context of the "older gent's" body language is not related in

>the section given. If anybody walks in on sex in a "T-Room"

>(including a hottie) the mood is temporarily spoiled as the

>motives of the interloper are momentarily unknown.

 

Right, if Brad Pitt had walked in naked to the locker room, I'm sure the escort would have run away just as quickly and with as much disgust. It had nothing to do with the fact that the "interloper" was "older," leading a rational person to wonder, of course: if, as you claim, the guy's "older" age had nothing to do with what happened, why was it was mentioned at all?

 

>It is your (and the Mean Girls) wont to believe that escorts

>are disgusted by older men, and therefore the escorting

>experience is a degrading one for both parties…

 

This is false, for multiple reasons.

 

First, not all escorts are disgusted by older men. Some escorts like older guys and others are able to find something hot about virtually anyone and concentrate only on that attribute.

 

Many escorts, however, do find the guys they hang out with to be disgusting and pretend otherwise in order to manipulate them. This escort accidentally revealed that he is in this category.

 

Second, not all guys who hire escorts are old. Therefore, to believe that many escorts, like the one who authored this passage, are disgusted by older guys is not tantamount to believing that every escort experience is degrading.

 

Third, it is your view apparently - but NOT mine - that an escort experience is "degrading" for both parties if the escort does not find the client hot. I do not believe this to be true despite your attributing the belief to me.

 

If an escort has sex with a client whom he does not find to be hot, that is just a business transaction. There is nothing degrading about it- just like there's nothing degrading about a woman cleaning someone's apartment because she's gettig paid to do so, and not because she likes the apartment owners. She's cleaning the apartment for money, and - even if she dislikes the apartment owners - there's nothing "degrading" about it for either party. It's just a business transaction.

 

In the escort context, it only becomes degrading for the client when the client is so lonely, needy and lacking in self-worth that he starts pretending that the escort really finds him to be hot and is really into him and that it's something more than a business transaction - or, even worse, when the client's primary activity in the romantic, sexual and intimate sphere becomes hiring hookers and then living the delusion that they're almost like boyfriends.

 

It's not the escort experience itself that is "degrading" when the escort doesn't find the client hot. It's the subsequent delusion by many clients that this is not the reality.

 

I trust that you now understand and appreciate this distinction.

[KY_TOP]

I don't particularly draw the same conclusion from what he said as you do, but I might see were you could get that. I just took it as someone interupting and he running out.

 

As for how Escorts really feel, many seem to forget we are PAYING for time with guys that would not be with us otherwise. The Escort you are referencing here is no different. Scott Adler put it better in his "Fresh Meat in Los Angeles-- Greg Scott" thread.

 

Quote:" As a client you are asking an escort to sleep with you. If it weren't for the money, they wouldn't be doing it. Blunt as that is, it's the case. $150 to do something usually thought "disgusting" to a community or an individual just doesn't cut it. Sorry."

 

A client should not get so delusional to think other than exactly what Mr Adler has reminded us in his statement. As some may know, I had a BF for awhile that had been an Escort and that is actually how we met. I realized from him, and his relating conversations with other Escorts, exactly how many clients are thought of by those they hire. The term disperate old men is used often. Since parting and going our own ways, he has reminded me often what escorts really think about me, suggesting I no longer hire. But I continue because I do enjoy hiring attractive men to spend time with me. And hey the sex ain't bad either. :+

 

One thing I also have learned about many escorts, is that the money is obviously important but also they really do enjoy attention. But that is no different than most people, we ALL enjoy attention.

 

I have been with many Escorts and had a fantastic time with most. Some of the most gorgeous, sexiest, sexual men in the world. The only reason we met, is because I paid them.

 

Even though I am paying to be with an escort I have always respected the person I am with. Hopefully, that respect can be mutual.

[raife]

