Kevin Spacey Accused of Sexual Misconduct, Confirms Rumors He Is Gay

[Whitman]

This just in: Netflix is halting its current production of House of Cards, which began taping a week and a half ago. The powers that be want to review the Spacey situation a bit more closely ...

If production of what had already been announced as the last season of House of Cards resumes at all, you can bet now that it will resume without Spacey.

[Nvr2Thick]

[Kenny]

I think Spacey is a great actor. My guess is that he made it to the top because he has talent, not because he's a predator. Whatever you say about Hollywood, I've always thought it did a good job of finding and rewarding talent. Including for example forgiving anti-Semites like Mel Gibson if it turns out they are good at directing movies, or forgiving Clint Eastwood's failed routine at the 2012 RNC if he makes good movies. Meanwhile, there are no doubt many really nice Gay gays in Hollywood who just don't have the talent to make it. It would be a mistake to conclude that somehow being a predator gives Gays an advantage to climb to the top. The point is that once you have made it to the top, Hollywood seems like it is a place where it is perhaps easier than other places to use your pow

This is a good example of the meritocracy myth.

 

Having talent does not get you to the top in Hollywood, although it is highly unlikely you will get there without it. But to accept a line of thinking that says Hollywood generally does “a good job of finding and rewarding talent” is to uncritically believe that talent is an extremely rare, almost nonexistent trait among, say, Asian Americans.

 

Talent is essential, but it is hardly the only factor.

[+ WilliamM]

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/11/01/spac-n01.html

 

"May a word be spoken in defense of Kevin Spacey?"

 

What bull shit. Yes, we already know he's a good actor, which has nothing to do with his behavior with Anthony Rapp.

 

Please note this article was published on a Socialist website, of all places.

[Kenny]

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/11/01/spac-n01.html

 

"May a word be spoken in defense of Kevin Spacey?"

 

What bull shit. Yes, we already know he's a good actor, which has nothing to do with his behavior with Anthony Rapp.

 

Please note this article was published on a Socialist website, of all places.

What an outrageous essay! The guy practically says that we are witnessing a replay of the Red (and Pink) Scare of the McCarthyite 1950s (which may explain the column’s appearance on a socialist web site), which has now swept up a great actor.

 

“We argued when the Harvey Weinstein scandal erupted that this was not simply about Weinstein, that something else was going on, that something else was moving through this affair. Weinstein’s piggishness and wrongdoing were merely a pretext for the flourishing of all sorts of unhealthy, reactionary issues and pressures. The assault on Spacey is confirmation of that view.”

 

The real assault, apparently, was not on a 14-year-old boy. Sheesh.

[+ sniper]

It's bad enough when the media uses the term incorrectly. It's very destructive when fellow gay men fall into that trap. In the professional world of psychiatry, there's a cut-off point for prepubescence. There is absolutely no evidence that Kevin Spacey is a pedophile, and we gay men should not stand by and let the media distort that fact.

 

 

Um, again, did you see the playbill pic of Rapp? It's not at all clear he had hit puberty yet. Lots of 14-year-old haven't.

[+ WilliamM]

What an outrageous essay! The guy practically says that we are witnessing a replay of the Red (and Pink) Scare of the McCarthyite 1950s (which may explain the column’s appearance on a socialist web site), which has now swept up a great actor.

 

The article was posted on Facebook by a far-left friend who has retired to Costa Rico. I usually do not read his comments. So I was surprised that several people agreed with the author. One person called it a mere distraction from more important news.

[Kenny]

Um, again, did you see the playbill pic of Rapp? It's not at all clear he had hit puberty yet. Lots of 14-year-old haven't.

True. And the so-called “cut-off point” for prepubesence is hardly a fixed date. Pubesence usually begins around age 11 or 12 for boys, but “usually” is an important qualifying adverb. (What the law says is a different issue.)

[MikeyGMin]

Um, again, did you see the playbill pic of Rapp? It's not at all clear he had hit puberty yet. Lots of 14-year-old haven't.

Really? Lots? Based on my own locker room experience, in a high school where everyone was forced to shower after PE, it was fairly uncommon.

[+ José Soplanucas]

I wish a man like Spicey would have seduced me when I was 14. It would have been perhaps the beginning of an amazing adventure for me.

It is amazing how easily we rush to judge and point fingers, when we ourselves participate in illegal activities and are easily judged and discriminated by mainstream society.

I guess it makes you feel good to be the one pointing your finger to others. Good for you.

[marylander1940]

Many comments in this thread show very clearly why a lot of sexual assault victims (maybe most) never, ever come forward.

 

Bingo!

 

I'm just going to say some posted that out of envy because they would gladly go to bed with him.

[+ WilliamM]

I wish a man like Spicey would have seduced me when I was 14. It would have been perhaps the beginning of an amazing adventure for me.

It is amazing how easily we rush to judge and point fingers, when we ourselves participate in illegal activities and are easily judged and discriminated by mainstream society.

I guess it makes you feel good to be the one pointing your finger to others. Good for you.

 

@labear4blk, Really. When you were 14-years old? Come on, man.