[blockquote][blockquote]This is your interpretation, of course, but the context of the "older gent's" body language is not related in the section given. If anybody walks in on sex in a "T-Room" (including a hottie) the mood is temporarily spoiled as the motives of the interloper are momentarily unknown.[/blockquote][/blockquote] [blockquote][p]Right, if Brad Pitt had walked in naked to the locker room, I'm sure the escort would have run away just as quickly and with as much disgust. It had nothing to do with the fact that the "interloper" was "older," leading a rational person to wonder, of course: if, as you claim, the guy's "older" age had nothing to do with what happened, why was it was mentioned at all? [/p][/blockquote] [p]This is one of those meaning/semantic discussions that lawyers can bat back and forth forever without coming to consensus. Nowhere was the word "disgust" used in the passage… You are projecting your expectations, as am I. The age was a descriptive adjective. One has to paint some kind of mental image of the scene. At least he called him a "gent" where he could have used one of your favored terms such as "coot" or "fat old poof"…[/p] [blockquote][blockquote]It is your (and the Mean Girls) wont to believe that escorts are disgusted by older men, and therefore the escorting experience is a degrading one for both parties… [/blockquote][/blockquote] [blockquote][p]This is false, for multiple reasons. [/p] [p]First, not all escorts are disgusted by older men. Some escorts like older guys and others are able to find something hot about virtually anyone and concentrate only on that attribute. [/p][/blockquote] Very much granted, thank you. I'm just stating that it's not that hard to distinguish between the those that are, and those that are not, despite their acting ability. [blockquote][p]Many escorts, however, do find the guys they hang out with to be disgusting and pretend otherwise in order to manipulate them. This escort accidentally revealed that he is in this category.[/p] [/blockquote] So you maintain about this individual. You may well have other context on this escort, but in terms of this passage I don't grant it's anywhere near a clear-cut as you're trying to make it out to be. [blockquote]Second, not all guys who hire escorts are old. Therefore, to believe that many escorts, like the one who authored this passage, are disgusted by older guys is not tantamount to believing that every escort experience is degrading.[/blockquote] Certainly true but irrelevant to our discussion, I never said every either. [blockquote][p]Third, it is your view apparently - but NOT mine - that an escort experience is "degrading" for both parties if the escort does not find the client hot. I do not believe this to be true despite your attributing the belief to me.[/p] [p]If an escort has sex with a client whom he does not find to be hot, that is just a business transaction. There is nothing degrading about it. It only becomes degrading for the client when the client is so lonely, needy and lacking in self-worth that he starts pretending that the escort really finds him hot and is really into him and that it's something more than a business transaction - or when the client's primary activity in the romantic, sexual and intmiate sphere becomes hiring hookers and living in the delusion that they're almost like boyfriends.[/p] [p]I trust that you now appreciate this distinction.[/p][/blockquote] [p]I would certainly view the experience as "degrading" if I knew (or believed) the escort found me revolting and was struggling to keep from puking during our sex. That you do not, speaks to your cynicism more than anything. I have no response to this.[/p] [p]Granted in your delusional-client hypothetical, the client is degraded by his own self-deceit, the only answer there is to get real. Note that if you're trying to obliquely refer to me with this scenario, I'm not waxing poetic about "romantic relationships" with my regular guys, and I don't do sugar daddy. I have used the term [a href=http://www.josephitiel.com/virtboyfriends.htm]virtual boyfriend[/a] which certainly doesn't imply romance, just pragmatic mutual need fulfillment and respect. As pertains every other relationship known to man.[/p] Thank you for acknowledging some degree of multi-faceted complexity in the world. That's as much as I can possibly ask of you.

[Traveller]

Doug, right on the money again. It's especially hilarious that Skippy The Escort didn't even realize what he was doing. Nice catch.

 

Later.

 

PS. Now it's time for parade, pier and Crowbar.

[JT Brooklyn]

IMHO..Mutual Respect is what it should be about.."That being said"..Of course most of the "Workin Guys" like the "Attention" from Any Age Guy.. along with the "Financial Rewards"..Would they rather be "Somewhere" else? IF it paid $200 and Up an Hour Probably.. But that Apparently isn't happening for them.. Unfortunately, I think too many Mature "Age wise" Guys have a tendency to read AGE, into everything in their Lives, and definitely are very "Thin Skinned" "When and Where" the Subject is brought up.. IF they had a choice between a 29 yr Old client and a 59 yr Old client, with "MOST" Workin Guys it would be.. "Who made the Appointment First"! As The Great Tina Turner said.."What's Luv Got to do with it" LOL :+

[happyguy2]

Hi Guys!

 

I must agree totally with KY. When I spend time with an escort, I pay him because he wouldn't be there if it weren't for the money. Plain and simple. I just read another thread about some agency called Fratboys. One of us said that when he offered some twink escort the assurance of not "outing" him, and more money, he had a memorable session with him. Made sense to me!

 

My point is, so what. While they are with us, most of them do a fine job of making us feel great. What more can we ask for? Yes, I do hope that, over time, these guys will find some of my redeeming qualities and like me, 'cause I am a really nice guy, generous, etc.

 

But, as Deej reminded me in yet another thread, I am paying for their "time". What they think during that time or later, I have little control over. All I can do is be myself. Still, lots of guys speak of the way they have become friends with certain escorts.

 

Here's a final thought: I do business with lots of people. Some of them become friends. I still do business with them. Some never become friends. I still do business with them - for as long as they provide the services/products that I want/need for the right price. Why would escorts be any different? In that sense, I am not at all upset at Ben's comments (note, I have never hired him, nor do I intend to, but I do read his blog, and I find he has some real good one-liners - I do not have any interest in becoming part of the debate over him).

 

Interesting discussion.

 

hg

[JT Brooklyn]

Raife.."CRAZY MONKEY"... Brooklyn Definitely DOESN'T Think So! IMHO.. YOU are One of the "Smartest Monkeys" to Contribute..You definitely take a look at the "Whole Picture" before Contributing. IF I ever need Legal Rep, I will be Contacting you! LOL :+

[Guest Conway]

What's the matter? Has traffic dropped off on the Mental Patients Against Ben Nicholas Forum?

 

Why didn't you just title your post "My next Obsessive-Compulsive Beef with Ben Nicholas".

 

I find it far less ethical that you're trying to make some jaded post seem objective when you have displayed your hate over and over for a man that you've likely never met than I do with the conspiracy theory that you've proposed about Ben here.

 

I'm sure that you'll find all sorts of agreement with your conspiracy theory on the mental disorders forum that you and Woodlawn spend days at a time talking to each other on. So maybe you should just move it over there where there is a consensus of hate and anti-establishment behavior like yours is accepted.

 

For the record, I have never hired nor have I met Ben Nicholas. However, I grow tired of the constant attacks that he comes under from the two of you.

 

It's a waste of bandwidth.

[Doug69]

>What's the matter? Has traffic dropped off on the Mental

>Patients Against Ben Nicholas Forum?

 

Why, no - if, as appears to be the case, you're referring to EscortSpeak.com, traffic there is increasing substantially on an almost daily basis. My belief is that this is because this forum is filled with guys like you who spit out the types of hate-filled personal attacks you just spewed while simultaneously holding yourself out to be a Defender of Civility and Opponent of Personal Insult. Think about it - How much do you really think people can endure of that sort of grotesque hypocrisy?

 

My post wasn't about this particular escort and it never even mentioned him. It was about a significant dynamic in escorting which his blog entry illustrated - and apparently, many people found the subject I raised to be worth commenting upon and discussing.

 

>However, I grow tired of the constant attacks that

>he comes under from the two of you.

>

>It's a waste of bandwidth.

 

Oh, look - yet another person who contributes absolutely nothing to this forum other than complaints about what other people are contributing. What a valuable rarity.

 

If you think there are great topics worth discussing here that are more interesting than the ones I raise, why don't you raise some of them?

 

What topics you are "tired" of hearing about or not isn't exactly a topic that anyone is clamoring to hear - despite the fact that it's all you ever write about.

[Doug69]

>Raife.."CRAZY MONKEY"... Brooklyn Definitely DOESN'T Think

>So! IMHO.. YOU are One of the "Smartest Monkeys" to

>Contribute..You definitely take a look at the "Whole Picture"

>before Contributing. IF I ever need Legal Rep, I will be

>Contacting you! LOL :+

 

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[buckguy]

Yawn! Hasn't this topic been done to death already. Perhaps the moderatord should have an icon with a headstone for stuff like this.

[Guest Conway]

"My post wasn't about this particular escort."

 

On top of being a freak-assed nut case, you're a liar too. You were referring to a specific article from his blog. I imagine that the satement regarding increased traffic at mentaldisroders.com is probably untrue, too.

 

Why on earth would anyone, including me, treat an impetuous asshole like yourself with any manner of civility? You haven't earned it and you certain. on the contrary, your treatment here is completely deserved given your own history of the abuse of other posters here.

 

Treating you with civility might cause you to believe that your particpation here is somehow warranted.

[woodlawn]

>On top of being a freak-assed nut case, you're a liar too.

>You were referring to a specific article from his blog. I

>imagine that the satement regarding increased traffic at

>mentaldisroders.com is probably untrue, too.

>

>Why on earth would anyone, including me, treat an impetuous

>asshole like yourself with any manner of civility?

 

You would only treat him with civility if you had a policy of treating every poster with civility unless that poster treated you rudely. But you have repeatedly attacked posters who have said absolutely nothing to you, so it's obvious that you have no such policy of civility. The majority of your posts here are nothing more than hateful personal attacks against posters who comments you dislike, even though they have not done the same to you.

 

> your

>treatment here is completely deserved given your own history

>of the abuse of other posters here.

 

Since your record here is exactly the same as you describe in the above sentence, what sort of treatment do you deserve? You must think the readers of this board are a bunch of drooling idiots if you believe they don't notice what a hypocite you are. Of course they notice.

 

>Treating you with civility might cause you to believe that

>your particpation here is somehow warranted.

 

I can't imagine what delusion has entered your mind that makes you think it is up to you to decide which posters should participate here and which should not. If you ever recover from it, perhaps you will realize that you have no more right to make such decisions than you have to choose the next pope.

[badassbadboy]

I as an escort have believe sex starts in the mind, find something that turns you on aboyt the person and have fun.