[rogerG]

Um, again, did you see the playbill pic of Rapp? It's not at all clear he had hit puberty yet. Lots of 14-year-old haven't.

A Playbill pic of Rapp? Do you mean a cover advertisement for a play? How old is Rapp's character in the play? Is Rapp not playing a character when he posed for the Playbill cover? Was is not the photographer's job to capture Rapp's character looking as though he is a specific age? I haven't seen the Playbill cover, but IMO that is not the appropriate source to judge whether Rapp was pre or post puberty. Professional photography almost always has an agenda. It's very rare for a professional photograph to reveal the entire truth about an individual, especially if the photo is being used to sell something.

 

A simple quote from Psychology Today:

"Pedophilia is defined as the fantasy or act of sexual activity with children who are generally age 13 years or younger."

[rogerG]

I wish a man like Spicey would have seduced me when I was 14.

I'll take a pass on that. Never found the guy attractive at all. Bad skin. Bad hair. And from what we can see on House of Cards, his body isn't much to look at either. He has talent. I guess if you like fucking talent...

[+ Avalon]

It's bad enough when the media uses the term incorrectly. It's very destructive when fellow gay men fall into that trap. In the professional world of psychiatry, there's a cut-off point for prepubescence. There is absolutely no evidence that Kevin Spacey is a pedophile, and we gay men should not stand by and let the media distort that fact. Certain media sources love to pin being gay with being a pedophile. We need to call them on their bullshit agenda and expose the fuckers for what they really are.

 

I had posted that Spacey was a hebephile. Then someone posted that Rapp had not yet reached pubescence. That would leave pedophilia.

[+ stevenkesslar]

I think Spacey is a great actor. My guess is that he made it to the top because he has talent, not because he's a predator. Whatever you say about Hollywood, I've always thought it did a good job of finding and rewarding talent. Including for example forgiving anti-Semites like Mel Gibson if it turns out they are good at directing movies, or forgiving Clint Eastwood's failed routine at the 2012 RNC if he makes good movies. Meanwhile, there are no doubt many really nice Gay gays in Hollywood who just don't have the talent to make it. It would be a mistake to conclude that somehow being a predator gives Gays an advantage to climb to the top. The point is that once you have made it to the top, Hollywood seems like it is a place where it is perhaps easier than other places to use your power to engage in predatory behavior - whether you are Gay or Straight, male or female.

 

This is a good example of the meritocracy myth.

 

Having talent does not get you to the top in Hollywood, although it is highly unlikely you will get there without it. But to accept a line of thinking that says Hollywood generally does “a good job of finding and rewarding talent” is to uncritically believe that talent is an extremely rare, almost nonexistent trait among, say, Asian Americans.

 

Talent is essential, but it is hardly the only factor.

 

How nice! Our daily dose of White liberal supremacist bullshit.

 

Why do you have to keep quoting what I say and distorting it into something I didn't say? Is it perhaps because your goal is to just troll and insult people who don't conform to your ideas, wherever the opportunity arises?

 

You start by acknowledging and repeating my point, which is that you are highly unlikely to get to the top in Hollywood without having talent. Like Spacey, or Eastwood, or Gibson. Probably I lost you right there. How dare I say anything nice about people whose political views you don't approve of!

 

Then you distort my words beyond recognition, except perhaps in the cozy little bed you share with your handmaiden William. Now I'm a purveyor of a meritocracy myth, who is uncritical, and who argues that talent is extremely rare, or even non existent among, say, Asian Americans. Funny how I didn't actually say any of that. Although it sounds like perfectly fine White liberal supremacist bullshit to me, if that's what you are going for. We surely are all against discrimination against Asian actors, aren't we?

 

Did I mention how my friends still make fun of me because I cried like a baby watching Slumdog Millionaire?

 

 

But of course, facts or understanding an argument are never necessary for you to pile on about how people who don't agree with you are idiots, or for William to complain that people who push back when you call them racist steaming piles of shit are somehow bullying you. That's the routine, and I must say you exercise rare talent in pulling it off, daily. Although, actually, I think you missed a good opportunity to hijack a thread about Spacey and twist my words to imply that I think most Black actors are untalented, so I must be a racist. But we'll let this one slip, okay?

 

 

If there's a casting call for White liberal supremacists, I'll be sure to let you know.

 

Meanwhile, please let this thread be a discussion about Spacey's predatory behavior, and save your trolling and insults and White liberal supremacist dogma for the politics section.

 

And by the way, for the record, Hollywood needs to do a better job of finding and honoring actors who are not White, say, like Oprah Winfrey or Dev Patel or Freida Pinto. But that's a different subject, okay?

Edited November 2, 2017 by stevenkesslar

[+ WilliamM]

?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Gmail Kevin Spacey: Old Vic accused of ignoring sexual misconduct allegations

 

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2017/nov/01/old-vic-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-misconduct-by-kevin-spacey?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Gmail

 

Part of the article:

 

Spacey has been in focus since actor Anthony Rapp accused him of making drunken sexual advances when Rapp was 14. Since then, several more allegations about Spacey’s conduct have emerged in both the US and the UK.

 

A representative for Spacey released a statement on Wednesday that said the actor “is taking the time necessary to seek evaluation and treatment” and “no other information is available at this time.”

 

Cavazos said there were many young men with a “Kevin Spacey story”. He added: “It seems that it only took a male under 30 to make Mr Spacey feel free to touch us.” More common was that Spacey was in the bar at the Old Vic, “squeezing whoever caught his attention”, Cavazos said.

 

He recalled being told a similar story by many people of how Spacey invited young male actors to the Old Vic to “talk about their careers”. Cavazos continued: “When they arrived at the theatre, [spacey] had prepared a picnic with champagne on the stage, beautifully lit.”

 

Cavazos said his direct experiences with Spacey were on the edge of harassment. “Had I been a woman, I probably would not have hesitated to identify it as such, but I suppose that the lack of a more specifically direct or aggressive action led me to justify the incident as ‘one of those things’,” he said.

 

A former Old Vic employee, who asked to remain anonymous, told the Guardian he saw Spacey take advantage of a friend of his after a party in 2011.

 

He said: “We were all involved in keeping it quiet. I witnessed him groping men."

Edited November 2, 2017 by WilliamM

[+ José Soplanucas]

@labear4blk, Really. When you were 14-years old? Come on, man.

 

Yes, really. If you prefer 13, I am also fine with it.

[caliguy]

That doesn't make it right...??? what exactly are you trying to say? It's ok when it's a 14 year old boy with an older female, but it's not ok when its a 14 year old boy with a older male? I'm confused at what your point is?

Tarte likes em young.

[+ José Soplanucas]

I'll take a pass on that. Never found the guy attractive at all. Bad skin. Bad hair. And from what we can see on House of Cards, his body isn't much to look at either. He has talent. I guess if you like fucking talent...

 

Really? Do you think that is the point I was making? Good for you!

[caliguy]

?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Gmail Kevin Spacey: Old Vic accused of ignoring sexual misconduct allegations

 

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2017/nov/01/old-vic-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-misconduct-by-kevin-spacey?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Gmail

 

Part of the article:

 

Spacey has been in focus since actor Anthony Rapp accused him of making drunken sexual advances when Rapp was 14. Since then, several more allegations about Spacey’s conduct have emerged in both the US and the UK.

 

A representative for Spacey released a statement on Wednesday that said the actor “is taking the time necessary to seek evaluation and treatment” and “no other information is available at this time.”

 

Cavazos said there were many young men with a “Kevin Spacey story”. He added: “It seems that it only took a male under 30 to make Mr Spacey feel free to touch us.” More common was that Spacey was in the bar at the Old Vic, “squeezing whoever caught his attention”, Cavazos said.

 

He recalled being told a similar story by many people of how Spacey invited young male actors to the Old Vic to “talk about their careers”. Cavazos continued: “When they arrived at the theatre, [spacey] had prepared a picnic with champagne on the stage, beautifully lit.”

 

Cavazos said his direct experiences with Spacey were on the edge of harassment. “Had I been a woman, I probably would not have hesitated to identify it as such, but I suppose that the lack of a more specifically direct or aggressive action led me to justify the incident as ‘one of those things’,” he said.

 

A former Old Vic employee, who asked to remain anonymous, told the Guardian he saw Spacey take advantage of a friend of his after a party in 2011.

 

He said: “We were all involved in keeping it quiet. I witnessed him groping men."

Damn. Talk about sticking a fork in it. He's done. Good. What a ego megalomaniac.

[+ sniper]

Who is arguing that Spacey got to the top by being a predator? They're saying his being at the top enabled his predation.

[rogerG]

Really? Do you think that is the point I was making?

With all due respect, I didn't really consider what "point" you were trying to make. I was just commenting on Kevin Spacey's looks and what I might have thought of them at the age of 14, knowing how I feel about them now.

[Whitman]

I wish a man like Spicey would have seduced me when I was 14. It would have been perhaps the beginning of an amazing adventure for me.

@latbear4blk, please, just for a moment, put aside your opinion of an appropriate age of consent, and of what sex with an adult when you were a 14-year-old child might have been like for you, and consider the hundreds of stories available at your fingertips of children whose lives have been profoundly damaged by adult sexual predators.

It is amazing how easily we rush to judge and point fingers, when we ourselves participate in illegal activities and are easily judged and discriminated by mainstream society.

Are you suggesting that we should not object to non-consensual sex (or sexual harassment) between a man and a boy because we have no issue with sex between consenting adults? That's ridiculous.

[+ José Soplanucas]

@latbear4blk, please, just for a moment, put aside your opinion of an appropriate age of consent, and of what sex with an adult when you were a 14-year-old child might have been like for you, and consider the hundreds of stories available at your fingertips of children whose lives have been profoundly damaged by adult sexual predators.

 

Are you suggesting that we should not object to non-consensual sex (or sexual harassment) between a man and a boy because we have no issue with sex between consenting adults? That's ridiculous.

 

No sir. In general I dissaprove this kind of relationship. What I am saying is that I would never rush to easily judge anyone in these controversial issues. And here too many are already condemning him so easily.