 

As far as a mask I am who I am when I am with my client, if there was something said to me as a put down I would tell my client about it no matter how much I am being paid for my service.

 

I am like a baseball player that really likes playing even though I am being paid for my service.

 

I love older men and they really do turn me on a lot so if that older guy walked in I would hope he would join us if I were in that situation.

 

Happy Gay Pride 2005!!!

Satnd up, Stand Out, Stand Proud!!!

;-)

[Guest skrubber]

How typical of Doug. Do you also pull the wings off of flies?

[Epigonos]

I seem to have become lost somewhere in this thread. It started out innocently enough with Doug69's initial post and went along just fine for a while. Good God people must Benjamin Nicholas become the topic of every thread? And why all the hostility?

I am currently 64 years old and started hiring escorts about three years ago. I have selected all the escorts I have hired with great care and make certain to let them know my age. All in all I have hired approximately thirty escorts and have reviewed about twelve. NONE of the guys I have hired have made me feel they despised being with me because of my age. After all I gave them the chanch to say NO.

Of course escorts are with me because I am paying them and that is just fine with me because that makes our relationship free of emotional baggage. I am looking for a physical experience NOT an emotional one. Only one of these escorts has become a personal friend with whom I have spent time off the clock. Most of the other eleven have become professional friends. That is also how, in my estimation, it should be. I taught school for thirty plus years and most of my colleagues became professional friends only a few became personal friends. That's life and ain't (I know) it grand

[+ deej]

>How typical of Doug.

 

Yeah, he's the best PR Benjamin has. I wonder how much BN is paying him for driving so much traffic to his site. ;-)

[Doug69]

>I seem to have become lost somewhere in this thread. It

>started out innocently enough with Doug69's initial post and

>went along just fine for a while.

 

Indeed. There are some people here who are incapable of writing posts without resorting to vicious personal attacks. They can ruin even the most interesting and innocent theread with their personal venom. The new rules which admirably seek to prohibit these sorts of attacks don't appear to be having that effect, as this thread illustrates.

 

>Of course escorts are with me because I am paying them and

>that is just fine with me because that makes our relationship

>free of emotional baggage. I am looking for a physical

>experience NOT an emotional one.

 

Exactly. This is, in my view, precisely what is the healthy and realistic outlook on escorts and hiring escorts. Unfortunately, there are many people who hire escorts, including many who post here here, who delude themselves into believing that the escorts are with them because they have formed an emotional bond with the client and that the client has found a quasi-boyfriend or "companion" who values them and wants to be with them, and such clients use this to validate their self-worth ("Wow, this hot young guy and I have this great emotional bond and he's spending lots of time with me - he must REALLY like me; he's much more than a prostitute I hire - he and I have something special.").

 

It's sad, really. Anyone who has been around this Board for any period of time knows that almost every client who starts to forget what the escort transaction is about is setting himself up for a huge hit. Ocassionally, candid escorts (like Scott Adler) or dumb ones (like the author of the blog excerpt I posted) reveal (often unintentionally) exactly what most escorts really think of their clients, but the particular strain of clients I'm describing are so desperate not to believe it that they will deny it's true even when the escort is rubbing their face right in it.

 

It's painful to watch and is truly unhealthy.

[Doug69]

>Yeah, he's the best PR Benjamin has. I wonder how much BN is

>paying him for driving so much traffic to his site. ;-)

 

Well, if that's true, why is it that he and his followers viciously demand that any such discussions of him be banned, locked and deleted, and his business associates and friends (such as you and the managers of this site) universally comply?

 

If - as you claim - such discussions really helped him, then you would except that he, his followers and his friends would be thanking the people responsible for the discussions, rather than demanding that the discussions be suppressed and the participants punished.

 

Actions speak louder than words, deej. Didn't your seventh-grade teacher teach you anything?

[vikingguy]

>Indeed. There are some people here who are incapable of

>writing posts without resorting to vicious personal attacks.

>They can ruin even the most interesting and innocent theread

>with their personal venom. The new rules which admirably seek

>to prohibit these sorts of attacks don't appear to be having

>that effect, as this thread illustrates.

 

That's a pretty funny comment, Doug. Because your thread truly is nothing more than a vicious personal attack on someone!

[BobbyThompson]

This is so last season

 

The original post is a radical interpretation of the text purely to drum up more gossip. He called the guy "old." So what? He probably was old, in which case it was a perfectly benign adjective. I wouldn't want onlookers for my sexual rendez-vous either.

 

For people who claim to not like the "anonymous" blog author, they sure talk about him a whole lot. You guys are not only beating a dead horse, but you're shooting in the head every couple days as well. Seriously. It's boring.

 

Bobby

http://www.AllAboutBobby.com